Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

No, it doesn't because I don't see any risks being taken and the performances & the results are abysmal. I think we have failed to score in half the PL games he has managed, where is the risk taking or the performances to build my hopes on?

I don't know exactly what you mean by not seeing "any risks being taken", and you seem to be suggesting a correlation between taking risk and seeing results? Sorry if I interpreted your statement wrongly.

Personally I think it's risky to force a switch to 3-4-3 in the middle of the season without having the players to play in the system. It's like performing a heart surgery while running a marathon. Ruud playing 4-2-3-1 is not risky, because he is reverting to something that our players know best and makes full use of the natural abilities of our players and leverages our greatest threat, which is our wing-play. Even ETH's system of leaving gaping holes in the middle is precisely because he wants to fully utilise our wide players. Garnacho and Amad on either side of the wings present a potent threat and the game is much easier for Nacho direct style of play if he only focuses on the byline. In contrast, he has been fully exposed when trying to play in a more central role.

In terms of "failing to score" - again I don't know if you have been watching matches, but you can see exactly where Amorim's system is breaking down. Most of our best attacking play goes through Bruno. Otherwise we lack a player to break the lines or progress the ball meaningfully to attacking areas, and Nacho has been very poor in his decision making or even dribbling. On the attacking side, much as been said about Højlund and I don't need to add to that.

Is it a surprise that we look much better whenever Amad is playing? Because we have an additional outlet for attack transitions whenever he's playing, in addition to Bruno.
 
Ole's counterattacking football was not sustainable. This is why he did not win anything. Every time he got a well drilled team that sat deep, he looked like out of his depth, maybe partly because of the profile of players he had.

Amorim is looking to assemble a team that can dominate the opponents. This is not something that this group of players have done in 3 consecutive matches in the past 5 years even once.

It not easy to coach players that are on the way out or are limited, tactically or physically. Lindelof, Eriksen, Heaton, Evans are about to check out. Add to that the unavailability through injuries to Mount, Shaw, Martinez and the physical limitations to certain players. You can't make Maguire faster, Hojlund better striker or Onana a better keeper. Rashford did not want to accept to train the way he was asked to.

I don't want to be making excuses, he needs coachable players with some quality that he can work with, i.e Zirkzee.

How many new players do you think we need and over what time period will it take to get them?

And....what are we willing to sacrifice in terms of league positions to get to that stage?
 
I find it very hard to assess him because I just refuse to believe he's this clueless, I don't think there are many managers capable of doing a worse job in the league than what he's done since he arrived here, and to be fair it took a miracle for us to beat Lyon in a game which we should have comfortably cruised to victory in. We were minutes away from being embarrassed in CL to nearly the same extent we are being embarrassed in the league week in week out.

He'll start next season for sure but if we continue on this trajectory of less than a point per game, he will be gone by Christmas too. I find it hard to envision us hitting the ground running next year though, we've basically had almost no good performances in the league under him.
 
We brought him in to play this formation. The previous set up wasn't working either and we were playing some atrocious football.

I just don't get this fanbase. Every week we talk about how error prone our squad is and now we believe that they are good enough for the top 8.

How many of our players get into Newcastle's, Chelsea's, Brighton's...squads. very few if any.

The previous set-up wasn't working but it was more the tactics than the formation or the players that were at fault. Despite the injuries and the nonsensical football we still had enough quality to finish 8th.

The way I see it is these players have spent the last 2 seasons being set up to fail. 18 months of Ten Hag batshit no midfield ball or structure football. And now 6 months of trying to adapt to Amorim's formation/system mid-season which most are not accustomed or suited to. Add in a shit load of injuries and rock bottom confidence for over a year now and this is what you get. Many of these players are playing well below their potential individually. And as a collective they are playing well below the sum of their parts.

Hopefully a summer break, and pre-season and a transfer window can remedy most of this. If things go well with a few key signings I see no reason this team shouldn't be looking to finish top 6-8 next season. Forest finished 17th last year, Brentford 16th.
 
I find it very hard to assess him because I just refuse to believe he's this clueless, I don't think there are many managers capable of doing a worse job in the league than what he's done since he arrived here, and to be fair it took a miracle for us to beat Lyon in a game which we should have comfortably cruised to victory in. We were minutes away from being embarrassed in CL to nearly the same extent we are being embarrassed in the league week in week out.

