Squads are irrelevant to these posters. All players are equal and the league is just decided by how good the 'coaching' is.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Compare him to any other post Fergie manager and he looks equally shit. He's just that out of his depth so far
name a worse United attack post Fergie
He's also shipping more goals. Our attack is shit, but we're failing at every single part of the pitch
If you completed to read the post you would have seen my opinion of it.
Moyes took a title winning team to lowest level.
Amorim took a poor team to its worst season.
People dont want to agree. But time will vindicate us who say this coaching set-up is just a waste of time and resources.
Now Admin of the site will deduct you points.
They can even ban us, but as i preached about ETH will do so about AMORIM.
You can not be a success in EPL with 2 midfielders. YOU CAN NOT.
Add, then you have another defensive player in this back 3 nonsense. You are doomed to fail.
Admin can ban us all who sound alarm on this, but we will be here we things will unfold.
Few ago i said we will finish below 45 points. Just wait you will see. You think i am a prophet? Naah. It's just being realistic and true to what we see Amorim serving us.
We are 3 points above 17th place today. After 34 games.
We will finish on position 16 come season end. If one of Spurs or Westham win the game they play against each other next weekend, we will finish 17th. Because we have westham to play against.
But us who call this as a fraud, we are labeled opposition fans, etc.
Since when? He obviously did great at Sporting with Quenda and Maxi Araujo in those positions. Good players but they're not Cafu and Carlos.
Chelsea won the PL with Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso there. Playing wingbacks doesn't mean that the quality of the players in those positions suddenly matters more than any of your other players. It doesn't make it a different sport.
Why cant we copy how Leicester played. They won the title..
Why copy Conte Chelsea and not Leicester ?
That is as much of a strawman as claiming that Alex Ferguson's managerial ability was entirely about buying good players.
I'd give this thread a swerve mate. I need to do the same myself
I'm not surprised you think your warning was for the content of your posts and not the crap logic and subsequent terrible responses you gave to people.
He's an excellent fit as an inside 10, which is the system we play right now. He's also versatile enough that if Amorim gets sacked and we have another system change, he'll fit in fine in a number of roles. Also it's good to have a player that can play in Bruno's roles as well if need be, considering we literally don't have one.
Point being he's versatile enough to where we aren't having to make big concessions to fit him in, and he's a huge upgrade quality wise on what we have. It's a good choice of signing
All of those ratings were based on Garnacho improving/Hojlund making big strides/Rashford bouncing back etc.
Considering none of those things have happened, yeah the rating was off. But it was clearly based on a lot of projection.
Quality control
Ban us, but it wont change a fact that Amorim has sank the club to 3 points above 17 place with 4 games to go.
4 games to go Manchester United are below 40 points.
Ban us, you think that will make Amorim more clever in his coaching.
You were part of the group which supported ETH when some of us were complaining. My former account was banned because of complaining about ETH football ways.
Where is ETH today? This is a new account, see when it was opened and i have been on Redcafe for more than 13 years.
Ban this also, i will open a new one after Amorim is sacked and i will remind of this day.
Phenomenally dense. Thanks for letting us know you're a returnee as well.
Compare this squad to any other post Fergie manager and it's by far the worst.
Managers don't kick the ball in the back of the net. (he'd probably do a better job though)
It's better than last season's for starters
Particularly our attack. Easily the worst attack I've seen at United in my lifetime, and it's not even a contest. Manager isn't completely blameless for our horrible PL results, but I think it's unfair to not at least give the man a fecking striker for one. That isn't championship level.
It's not. It's McTominay, Rashford, Antony, Sancho down in attacking threat for starters. Amad has been injured.
Staggering that this needs to be explained.
Two out of those were available to Amorim, and Amad was injured last season as well.
Presuming no Europe, he's gets 80% of what he needs player wise, and the injuries aren't exceptional? Between 5th-8th. Year after top 4, year after that challenge.
Happy to put money where my mouth is as well. I invite everyone to do the same.
How do you know he trust's him and isnt going to sack him? You cant possibly know that unless you are part of his inner circle.
I remember Jim being asked about ETH (before he was sacked) and responding in a similar way
So are they in this squad or not?
They were when he started, was shit, decided to bin them off and kept being equally shit
Calls for sacking him are simply crazy (despite the fact we had an abysmal season).
People were begging for those players to be benched and sold. Amads injury is unfortunate but when he played it show cased how poorly the team were performing because every good thing we did was individual an individual amad moment
The quality of a club's squad is the most important factor that affects a club's position on the table. The manager's abilities like coaching and tactical approach are a less important factor. I think most people understand that.
