In the 10 years of destructive environments, we never once finished bottom half. Not once. If you think us finishing just above the relegation zone is down to "bad environment" then I have some sand to sell you. These players are not great. Far from that even. But they are better than 15th or wherever we are right now. Every single player is playing below what we know their best level is. But somehow the manager has no part to play in that? Even after he has managed over 30 games? I mean come on.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Nuno had 6 in 21 with Forest last season. It's possible.
Can you come round to my house and watch the games with me. You’d make me feel much better positive when I’ve just seen one of our players not be able to make a simple 10yrd pass for the umpteenth time or concede a goal from playing out from the back yet again.
No it doesn't, because all those managers do is come in, lift morale and get the team a bit more organised temporarily. Come next season, they'll likely still both be in roughly the same positions they're in now.
Amorim has a horrible squad (not his fault), a hugely inexperienced squad (not his fault) and has had loads of injuries (not his fault). He came into a team averaging a point a game for 12 months in December and is still averaging about a point a game, despite losing basically all of his senior forwards.
He's trying to completely change the system and the culture. This is not some quick fix job. Get the team defending slightly better and scrape a few wins to avoid relegation. It's short term pain, which he told us would happen, for long term gain.
I do understand watching United is very frustrating at the moment, but I genuinely don't see how any of it can be pinned on Amorim, or any conclusions can be drawn about his coaching abilities.
Also, what other teams play with 5 who are 21 or under every week? It doesn't happen, you don't see it - and you don't see it for a good reason!
Who are the wingers in a 433 if we don't sign any?
Who are the fullbacks in a 433?
Ye but ole never battered a pep Guardiola team. Amorim did with sporting.
Amad & Garna, both another year older and wiser. I’d also probably keep Antony around in that scenario.
Full backs are our actual full backs, the defensive ones we keep asking to be wingers, Maz, Dalot, Amass.
We would also need a #6
Of course the manager should be at fault. But for only 1 reason. He’s changed the system. I’m pretty sure RVN would have gotten us top 10 playing a 4-2-3-1 but let’s not forget that’s the system where ETH kept getting slaughtered week after week and even Ole got leathered a few 5 and 4-0s with that. So the system isn’t the problem… the players are… lack of quality upfront, lack of decision making. A dodgy keeper they let’s everything bounce off him into danger.
We haven’t had the best year but I’m fully aboard the Amorim train for atleast next season and just fingers crossed I suppose. If we had a striker who could regularly score goals it would be totally different here.
Or maybe just the same? You can't just hope they'll level up.
Neither has hit double figures for goals. Amad yet to give us a full season of games. Garnacho's game full of issues. We'd have to sign at least one winger.
Suicide to go into another season with just those two as 433.
And who are the fullbacks? Dorgu and Dalot? Again, just no way you go into a season happy with those two.
Not liking thus system is fair enough. Everyone has a preference. But whatever formation we play, the number of new faces needed is the same.
Nobody does, because it was the player who turned us down. Things are bad enough to warrant your tedious negativity. There's no need to make things up.
Rattled how? Does not affect any of us in any shape or form. And unlike you it seems the United fans who have interacted with us have been pretty reasonable and decent.the gooners are rattled. Nice work chaps.
My best friend is a United supporter, so I watch all of your games unless they clash with ours. I watch more United games probably than some people here. As for why I am here, I love the forum, love the CE section and love the debates. If you wish to ban opposing fans I am sure you're free to reach the admins on this website.
Which is great for Sporting but doesn't mean anything for us.
I have no doubts that Amorim can do it with the players and set up that exists at Sporting. But he's not at Sporting anymore.
I am unconvinced that what he's doing will pay off in English football. I hope I am wrong. But wouldn't be shocked if he's sacked by time the clocks change.
Only time we look like scoring is when we go all chaotic and change from the defensive tactics.
No matter it hasn‘t clicket yet, Ruben is not annoying me at all - anyone else feeling like this?
Eth when we were shit annoyed the hell out of me with his interviews, subs, way of acting.
Eth when we were shit annoyed the hell out of me with his interviews, subs, way of acting.
Maz, Dalot, Amass.
I really think there’s a chance this system alienates our two best talents in Amad and Garna.
This gets annoying quite quickly.
If you don't want Amorim as United manager, fine, but please tell us the name of the manager you want to replace him with.
Otherwise you are just moaning for the sake of it.
If you don't want Amorim as United manager, fine, but please tell us the name of the manager you want to replace him with.
Otherwise you are just moaning for the sake of it.
I would love to mate, but let’s do it next season when it actually means something. The season is a write off in some ways.But I really believe is is aware of those issues and has a plan. If he makes Cunha his first signing of the summer and has sold him on the project, I can’t help but be optimistic.
Liar liar
This has also been my position all year. Until we have a proper striker, we really don't know what the potential of this team truly is. We have only conceded 3 more goals than 3rd place Newcastle this year, and yet they have scored 26 more than us. I'm not particularly confident Delap will be the solution, but a combination of Delap and Cunha may be sufficient to move the needle next year. Even better if we land that Mastantuonto kid.
Amorim is a very likeable guy from what I’ve seen and seems to recognise the problems he’s facing, but he’s not showing he can fix them without a lot of new players.