He'll start next season for sure but if we continue on this trajectory of less than a point per game, he will be gone by Christmas too. I find it hard to envision us hitting the ground running next year though, we've basically had almost no good performances in the league under him.

I don't think it needs any deep assessment. The premier league is littered with countless managers who have had better reputations and success than Amorim and have come here and looked clueless. He wouldn't be the first. The premier league is the toughest league from the quality of the players to the quality of the manager. Yes, our players are not perfect however, Amorim has been outcoached by almost every manager he has come up against in the league.

Any other respectable club would have sacked him by now. Yet, we continue with this faux noble sense of backing a manager which has left us struggling for 10 years.

He is being outcoached, he isn't improving players, he plays negative football and has a record that is so embaressing that it should honestly have United fans seething. So far he has shown nothing in both the way he manages and his defensive tactical style that he is a Manchester United manager. Just get rid, take the hit, admit it was a stupid move to make and get someone else in.
 
You can tell that Brentford was targeting Amass and Fredrickson, and they scored 3 goals from the positions them two were supposed to cover. Amass lost the header for the Shaw own goal, I know Fredrickson lost the ball for Shade's goal, and there were couple of other occasions where he looked out of place. Context goes a long way in some instances, as they were bullied due to their age and inexperience.

Same with the coach. Give these players to Pep, and he will cut his head off, not just scratch it.

Absolutely. That's why I don't have any complaints. We needed to rest players and it is good that we did.
 
Even if it’s neutral how has that helped the situation? What is the point of being in the Champions League if you cannot win it. We will get 8 games where we likely get embarrassed. It might help the transfer budget or do we go after silly signings again and put them on wages we can only afford with Champions League qualification, which is very unlikely given league form over 18 months? Too much is being put on the Europa League win in my opinion.

I think being out of Europe all together will help the club reset. We can have proper breaks between games and focus on the league. We should have been doing that anyway.

Amorim has spoken on the importance of winning this competition literally right after the result yesterday. It comes with financial incentives as well as commercial revenue given clauses with brand partnerships. The club can attract better players which is fundamental for an underperforming manager to rebuild the squad with.

The teams form in Europe has been good this season because the tempo / physicality is nonchalant compared to the domestic campaign. United have been absolutely woeful in the league and somehow many have deducted that just playing exclusively in that environment next season is a good for the team and manager?

Additionally, players will leave despite the 25% increase in wages for European qualification because it's a world cup year.
They can't afford to just sit on the bench and have a peripheral role in the team.
 
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The previous set-up wasn't working but it was more the tactics than the formation or the players that were at fault. Despite the injuries and the nonsensical football we still had enough quality to finish 8th.

The way I see it is these players have spent the last 2 seasons being set up to fail. 18 months of Ten Hag batshit no midfield ball or structure football. And now 6 months of trying to adapt to Amorim's formation/system mid-season which most are not accustomed or suited to. Add in a shit load of injuries and rock bottom confidence for over a year now and this is what you get. Many of these players are playing well below their potential individually. And as a collective they are playing well below the sum of their parts.

Hopefully a summer break, and pre-season and a transfer window can remedy most of this. If things go well with a few key signings I see no reason this team shouldn't be looking to finish top 6-8 next season. Forest finished 17th last year, Brentford 16th.

100% this and I’d go a step further, if we get 4 good signings we should be fighting for top 4.
 
If Amorim buys Cunha what is the plan for Bruno? If Bruno plays no 10, then we will have Amad, Zirkzee, Mainoo, Mount and Garnacho on the bench unless we sell some players. And Amad is poor at defending as WB as witnessed yesterday.

Bruno in CM makes more sense and it's an area where we are very weak and lack creativity.
 
No he can't. No one forced him to do anything. He could have said no. He accepted the job so that is no longer valid.
And miss out the chance of managing the biggest club in the world. Ye get a grip mate. If it’s now or never then he’s going to choose now isn’t he.
 
If Amorim buys Cunha what is the plan for Bruno? If Bruno plays no 10, then we will have Amad, Zirkzee, Mainoo, Mount and Garnacho on the bench unless we sell some players. And Amad is poor at defending as WB as witnessed yesterday.

Bruno in CM makes more sense and it's an area where we are very weak and lack creativity.
I think you’re right, I think Bruno next season might be a fill time central midfielder for us.

Personally not sure he’s the long term solution in that position, but not sure what the alternative really is.
 