But football is a sport of small margins. The difference between United and Villa's league finishes last season (8th and 4th) was 8 points. Those 8 points represent 12% of Villa's total points and 13% of United's total points. They represent 7% of the total points available last season (114). The difference between league champions and their competition is often smaller. City's last three title wins were won by 2, 5, and 1 point(s).
If you don't believe a manager can improve a team by 5-10% without making changes to the squad, well, that's fine. But if so, you should probably support a structure where the manager has little importance, like with a DoF + head coach setup. Other clubs do that.
But football is a sport of small margins. The difference between United and Villa's league finishes last season (8th and 4th) was 8 points. Those 8 points represent 12% of Villa's total points and 13% of United's total points. They represent 7% of the total points available last season (114). The difference between league champions and their competition is often smaller. City's last three title wins were won by 2, 5, and 1 point(s).
If you don't believe a manager can improve a team by 5-10% without making changes to the squad, well, that's fine. But if so, you should probably support a structure where the manager has little importance, like with a DoF + head coach setup. Other clubs do that.
So you presume no Europe because you expect us to not win the Europa League (which should be the bare minimum btw), he then gets the chance to spend £150m and is allowed to finish 8th? And we should still go ahead and trust this guy to get us top 4/title?
Bizarre line of thinking, he should be binned if we don’t win Europa - if not then he has to be top 5 next season (UCL spot).
It’s only United fans who have an obsession with giving managers 5 years or so before the expectation to challenge, every guy that walks in is treated like some sort of messiah that can’t do anything wrong and needs all the money in the world to get ‘his players in’.
The thread has turned into a complete shit show, with the same four or five posters endlessly polluting it with moaning and negativity. It’s basically unreadable, now.
Yup, had a glance over few pages and its not a pretty sight.
Consistency is key
Calls manager shite - ‘negative’
Calls players shite at every opportunity to defend this nobody manager - ‘proper fan’
These players have shown previously that they’re capable players, maybe not capable of winning the league but certainly more capable than 6 wins in 23 league games. Well they’v seem to show they’re capable in fixtures v Arsenal, City, Liverpool
Finishing 8th was a fluke compared to actual performances. The improvement required was far bigger.
For the people who want Amorim sacked now - I think to give your arguments some semblance of credibility you need to be able to answer the following two questions:
1. Which managers do you believe we can sign this summer who you think are likely to represent an improvement on him?
2. Do you believe that, under these managers, we would need to spend less money on improving the squad this summer than we will if we stick with Amorim?
I understand the arguments that what we have seen so far just isn't good enough but I feel as though the improvements we need to make to the side are essentially going to be the same whoever you bring in.
1. Which managers do you believe we can sign this summer who you think are likely to represent an improvement on him?
2. Do you believe that, under these managers, we would need to spend less money on improving the squad this summer than we will if we stick with Amorim?
I understand the arguments that what we have seen so far just isn't good enough but I feel as though the improvements we need to make to the side are essentially going to be the same whoever you bring in.
I think we will be good next season, the players know this is the style we are going with, there will be no changing to suit them.
Players coming in will be bought to play this specific style and its not as if we are getting battered weekly.
There are clear signs of improvement, its just frustrating the goals we are conceding, this will stop. Then the other side, our goals will come, we will sign players and hopefully some players we have also step up.
I actually think we will be good next season.
Players coming in will be bought to play this specific style and its not as if we are getting battered weekly.
There are clear signs of improvement, its just frustrating the goals we are conceding, this will stop. Then the other side, our goals will come, we will sign players and hopefully some players we have also step up.
I actually think we will be good next season.
I don’t think they’re crazy, at all. One could argue the mitigating circumstances and/or why he needs more time - but labelling those calls “crazy” is disingenuous at best.
Those calls can easily be explained - if not outright justified. People aren’t saying “sack him” because we lost a derby or something arbitrary like that.
I back him for now to be honest. Seems like there is no other young manager in the market yet available and we want to build something new for the long term. In fact, the team just need a complete overhaul. We need suitable players that mentally and physically fit into the tactics.
It is somewhat crazy though..
For the last 4/5 years our performances have been very inconsistent, we dont know what team will come out.. one day we will be good and then 3 days we will be complete rubbish.
At least under Amorim, there is consistency in performances, alot of tough games, we dont concede that many chances in games, although we lose alot.
However; you can see the principles and what Amorim wants to do.
I would rather this than a manager have a new manager bounce like what we have in the past, then the manager change system to cater for results, which is not a long term solution.
It’s not, and I didn’t read the rest, respectfully.
Read previous post - if needed - those calls aren’t baseless/unfounded. People are welcome to pretend otherwise though.
Ok, maybe not crazy but silly then. He needs time and he needs players. Whats the point of sacking a manager before getting him to make his team if not in full then in part.