Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

Pogue Mahone said:
Honest answer. Is anyone in the “not a legend” camp going to change their mind if his current form continues to the season end and we somehow win the Europa? Or can nothing that happens this season affect your opinion?
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Bruno won other titles before, so for me, winning EL wouldn't change much because a trophy doesn't make a season a success on its own (my personal opinion, obviously everybody can see that differently). That being said, if he captains a team, that turns up, plays well for the rest of the season and crowns that good period with good performances and results and therefor with this trophy, he would definitely move up a notch. I personally don't see that happening though, 98% because of his teammates though and not because of Bruno.
I agree with a lot of the things said in the last few days, he turned the moaning down considerable at this point and he handles the ball with way more care. For me personally, we are still a team that is too vertical but I wouldn't hold that against him at this point.
justsomebloke said:
Of course he's a club legend. He instantly turned the team from mid-table riff-raff to a top club when he arrived. We had the best record in the PL between his arrival and the end of that season. And since then he has been literally the only consistent factor in whatever quality we've managed to display. You could make a serious case for him as the best player in the PL over that span taken as a whole.
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I can see your point but in the grand scheme of things, I think only United fans would subscribe to the last point you mention. I think, he should be up there, no doubt, but in my eyes, most fans won't separate the teams success/quality/performance so much from individual success/quality/performance and therefor, I don't think many would agree.
 
Once the dust settles and we look at his time here he'll be seen as a United legend. Not only has he been our stand out player post Fergie but he clearly loves the club.
 
Is it okay to have a tier 2 legend? His accomplishments trophy wise aren't as good as others, but his dedication and contribution on the field are second to none in the last decade. If he can win a PL or a CL during his time here, then of course he's right up there all time.
 
FriedClams said:
Is it okay to have a tier 2 legend? His accomplishments trophy wise aren't as good as others, but his dedication and contribution on the field are second to none in the last decade. If he can win a PL or a CL during his time here, then of course he's right up there all time.
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No :lol:

The whole legend thing is as subjective as it gets because everybody sees it differently. For some it seems a very high tier on the good-bad spectrum, others have different conditions. If you want to see him as a legend, thats fine. If you don't, thats fine as well. If you want tiers, have them, have four or five if it makes sense to you.
 
Spoony said:
Once the dust settles and we look at his time here he'll be seen as a United legend. Not only has he been our stand out player post Fergie but he clearly loves the club.
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Orig , reluctant to call him a lej, but he really has earned it, amongst this shite. Fergie lads were carried by Fergie, mostly. Most wouldn’t have had anything like their career anywhere else. Bruno has dragged this bunch of utter entitled losers at least 6x places higher than they should be, year after year. Even Robson didn’t have it as bad.
 
If we ever get to see Bruno lifting the Premier League then he deserves a stand named after him.

I hope it happens but to be a Legend at United you need to be comparable to some truly legendary players.
 
I dunno why he’s still here honestly. He’s so much better than everyone around him and has been since he got here. The type of players that deserves multiple titles and stabs at a CL but he’s never gotten near either. He deserves legend status for sticking around throughout.
 
Isn't this only a question because he's playing in such a bad team?
 
NZT-One said:
No :lol:

The whole legend thing is as subjective as it gets because everybody sees it differently. For some it seems a very high tier on the good-bad spectrum, others have different conditions. If you want to see him as a legend, thats fine. If you don't, thats fine as well. If you want tiers, have them, have four or five if it makes sense to you.
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Im confused, friend
 
FriedClams said:
Im confused, friend
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Why mate :) No need to be confused. You asked the thread if it is ok to have a tier 2 (legend category) and I answered with the notion that it is obviously ok, you can have as many tiers as you want. The "No" was sarcasm as I thought the question suprising. No permission needed
 
If he stays for another 2-3 seasons I think he definitely leaves/retires as a legend. That's if he hasn't achieved that status already.
 
FriedClams said:
Is it okay to have a tier 2 legend? His accomplishments trophy wise aren't as good as others, but his dedication and contribution on the field are second to none in the last decade. If he can win a PL or a CL during his time here, then of course he's right up there all time.
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I don’t think trophies should count, football is a team sport.

What if someone was dropping a good performance every game but his team held him back? But he refused to leave the club and join a better team?
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
I don’t think trophies should count, football is a team sport.

What if someone was dropping a good performance every game but his team held him back? But he refused to leave the club and join a better team?
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I guess matt le tissier is a southampton legend, but southampton never really won anything.
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
I don’t think trophies should count, football is a team sport.

What if someone was dropping a good performance every game but his team held him back? But he refused to leave the club and join a better team?
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Yes of course, every club has legends yet not every club wins something.

It depends on the club though, it would be hard to make a case for Bruno (or anyone) at a top 4/5 club if they won no trophies at all. If we were, say, Palace, then the expectation is completely different but if you are at Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Pool in the last 5 years or so and have zero trophies. For example, Newcastle win their first trophy in yonks, so many of these players are likely seen as club legends but none of our League Cup winners were seen that way.

Everything is relative, if we can win the EL this year and Bruno's good form continues he'll have been a key part of 3 trophies in 3 seasons in a nicely increasing level of importance (League Cup > FA > Europa) which, given where we are as a club, for me propels him into the mix given the context. I don't see him assailing the top of the tree though, Cantona, Robbo, Keane but I think he would do if we can somehow build towards the top prizes whilst he's here. Here's to hoping we see him lift a PL or CL but it seems unlikely right now with us languishing down the bottom of the table.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Yes of course, every club has legends yet not every club wins something.