Wory for me is that there is no wing-back in the world cabable of reguralry driving at full back, beat them with skill and put a cross/cutback in or shoot themselves and score.

You need to perfect this system for WBs to get on the ball already behind oppo fulbacks. Mainly by switches of play, long diagonals etc. Like we have seen a good few times with Dorgu and Dalot already. If not an option then a wing back is still usefull just as a simple outlet, seldom tightly marked by a FB/winger. Thats where you need quality combination central players to work the ball through the middle.

But your narrow 10´s are not that. My opinion is that even a Salah would struggle in that role, regardless of standard of his team mates. Just look what has emerged recently: almost the only way for a 10 to actually get on the ball and affect play is to run from a centre-ish position behind oppo FB, away from goal instead towards it, with big centre back breathing down their neck ready to pounce: closer to a side-line, harder for a Garnacho to at least control that punt and recycle possesion. Thats not a move you drill on a training ground. Its just a consequence of the shape and system not working.

Finally I will repeat myself again - a "simple" switch to 3-5-2 would help alot (for Amorim to save face infront of idiotic English media as well). Keep your 3 centre-backs and wingacks. Just put a single dedicated sitter above 3CBs. Two proper, more attacking minded midfielders higher, covering each side, esp. in transitions when the ball is lost and wingback(s) have been caught too high unable to help in defensive transition.

For the two central strikers, it could be anything in specific games: Cunha-Delap playing off each other, big man/small man (Amad) combo playing on the counter in big tough away games, even Bruno in a free role behind lone striker feeding off knock-downs or quick one-two exchanges. Just cant see the current Rubéns shape ever work for a prolonged period but Ive been wrong so many times that Amorim will sort it sooner rather than later.
 
We're abysmal. Playing out from the back is like a tightrope walk, then our press at the other end is just painful, teams playing out with such ease. We're so passive, have no aggression or willing to get a loose ball, we get beaten to almost everything. We don't create much and look vulnerable every time the ball is near our box. We seem to leave gaps 'between the lines' in every part of the pitch. Every team in the league looks better than they usually do when they play us.

I can't think of a single positive regarding us as a premier league team.
True, but was same under other magers too
 
How many new players do you think we need and over what time period will it take to get them?

And....what are we willing to sacrifice in terms of league positions to get to that stage?

It sounds like a pipe dream because it heavily depends on sales of some hard-to-sell players, but I hope we can get 5 new players this summer—at least 3 that are PL ready-made and 2 that you can bed in during the season. If backed properly, a top 4 is a must, even though that will be a challenge by itself, as there are few better assembled squads than United already.

We need physically dominant players who have technical ability as well. We rarely can match the PL opposition in its physicality, and often get bullied.
 
We are on course towards getting lesser points than the season we actually got relegated. This team made of many players that just won FA cup beating city. His greatest accomplishment is convincing everyone this internationals are relegation candidate players. They are playing in outdated formation that highlights their weakness and shunt natural flow of play. Insisting on 7 defensive player irrespective of opposition home and away is not clever management. You give him the summer we will lose good young players like mainoo and garnacho only for him to bring a dorgu and then what? He is not the guy that will get us top half finish. Nevermind top 6.

Has Amorim ever said himself that individual players are crap? That is a thought that grew in these threads.
People assumed that he doesn't like Casemiro, but he himself has said now how he likes him. People assuming that he wants to sell Garnacho, but he said he doesn't want and is playing him.
 
It sounds like a pipe dream because it heavily depends on sales of some hard-to-sell players, but I hope we can get 5 new players this summer—at least 3 that are PL ready-made and 2 that you can bed in during the season. If backed properly, a top 4 is a must, even though that will be a challenge by itself, as there are few better assembled squads than United already.

We need physically dominant players who have technical ability as well. We rarely can match the PL opposition in its physicality, and often get bullied.
I believe the Amorim backers will be satisfied with a top 10 finish let alone top 4. However, we’ll have to do better than 6 wins in 24 games if we want to reach those lofty heights.
 
True, but was same under other magers too

It was, and obviously if we include their spells towards the end. But 6 months in under other managers was not remotely this bad - in fact I dont think in my lifetime weve ever had such poor results against every team above us. 1 win in 16 if we removed Ipswich, Southampton and Leicester.

