Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[The Mitcher]

Trust me I'm in no cult, Amorim has next season to be fairly judged. What time he deserves this season he should be rightly judged for under a season of transfers and a pre-season, then I'll be Amorim out if he doesn't get us performing. Amorim out now is absurd.

This point fails where you live in a world where clubs like Wolves and Everton also switched managers mid season and got an upturn in form quickly. Why should we tolerate these results and give him a chance next season? He's done nothing to warrant it.

 

[Bastian]

He hasn’t had the opportunity to bring his own players in and with a restricted budget, he’s going to have to figure this out in the summer and get it right. He has inherited a mess of a team and the club is mess too. If he can find a way to crack this, he’ll have been a worthy appointment. He’s had awful luck with injuries and this must also be factored in.

On the flip side, the squad he inherited isn’t terrible. He’s made the players we have look even worse than under ETH and that takes some doing. We didn’t even get a bounce that often happens with a new manager. Under ETH we were turd. Under RA we’re diarrhoea and we stink.

He will be here next season and I wish for him to turn it round, but I’m not sure what the future holds because I don’t think winning the EL is going to happen. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

I'd say Maguire, Bruno, Casemiro, Amad, all look a lot better under Amorim. Mazraoui and Dalot about the same, then we've obviously got the perpetually injured players in Mount, Shaw, Martinez. Garnacho is maybe the one player who has really suffered with the change of manager/tactical setup. There's also the thing of unrealistic expectations in terms of a new manager improving players. If they're young, sure. If they are already established and part of a malaise of an anti-meritocracy United of the last 13 years, while joining midseason in a disaster campaign, maybe not.

 

[stepic]

Much shitter players I’d imagine.

Ruud came in here and did the basics. This guy came in, all loudmouthed, and hasn’t so far backed it up with anything. His start has been spectacularly shite.

A proper manager improves his players mate, he should have had Leicester up to mid table

 

[Raoul]

Amorim is 100% going to be here come August. I think it's preposterous to think otherwise.

And the players we're buying this summer appear to be an investment in Amorim staying long term.

 

[SER19]

As always - he needs a summer of pre season and a window, and none of them will admit it but this season lost its meaning around february in the league and the players are playing that way. But all that said, its natural to be concerned about the lack of style. I really don't get what we're doing? I'm not a tactical expert, but have watched football for a long time and I just dont see the patterns, or intention. I see it at Bournemouth, I see it at wolves only a few months into their managers reign. Everybody could see it at Palace early under Glasner, and Villa early under Emery. Even though all of these managers needed time and their own players etc, the blueprint was pretty readable. I just dont know whats going to happen when we get the ball.

Nothing would please me more to see him do it, but he needs the summer of a lifetime if we're to even see the top half next season.

 

[Josh 76]

He hasn’t had the opportunity to bring his own players in and with a restricted budget, he’s going to have to figure this out in the summer and get it right. He has inherited a mess of a team and the club is mess too. If he can find a way to crack this, he’ll have been a worthy appointment. He’s had awful luck with injuries and this must also be factored in.

On the flip side, the squad he inherited isn’t terrible. He’s made the players we have look even worse than under ETH and that takes some doing. We didn’t even get a bounce that often happens with a new manager. Under ETH we were turd. Under RA we’re diarrhoea and we stink.

He will be here next season and I wish for him to turn it round, but I’m not sure what the future holds because I don’t think winning the EL is going to happen. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

Worse than this is relegation.

 

[Moriarty]

He will be here next season and I wish for him to turn it round, but I’m not sure what the future holds because I don’t think winning the EL is going to happen. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

Bilbao will, I think, prove too tough a nut to crack.I hope I'm wrong and that we go on to win the pot but the Basques have a good record against us in the past.

 

[erikcred]

This point fails where you live in a world where clubs like Wolves and Everton also switched managers mid season and got an upturn in form quickly. Why should we tolerate these results and give him a chance next season? He's done nothing to warrant it.

You reason your way out of it by concluding that their players are just much better than ours. Even though that was not the thinking at the beginning of the season.

 

[Leftback99]

Yet better results than anything Amorim has come up with in the league.

We beat Leicester away by the same scoreline.

 

[Maluco]

Or was it Amorim falling out with Rashford instantly, cocking it up publicly with bad comments as another reason? And asking the board to get rid without any idea of who replaces them? We could have just kept them in reserve, yet now we only have one senior striker and a kid.

How can you not see the damage the likes of Rashford has done to the club culture over the years? If we can agree on one thing it should be that!

He has the players working for the first time in a long time, and that decision was crucial to take that step.