Ten Hag played some of the most structurally, organizationally inept football that a major club has ever played. Last season up to the Arsenal home game when he finally realized that another midfielder might help in defending the chasm he was leaving was astonishingly awful, just illogical, irrational absurdity. Then despite a stay of execution after the FA Cup went back to it this year!!
It is some going to get worse results than Ten Hag given how he set up.
If a wife complains about her husband, must she first give the therapist the name of the man she’d like to replace him with?
Otherwise she’s just moaning for the sake of it right?
Didn't we win have 2-3 year plan for Ten Hag? And a 2-3 year plan for Mourinho? And for Ole? and for Louis van Gaal?
Every single time we hear that a manager needs time. They get time and they get worse.
Getting 2-3 years should be dependent on improving the team they inherit and showing steady progress. It shouldn't be dependant on blind faith
I’ll be very happy with Cunha for sure. But if he doesn’t get a new GK, CM, 2x WB and CF, he’s going to have to improve some of the existing players. That’s my concern,
But I really believe is is aware of those issues and has a plan. If he makes Cunha his first signing of the summer and has sold him on the project, I can’t help but be optimistic.
The managers that got the best out of these players, finished 2nd and won trophies also got torn to shreds for playing crap football.
I'm all for the sink or swim approach. Amorim will either be the figure that leads the entire restructure of the club to glory, or another one of it's casulties, but if he takes the rest with him, good. I ask myself what would we look like currently with Pep and could he get a tune out of these players playing his style. I seriously doubt it. And without claiming Amorim is anywhere near Pep's level, Pep would be as stubborn with his approach as Amorim is being.
Let’s not write Amorim of yet when he hasn’t even had a proper spending window. Adding Cunha to the team next season will make us much better in attack. Plus Amad will be back. The number 9 is gonna be the most important signing. We can’t afford to get that wrong
So are you saying we should be having a 4-6 month plans instead? I'm asking for a pre-season and 1 window for Amorim plan, because asking for a sacking so soon is absurd.
I think this is an excellent point; money is tight. If we're going to stick with Amorim we have to accept the cost of that is the replacement of many players. If we cut our losses, work out the cost of sacking Amorim and bringing in Frank or someone - playing a back 4, you still need players - we're still absolutely crying out for a press resistant midfielder who can work out of tight situations building up receiving from the goalkeeper under pressure - or beating one or two men in the transition before releasing our attacking players - Frenkie de Jong archetype - we then need a goalscorer - sure, Gyokeres isn't coming, but we can find one. Then I dont think you need a top drawer number 10 because Zirkzee can do it, and you can also shift Bruno further forwards - so you can get away with only 2 real signings - but they have to be BIG time players.
Give him the summer and 10 games next season, as others have said.
I like him as a person and want him to succeed but my prediction is he will be gone by October or November next season.
We can still sign the players needed. A striker, number 10, midfielder and keeper can all be used in different systems if a new coach has to come in.
I like him as a person and want him to succeed but my prediction is he will be gone by October or November next season.
We can still sign the players needed. A striker, number 10, midfielder and keeper can all be used in different systems if a new coach has to come in.
Aye, it's hard to judge a manager with only one option at CF, especially when that option is a a misfiring Rasmus.
This is true, if we had a reliable goal scoring striker we’d look a lot better and would take the heat of the defense who walk on egg shells cause they know if they concede we’re screwed.
Absolutely, the signings are so obvious and fundamental, they will serve anyone well.
Yet another game that would have been 3 points with a couple of half decent attackers.
Problem is are we going to be stuck in a cycle now of changing coaches in October/November?
But then that's Dalot left back out of position.
Or again banking on a young lad in Amass who has barely kicked a ball at pro level.
There is no way United could go into yet another season without a recognised, established, left back.
In a 433 nobody is happy going into a new season with Garna and Amad as the only wide options and Maz, Dalot and Amass as the only fullback options.
You'd need to sign one of each.
And it's hard to believe Amorim year two is going to be massively better. Most of the squad will be the same and, having lost so many games doing what he says, how are they suddenly going to start playing with confidence and belief?
Bingo. People are ignoring how much what happens next season will depend on players who are already at the club.
Which is why I bring up Ruud, he instantly understood that the best way for this team to get results was by putting Ugarte and Cas together and closing that chasm.
He’s clearly not a great manager nor a miracle worker Ruud, but sometimes a situation simply calls for the simplest solution and ETH was acting like a a fecking moron.
To come in and make it worse the ETH take some doing.
Ruud’s team v Chelsea is probably still clos to our best 11 in their best positions and was our best chance of getting as many points as possible this season.
Dalot De Ligt. Martinez. Maz
Ugarte Casemiro
Garna Bruno Rashford
Højlund
As the situation stands Amad for Rashford seems the obvious only change.
Easy, I think pretty much every manager above him in the league would do a better job at United with squad.
It’s not for us to decide who the club should appointment, but it’s plainly obvious they have chosen the wrong man. It’s blatantly clear he is way out of his depth with such a limited vision and way of playing.
If you’re desperate for a name, I’d swap for Ireola tonight given the chance - way better manager for the PL.