Again, Im not writing Amorim off, and every season has different circumstances and challenges, but there is no way I thought we'd be this poor by May. I thought the blueprint of next season would be well established and very clear, but honestly I cant see it.
 
I don't think that's unreasonable. Villa and Newcastle have shown that it doesn't take more than much more than a summer to turn a club into top 4.
The difference is that they have managers who are proven in the PL. There is nothing to suggest that Amorim can adapt, in fact he’s been brutally exposed.
 
It’s been a catastrophically bad league campaign
Even if we win the Europa league we can’t ignore that

The kids gloves will come off the fan base in regards to Amorim next season
Summer transfer window and pre-season will mean we expect a major improvement in league results

To be honest I’m kinda over the whole results are bad so sack the manager attitude
The major problem isn’t the manager, it’s the squad we’ve assembled
It’s just not good enough

Look at Liverpool, lose Klopp and bring in some random bald Dutch manager and they keep their standards up and win the league
It’s not because Slot’s some master tactician and great manager, he’s a good coach who’s inherited an extremely good well balanced squad and been smart enough not to change too much

Depends on what happens in the window. I say that but even if it's a poor window expectations will still sky rocket.

If we don't get forwards who can score and create, we can't expect much change. Managers can't instill that into players.

It has to be quality recruitment or young players levelling up. If those two things don't happen the manager will get sacked. Then the next guy will get sacked.
 
I’ll be more critical of Amorim next season once he’s had a full pre-season and a summer transfer window to do things, and especially since he’s seen first hand this season what needs doing. That’s not all just him though as Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell will all be involved in the first team reconstruction. He’s inherited an awful frontline and a team that lacks physicality and athleticism, which was built by ETH and Murtough.

I’ve accepted long ago that him coming in when he did was basically us writing off the season, and see how far you can go in cup competitions.

In worst case scenario we somehow blow this 3-0 lead on Thursday, then of course that’s pretty horrific but I don’t think it’ll happen. Under ETH it’s a possibility as seen with Coventry. Under Amorim not so much.

Sacking him for not winning the final would be ridiculous if we faced Spurs. It may be a cause for concern if it was Bodo/Glimt though.
 
The difference is that they have managers who are proven in the PL. There is nothing to suggest that Amorim can adapt, in fact he’s been brutally exposed.

Emery had proven nothing in the PL when he took over at Villa. He was a good Europa league manager who was sacked early on when he last tried to manage a PL team. Or, as you might say, “brutally exposed”.
 
If Amorim buys Cunha what is the plan for Bruno? If Bruno plays no 10, then we will have Amad, Zirkzee, Mainoo, Mount and Garnacho on the bench unless we sell some players. And Amad is poor at defending as WB as witnessed yesterday.

Bruno in CM makes more sense and it's an area where we are very weak and lack creativity.
Bruno/Ugarte is a decently balanced CM but their workload is pretty extreme in this setup. Put more expansive passers behind them in the CBs and two much more dangerous/mobile 10s (Cunha/Amad) even without changing striker and immediately the team is much better offensively.

The question really is why we are pursuing 343 in my opinion still, it seems plainly obvious every PL team knows it inside out and knows how to exploit it so do you just keep buying better and better players to raise the overall level or do we become a bit more tactically flexible?
 
A return of only 6 wins from 24 games and no real improvement is simply not good enough to justify keeping him for next season and allowing him to dpend big money in the summer, I think INEOS have some big decisions to make this summer.
 
There could be a real problem that we are caught in an another written-off league season if we don't start next season well. Needed to see better from his spell this season.
 
I'm happy to see him start the new season but at some point soon, he's gotta figure out the Premier League.

Can't just be a European specialist.
 
Has Amorim ever said himself that individual players are crap? That is a thought that grew in these threads.
People assumed that he doesn't like Casemiro, but he himself has said now how he likes him. People assuming that he wants to sell Garnacho, but he said he doesn't want and is playing him.

He said, and I quote, This is the worst Manchester United team in the history.
 
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion- I don’t understand how any manager should be guaranteed their job despite terrible on the job performance for >6 months, even if they came mid season…Especially in a multi-billion dollar football club. No other top club, or non-football corporation for that matter, tolerates mediocrity like we do.

If he stays into next season there is >80% chance he is sacked before December, and it’ll be yet another season to write off.
The reason I don't believe it's fair to judge Amorim this season is that we haven't given him any chance of being successful.