I don’t want another manager coming in and living and dying by whether the likes of Marcus Rashford can be bothered running or not.

We are moving on from that and he should be fully backed in those decisions. The club culture needed a revamp and someone with the courage to do it.

Give him the summer and let’s see what he can do

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

A proper manager improves his players mate, he should have had Leicester up to mid table

I don’t think he’s a top manager, and Leicester were in the Championship last year, we finished 8th.

 

[Posh Red]

Amorim is 100% going to be here come August. I think it's preposterous to think otherwise.

Correct. He will be given a fair chance.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Look, I didn’t know what to expect really, but say we had results like this until Jan and then started improving… that would’ve been something.
Instead we’re getting worse with every week he coaches us and we look best when we appear to launch all tactics out of the window.

I agree with you, I’m not giving Amorim a free ride this season, we should be seeing an improving team by now in my opinion and that’s what I’m disappointed about.

 

[Fooza]

This point fails where you live in a world where clubs like Wolves and Everton also switched managers mid season and got an upturn in form quickly. Why should we tolerate these results and give him a chance next season? He's done nothing to warrant it.

Well I'm glad INEOS have a 2-3 year plan, not a half season upturn plan eh. Let's see those teams next season and where we end up, we don't know. P.S everton had a good few games at the start, and not recently. I don;t know if I care much of an upturn of form only to turn rubbish again

 

[DWelbz19]

6 wins out of 23 PL matches, btw.

Just can’t see how 3 or 4 first team XI signings will have this manager jump 10-12 positions in the league next season

 

[#07]

Once Amad had the injury and we lost Rashford/Antony, I don't know what improvement fans were expecting in attack personally. Maybe God himself could have got us scoring a lot with what we had?

Zirkzee didn't even pull trees until maybe right at the end

Easy excuse. Not picking on you but we, as fans collectively, are making a lot of excuses for him.

It's Amorim who is coaching the team to play Poundland version Pep ball. Every attack labours towards creating and overload and a cutback for a third man run. Fine in theory but too often third man run is anticipated and leads to a blocked shot and turnover.

What we see is a product of how he wants to play. It is limited by the quality we have but we can't just say it's all the players.

Amorim has shown no real willingness or ability to adapt to what he's got. It's only when we get desperate that we stop the table football stuff and just start playing with aggression and intent.

Other teams are getting more out of their squads just by using the low driven cross, in situations where we are clearly just told to recycle the ball. Amorim would have had Antonio Valencia playing turn bank Tony years before it happened if he had him when he signed.

Amorim has a way of playing and with superior talent it'd work better but...

 

[stepic]

Or was it Amorim falling out with Rashford instantly, cocking it up publicly with bad comments as another reason? And asking the board to get rid without any idea of who replaces them? We could have just kept them in reserve, yet now we only have one senior striker and a kid.

We’re trying to sell him. But yes let’s keep him in the reserves, great idea

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Well I'm glad INEOS have a 2-3 year plan, not a half season upturn plan eh.

That’s probably what Ashworth thought last Summer.

 

[Garethw]

6 wins out of 23 PL matches, btw.

Just can’t see how 3 or 4 first team XI signings will have this manager jump 10-12 positions in the league next season

That is absolutely horrendous.

 

[IWat]

Amorim is 100% going to be here come August. I think it's preposterous to think otherwise.

I've heard that said a lot but why exactly is it preposterous? I remember Juve sacking Zaccheroni at the end of the season after he came in during Jan, Bayern sacked Heynckes after 20 odd games after he came in during October. There are plenty of other examples.

 

[DJ_21]

Easy excuse. Not picking on you but we, as fans collectively, are making a lot of excuses for him.

It's Amorim who is coaching the team to play Poundland version Pep ball. Every attack labours towards creating and overload and a cutback for a third man run. Fine in theory but too often third man run is anticipated and leads to a blocked shot and turnover.

What we see is a product of how he wants to play. It is limited by the quality we have but we can't just say it's all the players.

Amorim has shown no real willingness or ability to adapt to what he's got. It's only when we get desperate that we stop the table football stuff and just start playing with aggression and intent.

Other teams are getting more out of their squads just by using the low driven cross, in situations where we are clearly just told to recycle the ball. Amorim would have had Antonio Valencia playing turn bank Tony years before it happened if he had him when he signed.

Amorim has a way of playing and with superior talent it'd work better but...

It’s also Amorim that’s best pep twice this season playing Poundland pep ball

 

[sammyhol]

I am fine with this sort of thing. You will all be back with tails between you legs next season realizing how wrong you were.

…or inventing reasons to cling on to why you still must be right. Whatever works for you.

What is it that you are seeing that makes you so confident?

