Didn’t Newcastle recently have a parade for the league cup?
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They've never had a big European night. They wouldn't get it.
Yia I was thinking the same.
1) The last champions league spot should go to the FA cup winners.
2) The Europa league spot should go to the Carabao cup winners.
3) The conference league spot should go to the Championship winners as they would actually care about doing well in it.
Yeah, I for one was shocked that former Manchester United players Robbie Savage and Rio Ferdinand showed bias towards Manchester United against a team from France: who could have possibly foreseen that.
They had one for getting to the FA cup final and getting beat by us.
Newcastle fans for some reason think of United as some huge rival, even though they don’t really register on our radar with all due respect. Is it just based on stuff that happened almost 30 years ago with Keegan? Because after that there wasn’t much and before that, I don’t remember reading stuff about it.
Even back in them Keegan days, they were bankrolled by Sir John Hall and were one of the richest clubs in world football, so this supposed narrative of them being the plucky underdog going up against the evil empire is misconstrued .
Even back in them Keegan days, they were bankrolled by Sir John Hall and were one of the richest clubs in world football, so this supposed narrative of them being the plucky underdog going up against the evil empire is misconstrued .
That would be a great idea but you'd expect it to be tough on the squad with the demands of staying in the league and euro travelling.
A Newcastle fan trying to police celebrations is amazing.
They win their first trophy in fecking 50 or 60 years then think they can dole out advice.
They win their first trophy in fecking 50 or 60 years then think they can dole out advice.
What a whopper this guy is.
What an absolute whopper of a bellend. Not a chance he'd have been critical if that had been Spurs last night.
I was playing Timeguesser yesterday with my brother and one of the images we got was a picture of Newcastle's open bus parade in 1999 for getting to the FA Cup final, and of course losing
Winners of the Championship getting a conference spot will never happen, but it’s a fantastic idea, good call! Currently it makes no real difference if you finish first or second, and any fan of a lower league club will tell you that promotion via the playoffs beats finishing top two hands down. And is more financially rewarding due to a sold out Wembley for the final and an extra home game in the semis.
Not sure about the league cup winners getting a Europa spot, mainly because most other countries don’t have two national cups.
But yeah, imagine the FA cup final, last game of the season, and it’s worth £50m quid or whatever:
I'm all for FA cup winners getting a CL spot. Have been for years. Even more so now that getting top 4 is so competitive. Clubs will go all out to win it like they used to.
League Cup winners always used to get a Europa spot in the qualifiers. It's just a conference league spot now since they introduced that tournament.
SKY do have some load of attention seeking idiots working for them.
Ex Norwich who have a hatred for Ipswich being local rivals so it’s a bit of a strange one.
I had completely forgotten that the league cup winners qualified for Europe, it feels like an age ago.
With the top 5 looking likely to get in the CL every couple of years, which is frankly really fecking boring, they could easily give one of those places to the FA cup. It would be so exciting for clubs like Palace this year.
I doubt the bigger clubs would want it though, anything can happen in knockout competitions and they’ll feel like the league is a safer bet.
We could easily have 6 entrants next year, which just feels kinda… wrong?
They know exactly what they’re doing, driving clicks. It’s lowest common denominator stuff.
They do and only Talksport excel them for that.
United dominated the PL for the first two decades of it's existence and ruined many childhoods. It's not just Newcastle fans who hate us, try every single other English club's fans.
That's feck all 'engagement' to be honest
Saw that video of the 2 press guys hammering Europa league offering a CL spot, that sort of outcry makes me want us to do it about 50% more.
There will be absolutely seethe if Man United make next seasons CL after a season of being sneered at from all corners. As the kids say, i’m “here for it”.
There will be absolutely seethe if Man United make next seasons CL after a season of being sneered at from all corners. As the kids say, i’m “here for it”.
Fergie was the master at creating a siege mentality and in the process would rile up rival supporters. They're all still too stupid to see they were played like a fiddle to the great mans tune.
It's only an issue because united could benefit from it.
If we finished 5th then top 5 getting CL would suddenly be the problem.
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What utter nonsense that was, labelling it elitism. It offers the pathway for the non elite to get champions league football. Crystal Palace could win the FA Cup and get in to the Champions League season after next by winning the Europa. What a fairytale that would be but you won't hear any complaining then
Jamie Jackson on the Lyon game. Sky went with adjectives like "jaw-dropping" and "epic". Jackson went with "chaotic".
I want to see the best teams in the CL and not someone with a lucky draw in a Cup with 1-2 good games.
I would give teams who win the EFL trophy CL spots.
In the distant past, United were the superior team. But times change.
Now Wolves, West Ham, and Everton consider us rivals ….. to not being relegated
In the past decade, only Newcastle, Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Chelsea, Leicester City and Arsenal would have qualified via the cups.
Interestingly, they all also qualified via the league in that time.
I'd love the idea of a random "small" club getting one of the 5 spots.
To be fair it's a accurate description isn't it?
why choose that particular angle? Did anyone call the 82 Germany-France semi final "chaotic"? It was, but that's not the adjective you reach for unless you want to be negative.
Jonathan Liew writing another one to boil the blood here:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cts-footballs-embrace-of-fan-centric-populism
The most laughable line of which is 'no pundit ever got poor by pandering to the biggest sporting fanbase in the UK' - ignoring the fact the media has trashed us (with good cause) for the last ten years.
But generally - the idea that Savage/Rio being outwardly biased in their commentary is something new is absolutely absurd. Colour commentators and pundits have been doing this for decades.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cts-footballs-embrace-of-fan-centric-populism
The most laughable line of which is 'no pundit ever got poor by pandering to the biggest sporting fanbase in the UK' - ignoring the fact the media has trashed us (with good cause) for the last ten years.
But generally - the idea that Savage/Rio being outwardly biased in their commentary is something new is absolutely absurd. Colour commentators and pundits have been doing this for decades.
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Funny how we don't hear this sort of thing with Sky's obvious pandering to Liverpool I mean they were clearly pumping in fake crowd noise at Anfield the other week and not a peep from the media. Jamie Carragher shouting down the mic "Mo Salah, you little dancer" is definitely impartial commentary...
Also, TNT/BT have always had biased coverage towards the English teams in Europe, Liew should go back and listen to the commentary during City's CL run a few years ago or Liverpool's.
Liew's line about 'can we question sportswashing' is interesting.
If you mention it on the guardian's btl during a match report, your account will be deactivated.
If you mention it on the guardian's btl during a match report, your account will be deactivated.
Yeah it's all over the place, my reaction when finishing the piece was just 'what a load of shite'. It's worse than similar shit you see written in tabloids because it's dressed up as being intellectual, but it's equally as dumb and wilfully so.
Matt Law at it now as well. Funny how it's only an issue now despite it being in place for 10 years.
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This thread began with a condemnation of Chris Sutton's anti United waffle. Surely he is not alone, Alan Smith,Chris Waddle,the aforementioned moron Keown, et al. the list is almost endless. They still seethe with envy that their careers lived in the shadow of United's superiority. They cannot escape the fact, and their pathetic slurs dressed up as "football knowledge", only embarrasses them more, not that anything would bother them in sad envious little lives.
I can guarantee if the roles were reveresed the likes of Matt Law and others would be pontificating about how great is that Forest could have a chance at being back at the top table of European football
Matt Law at it now as well. Funny how it's only an issue now despite it being in place for 10 years.
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No doubt we could look back and see him say the same thing when Chelsea won it.