1) Amorim told us he didn't want to join mid-season because his style would take time on the training pitch to implement and it would be impossible to do that playing two games a week, every week. Other managers have all said working on things in training mid-season is virtually impossible given the current schedule, it's not something Amorim has made up, and he said it from the outset i.e. it's not aftertiming.

2) The club allowed Rashford and Anthony to leave on loan in January. We all agreed with these decisions at the time. Had you done a poll, I believe 90%+ would have backed these decisions. However, we also all knew this would leave us extremely short in attack. We can debate how good (or not) Anthony and Rashford are, but both are experienced international footballers, around their peak in terms of age / experience and are doing well for other clubs in top European leagues. We would absolutely 100% have done better had we kept them - but what would that have done for the long term vision of the club? The consensus was they needed to go for various reasons (salaries, shop window, squad morale etc...), and so we took a decision that would harm us short term for long term gain. Unfair to do that then judge Amorim before he gets to realise at least part of the "gain".

3) After letting Anthony and Rashford leave, Amad and Mainoo got injured. Add the Mount and Zirkee injuries and we have basically had a choice of Hojlund, Hojlund, Hojlund...or a 17 year old at CF. Consider then the only other attacker we have regularly had at our disposal is 20 year old Alejandro Garnacho, and is it any wonder at all that we can't score goals? Is it fair to blame that on the manager, his system or his coaching abilities? Or do we just acknowledge that he's desperately short of quality and experience in attack and give him a fair crack of the whip with a couple of proper forwards?

4) Amorim did not build this squad. We can go around and around talking about how good these players are (or not) and how good (or not) EtH was as a coach / tactician but the fact remains - this squad is horribly, horribly equipped to play modern, attacking football in the Premier League. Most clubs realised some time ago that technical ability now comes secondary to athletic ability in most scenarios. Our squad badly lacks pace, height, power, aggression and dynamism. This completely nullifies anything Amorim might want to do tactically with the squad. You can talk all you like about systems, but the only systems this squad would really excel in are low-block counter-attacking systems. If you want to argue we should go down that route then fine, but I don't believe it's the correct approach long term personally.

5) The age profile of our squad is badly off. Again, can go around the houses debating the relative qualities of our squad members, but the fact remains we have a ridiculously young side. What other side in a top European league fields 5 or 6 u21s on a regular basis? Not subs them on when winning, not sticks a young player or two at full back - genuine teenagers starting in key positions like CB, CM and CF all over the pitch. That approach is completely incompatible with expecting any kind of run of decent results at all.

6) The club desperately needed reinforcements in January but decided to wait until Summer when prices are more reasonable and to buy time to do our due-diligence. Again, we all agreed with this strategy at the time. It would be massively unfair to say to Amorim "hang tight until Summer, we will go into the market then", knowing we are short - and then judge him on the period in the interim when his options are sparse.

TL:DR - our squad has completely the wrong profile to be successful in the PL (in terms of age and physical attributes) and this is not on Amorim. Decisions were taken knowing we would experience short term pain with the hope of long term gain. Also not on Amorim, and essentially knowingly handicapping him.

Now, on a side-note, you ask a question about whether we can or should judge him? Well the answer to that is, of course. I am judging and assessing him all the time. How he speaks and what he says. His in-game management. His squad selection. His interviews and handling of the press. His man-management. His coaching ability, insofar as can I see changes in our style or improvements in our shape. The general morale and attitude of the group. His understanding of what he has and what he does not have. How we do in games versus "big" opponents.

In all of the above, I have been very happy and encouraged by what I have seen, and therefore am totally and completely happy to allow him input on Summer transfers and to show us what he can do next season.

What I will not judge him on is the results, barring the type of catastrophic results, I mentioned as being so unlikely as not worth considering (i.e. losing every single game). For reasons I highlighted above 1-6.
 
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Emery had proven nothing in the PL when he took over at Villa. He was a good Europa league manager who was sacked early on when he last tried to manage a PL team. Or, as you might say, “brutally exposed”.
He was 15th with Arsenal?
 
I don't think it needs any deep assessment. The premier league is littered with countless managers who have had better reputations and success than Amorim and have come here and looked clueless. He wouldn't be the first. The premier league is the toughest league from the quality of the players to the quality of the manager. Yes, our players are not perfect however, Amorim has been outcoached by almost every manager he has come up against in the league.