If you are so big on stats, how is this one for you.

Amorim is statistically the worst coach we have had in the prem.

I wonder what reasons you are going to invent and cling on to as to why that is? I'm sure you'll find something that works for you.

 

[SER19]

Pre season will be as poorly scheduled as usual and the actual time they’ll get training will be limited. We have too much to improve on that the ‘holy grail’ of pre season will need to be serious impressive.

I share your wariness over pre season's ability to fix this mess. But in an optimistic slant:

It simply will be the longest run of uninterrupted training we've had.

The atmosphere will be different as this horror season will be over rather than a new nightmare always only 3 days away.

Some new players might freshen things up and if we sign well, the squad can get a lift from strong personalities.

Lastly, the strength and conditioning team needs to have an elite level summer. I just cannot understand how we look so weak, and so awful against any physicality. Its not all down to personnel and please anybody who thinks its just about muscle and size, just stop. Guys like Dorgu, Mazraoui, Fernandes, Garnacho, Ugarte, and yes Mainoo should all be able to be coached into being strong running players with capability to hit certain zones x amount of times per match. Kante wasn't a physical beast to look at for example. Countless players in the league aren't. Suarez and Tevez are examples of smaller guys who were relentless and strong. Almost every player we have looks unfit for competing - and maybe matches and training isn't the ideal timing to implement a programmed towards improvement. Hopefully summer fixes this a certain amount.

 

[DJ_21]

I've heard that said a lot but why exactly is it preposterous? I remember Juve sacking Zaccheroni at the end of the season after he came in during Jan, Bayern sacked Heynckes after 20 odd games after he came in during October.

Because if you’d have listened to Ratcliffes first ever interview, he said the managers aren’t the problem but the environment is.

 

[Fooza]

Easy excuse. Not picking on you but we, as fans collectively, are making a lot of excuses for him.

It's Amorim who is coaching the team to play Poundland version Pep ball. Every attack labours towards creating and overload and a cutback for a third man run. Fine in theory but too often third man run is anticipated and leads to a blocked shot and turnover.

What we see is a product of how he wants to play. It is limited by the quality we have but we can't just say it's all the players.

Amorim has shown no real willingness or ability to adapt to what he's got. It's only when we get desperate that we stop the table football stuff and just start playing with aggression and intent.

Other teams are getting more out of their squads just by using the low driven cross, in situations where we are clearly just told to recycle the ball. Amorim would have had Antonio Valencia playing turn bank Tony years before it happened if he had him when he signed.

Amorim has a way of playing and with superior talent it'd work better but...

I'm in no delusion that the way he sets up hasn't been great with the players we have, which is why I'm waiting till the summer window and not wetting the bed just yet wanting him out already.

Now, questions will be, how good will recruitment be, will he get the players to play the system that does well under him, is he a big risk to continue with if it doesn't work out and we're stuck with players only for his system, all valid questions, all questions we just have wait and hope it works under INEOS.

He could fail, he probably will. But to me even if we got in another manager it'll probably be the same ol' rubbish so I'd rather just wait a season to see how it goes for Amorim

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Honestly, a fairly simple point that so many people just seem to want to keep ignoring here is that the entire goalscoring burden of this team is falling on forward players who would by all rights be developing around forwards in their prime if the squad that he'd been thoughtfully constructed.

In the game today, we created enough chances that a more clinical forward line would have scored more than once. We created chances that were just as good as the ones Bournemouth created even before their red card. The only difference between the sides was that they were clinical enough to score their one chance. Exact same story against Wolves a week earlier, and it's a story we have seen time and time again under Amorim.

People keep acting like the season was so much better under Ten Hag but we were 13th when he left. He didn't have us on the cusp of European football; we were utterly shite when he left too. The only difference is that, unlike Amorim, Ten Hag actually bears responsibility for the squad being as badly put together as it is because he kept recommending that we buy players who weren't developed enough to handle the burden he placed on them or just weren't good enough.

Bottom line is that I absolutely refuse to call for Amorim's sacking until he's managing a squad that isn't the culmination of years upon years of some of the most crazy decision-making you will ever see in the transfer window from Richard Arnold, John Murtough, and Erik ten Hag. Cunha would represent a very promising start if we get it over the line. He is, in my view, exactly the profile of forward we should be after.

 

[GBBQ]

And he has overseen it reaching even worse lows, 1 win a month in the league is a complete disgrace. The one player he has been involved in bringing in, Dorgu, is as bad as anything we have. He doesn't deserve anything, he hasn't earnt anything other than a P45 frankly. A lot resting on the EL.