It depends on the club though, it would be hard to make a case for Bruno (or anyone) at a top 4/5 club if they won no trophies at all. If we were, say, Palace, then the expectation is completely different but if you are at Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Pool in the last 5 years or so and have zero trophies. For example, Newcastle win their first trophy in yonks, so many of these players are likely seen as club legends but none of our League Cup winners were seen that way.

Everything is relative, if we can win the EL this year and Bruno's good form continues he'll have been a key part of 3 trophies in 3 seasons in a nicely increasing level of importance (League Cup > FA > Europa) which, given where we are as a club, for me propels him into the mix given the context. I don't see him assailing the top of the tree though, Cantona, Robbo, Keane but I think he would do if we can somehow build towards the top prizes whilst he's here. Here's to hoping we see him lift a PL or CL but it seems unlikely right now with us languishing down the bottom of the table.
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I think you’ve hit it on the nail there, I agree with your point. However I’d argue United are what Arsenal used to be, just trying to qualify for the top 4.

The clubs objective are to win the league and champions league but that’s not really realistic with the squad and management we’ve had.
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
I think you’ve hit it on the nail there, I agree with your point. However I’d argue United are what Arsenal used to be, just trying to qualify for the top 4.

The clubs objective are to win the league and champions league but that’s not really realistic with the squad and management we’ve had.
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Yeah true, I remember they were always a good shout for FA cup + top four in Wenger's later years.
 
I think he will in a very similar fashion to De Gea do to similar circumstances, bright spots in some very dark times for the club
 
To answer the question in the thread title, yes. Next question?

If Robbo is a bona fide legend then surely Bruno will be
 
55 games in Europe for United, 22 goals and 23 assists. If I heard it right 18 of those goals are in knockout games.
 
top1whoisman said:
55 games in Europe for United, 22 goals and 23 assists. If I heard it right 18 of those goals are in knockout games.
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Excellent record. Shame its mostly Europa League and not UCL
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
United wouldn’t even make europa league if we didn’t have Bruno. The hate he gets from some fans is ridiculous
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Where is the hate? Someone needs to chill out. Its a shame the team was not good enough for him to be able to do it in the UCL (s hi ndhaksjdh)
 
If Bruno manages to drag us into the CL and then stars for us in us stabilising into a CL team going forward then you’ve got to look at him in that tier under our cemented club legends.

The very top tier of United legends like Edwards, Charlton, Law, Best, Robson, Giggs, Schmeichel, Cantona, Keane, Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo is so hard to break into as they did it for the club at the very highest level and to the highest heights in the clubs history.

When you think that people like Beckham, Vidic, Ferdinand, Irwin, Neville, Hughes, Taylor, Bruce, Pallister, Yorke, Cole, Solskjaer, RVN and RVP just to name a few probably aren’t actual legends of the club and are in that tier below you see just how high the bar is at United but Bruno will join that tier with how he’s going.
 
davidmichael said:
If Bruno manages to drag us into the CL and then stars for us in us stabilising into a CL team going forward then you’ve got to look at him in that tier under our cemented club legends.

The very top tier of United legends like Edwards, Charlton, Law, Best, Robson, Giggs, Schmeichel, Cantona, Keane, Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo is so hard to break into as they did it for the club at the very highest level and to the highest heights in the clubs history.

When you think that people like Beckham, Vidic, Ferdinand, Irwin, Neville, Hughes, Taylor, Bruce, Pallister, Yorke, Cole, Solskjaer, RVN and RVP just to name a few probably aren’t actual legends of the club and are in that tier below you see just how high the bar is at United but Bruno will join that tier with how he’s going.
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Ronaldo legend? Okay....
 
I’d have loved to have seen him under Fergie. He’d have absolutely adored him I think.
 
Not comparing him to Bryan Robson but there are similarities. By far our best player in difficult times. Always can rely on him to drive the team forward, fantastic goals and assists record. Comes across really well in interviews.
 
Berbasbullet said:
I’d have loved to have seen him under Fergie. He’d have absolutely adored him I think.
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The 07/08 side with Bruno in would be have been insane. Him linking with Rooney/Ronaldo/Tevez.

Bruno is comfortably our best player since Ferguson retired.
 
Bwuk said:
The 07/08 side with Bruno in would be have been insane. Him linking with Rooney/Ronaldo/Tevez.

Bruno is comfortably our best player since Ferguson retired.
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My word that would have been insane!

He’s so good, hits the numbers and just generally quality in everything he does.

I think he’s tuned down the Hollywood passes to an extent, and I think when he whips them out you just remember his passing is unbelievable.
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Not comparing him to Bryan Robson but there are similarities. By far our best player in difficult times. Always can rely on him to drive the team forward, fantastic goals and assists record. Comes across really well in interviews.
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Im with you on this. In a few years time he will be fully appreciated
 
98 goals. Getting to 100 this season and winning the Europa League would settle the argument, if there even is one at this point. He’s dragging the worst United team for sometime to champions league football and a trophy. I’m too young to have seen Bryan Robson but there seem to be some parallels.
 
Makes me upset for him that he's basically a Europa league legend rather than having moments in the latter CL stages.
 
Spoony said:
Ronaldo legend? Okay....
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3 PL’s, 1 CL, 1 Club World Cup, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cup’s as well as the first player in English football to win World Player Of The Year and one of only 6 players in English football to win Balon D’Or but because he achieved more at Real he’s not a United legend ? He was literally the driving force behind arguably our most successful ever period.
 
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