Any other respectable club would have sacked him by now. Yet, we continue with this faux noble sense of backing a manager which has left us struggling for 10 years.

He is being outcoached, he isn't improving players, he plays negative football and has a record that is so embaressing that it should honestly have United fans seething. So far he has shown nothing in both the way he manages and his defensive tactical style that he is a Manchester United manager. Just get rid, take the hit, admit it was a stupid move to make and get someone else in.
It will take an unprecedented turnaround for him to get us to a level we should aspire to be at but I think it's fair to at least give him the Summer and a couple of months to start the season to see whether he's able to build something. The answer is most likely a no.
 
INEOS definitely have a big decision to make. I know there's people on this forum who seem to slate people being critical of Amorim - but league form has been woeful. It's what got Erik and Ole sacked. He has brought a completely different playing style to Manchester United. We have few players who actually seem perfectly suited to it - so big moves will need to be made. If we back him, we're committing to potentially sticking with the 3-4-3 (or any ilk/deviation of it) following it.

I like him, and from Europa League form alone - he deserves to stay on. League perspective, he's lucky he's not been sacked already. If he wasn't an "exciting future manager" then people would have called for his head a long-time ago.

I liked Ralf Rangnik a lot, and was looking forward to seeing him stick around as DoF after the season ended - but the forum seemed to turn on him drastically on this forum even though he was simply a caretaker manager.

Saving grace for Amorim is that his set up is so totally different to the squad's attributes. If he took on a 4-3-3 formation, I feel he'd have been sacked at end of season if no Europa win. His excuse is that the squad is just not suitable for him.

As frustrating our results have been, I hope he stays next season (as long as he doesn't make any awful decision making in the potential Europa League final) - he deserves a summer to rebuild. INEOS have to back him though, because if we give him one or two players, then this season will just be a repeat and we're simply kicking a can down the road and will end up sacking him when we're bottom half of the table by Christmas.
 
I’ll be more critical of Amorim next season once he’s had a full pre-season and a summer transfer window to do things, and especially since he’s seen first hand this season what needs doing. That’s not all just him though as Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell will all be involved in the first team reconstruction. He’s inherited an awful frontline and a team that lacks physicality and athleticism, which was built by ETH and Murtough.

I’ve accepted long ago that him coming in when he did was basically us writing off the season, and see how far you can go in cup competitions.

In worst case scenario we somehow blow this 3-0 lead on Thursday, then of course that’s pretty horrific but I don’t think it’ll happen. Under ETH it’s a possibility as seen with Coventry. Under Amorim not so much.

Sacking him for not winning the final would be ridiculous if we faced Spurs. It may be a cause for concern if it was Bodo/Glimt though.

Most likely the thinking, also the reason Ten Hag was allowed to carry on last season. But that's 2 seasons in a row we've written off now. I've said it before, I don't think Amorim will be getting much patience from the club (or most fans) next season. He'll need to have this team flying out of the blocks or he'll be in trouble by October. And I don't think that's being unreasonable either, obviously CL qualification will affect out summer window massively and our expectations going into next season. But either way there needs to be vast improvement upon what we've seen.
 
Most likely the thinking, also the reason Ten Hag was allowed to carry on last season. But that's 2 seasons in a row we've written off now. I've said it before, I don't think Amorim will be getting much patience from the club (or most fans) next season. He'll need to have this team flying out of the blocks or he'll be in trouble by October. And I don't think that's being unreasonable either, obviously CL qualification will affect out summer window massively and our expectations going into next season. But either way there needs to be vast improvement upon what we've seen.

He absolutely doesn’t deserve it. He has shown nothing worth investing in.
 
You do realise Amorim took over a team in 14th place, half way through the season?

Emery was sacked by Arsenal after a season and a half, in which he won nothing and the team got worse.

Only a few points off the top four though. Think it was maybe 5 or 6 but would have to double check.
 
Only a few points off the top four though. Think it was maybe 5 or 6 but would have to double check.
I cannot believe people are still bringing up the ‘x amount of points off top four’ argument. It’s so daft and it’s been explained so many times.
 
You do realise Amorim took over a team in 14th place, half way through the season?

Emery was sacked by Arsenal after a season and a half, in which he won nothing and the team got worse.
Emery followed Wenger and still had a 55% win rate. Amorim has won nothing and we’ve won 6 in 24. As I’ve said in another thread, you and others have been beaten into submission with mediocrity and it’s the new norm.