I mean it’s crazy that Amorim inherited a misfiring team languishing in mid table and wasn’t able to turn things around by bringing in a young unproven left wing back. What more does he need?!?!

 

[The-Mezzala]

We need two probably 3 players who can play in the midfield pivot. Mainoo, Mount, Bruno are all better in the final third. With Casimero looking like his best days are behind him. We are left with just Ugarte. Going to be a struggle to make this system work with the current players

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

It’s also Amorim that’s best pep twice this season playing Poundland pep ball

It’s also Amorim who’s lost nearly twice as many as he’s won. These arguments can go on all day.

 

[Lentwood]

We've conceded two shots on target in two games, we look much more organised.

Our attack is horrible, let's make no bones about it. EtH had Anthony, Rashford, Sancho, Weghorst, Martial and Amad in addition to what we have now. Amorim has had none of those, bar a few games of Amad.

 

[Remember the geese]

Or was it Amorim falling out with Rashford instantly, cocking it up publicly with bad comments as another reason? And asking the board to get rid without any idea of who replaces them? We could have just kept them in reserve, yet now we only have one senior striker and a kid.

No, it wasn't that.

 

[Remember the geese]

Prepare to be surprised then

I think it will be you who are in for a surprise.

 

[witchtrials]

Amorim is 100% going to be here come August. I think it's preposterous to think otherwise.

Ratcliffe seems to me like someone who wants results in a hurry and who believes in his own powers of good/ruthless management, and will expect the same from others.

I'm very confident that Amorim will have some kind of performance review at the end of the season. Given how poor the bottom three are, there is every chance that we will be finishing in the worst league position possible and without any clear improvement in performances to compensate. As mentioned, Ratcliffe could well feel that he's already been burned once by sitting tight and hoping for the best with Ten Hag.

I still think he will probably not be sacked, but it's not out of the question that Ratcliffe will follow an approach closer to Chelsea than to the Glazers when it comes to dispensing with failing managers.

 

[Remember the geese]

And the players we're buying this summer appear to be an investment in Amorim staying long term.

Absolutely. I'm really surprised that some are so unsure of this inevitability.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We need two probably 3 players who can play in the midfield pivot. Mainoo, Mount, Bruno are all better in the final third. With Casimero looking like his best days are behind him. We are left with just Ugarte. Going to be a struggle to make this system work with the current players

Honestly… I think the system can work but it’ll be fecking expensive, much more expensive than strengthening for a 4-3-3.

Dorgu is never gone be good enough and Dalot never dangerous enough. Amad can’t spend his career as a fecking wingback.

• So 2 absolutely top drawer wingbacks who are closer to wingers still needed.
• 1 absolutely top drawer CM.
• 1 absolutely top drawer CF who can score even when we play snore fest tactics.
• 1 absolutely top drawer number 10.

5 players and a feck tonne of money.

In a 4-3-3 I think we could probably get away with just the final 3 players.

 

[Maluco]

What is it that you are seeing that makes you so confident?

If you are so big on stats, how is this one for you.

Amorim is statistically the worst coach we have had in the prem.

I wonder what reasons you are going to invent and cling on to as to why that is? I'm sure you'll find something that works for you.

I have listed them already. Lots of things, from how well he has addressed the problem with the club culture and Rashford, to how he has the players on board, to how he has stopped the big game thrashings, to being in the EL semi finals, and you can see, even today, away to a club having a much, much better season, we were the better side!

There is still reason to believe that this will work if we start putting away our chances and have a proper time to train it. A Matheus Cunha today, and we win that game easily.

 

[Remember the geese]

I've heard that said a lot but why exactly is it preposterous? I remember Juve sacking Zaccheroni at the end of the season after he came in during Jan, Bayern sacked Heynckes after 20 odd games after he came in during October. There are plenty of other examples.

Because we, thankfully, are going to give him a fair crack of it and so we bloody well should!

 

[Raoul]

Absolutely. I'm really surprised that some are so unsure of this inevitability.

I suspect SJR and Berada are looking at this from a long term perspective. Invest in a new manager and players now, compete for more trophies with each subsequent year, build a new stadium and make the club profitable (as SJR has mentioned in various interviews).

 

[#07]

It’s also Amorim that’s best pep twice this season playing Poundland pep ball

Ole got more than a few creditable wins against Pep, when City were much stronger than they have been this season. That's as much evidence that Ole was the man as it is evidence for Amorim.

 

[Remember the geese]

I suspect SJR are looking at this from a long term perspective. Invest in a new manager and players now, compete for more trophies with each subsequent year, build a new stadium and make the club profitable (as SJR has mentioned in various interviews).

Exactly how I see it. Sacking Amorim right now, doesn't look remotely likely.