What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

We should sign Olivier Boscagli. He's been a standout CB in Eredivisie and out of contract this summer. Not the tallest with 1.81, but a good, ball playing LCB. Would be ideal to play there until Martinez returns.
No thanks, I've got enough PTSD from that league
 
Two CMs
A Striker
Two wide players
A Right Wing Back
New Keeper
Probably a Centre back

no chance we get this, but this is the only way we can give Amorim a fighting chance to make the system work.
 
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Two CMs
A Striker
Two wide players
A Right Wing Back
New Keeper
Probably a Centre back

no chance we get this, but this is the only way we can give Amorim a fighting chance to make the system work.
So if you had to pick 4 at an absolute push 5 of them?
 
I'm still surprised the consensus seems to be we'd need a RWB more than a LWB.

In terms of senior players who are fit and available enough to count - we have 3 options at RWB in Dalot, Amad and Maz. And effectively one option at LWB in Dorgu.
 
A versatile, hard working and intelligent midfielder with high quality technique, close control, passing, vision, pressing and a positive attitude.
Let’s just sign Mikkel Damsgaard.
 
I'm telling you guys, let's get Hugo Larsson before any other top club (linked to City) snaps him up. He's even better than Wharton and will be the next big CM star.
Probably would cost around 55m but he'd be worth it.
 
Two CMs
A Striker
Two wide players
A Right Wing Back
New Keeper
Probably a Centre back

no chance we get this, but this is the only way we can give Amorim a fighting chance to make the system work.
Keeper - Joan Garcia
Striker - Delap/Gyokeres
CM - Ederson
10 - Cunha

Garcia
Maz De Ligt Yoro
Amad Bruno Ederson Dorgu
Mainoo Cunha
Gyokeres​
 
I'm telling you guys, let's get Hugo Larsson before any other top club (linked to City) snaps him up. He's even better than Wharton and will be the next big CM star.
Probably would cost around 55m but he'd be worth it.
I've heard loads about him but have never managed to properly watch him. Statistically he doesn't jump out as standout player, however, I'm all for looking beyond the stats.

What makes him better than Wharton?
 
Keeper - Joan Garcia
Striker - Delap/Gyokeres
CM - Ederson
10 - Cunha

Garcia
Maz De Ligt Yoro
Amad Bruno Ederson Dorgu
Mainoo Cunha
Gyokeres​

Some good choices. My wish list similar. I am 50/50 on Ederson. Would prefer Wharton but apparently palace want £80 million. Garcia I don’t know a lot about. But Spain do produce great goalkeepers.
 
So if you had to pick 4 at an absolute push 5 of them?
in order of preference

Striker
10
CDM
Keeper

Unless we can get can get a Gyokeres or Osimhen . I wouldn’t be against signing two wide forwards with premier league experience. EG Cunha and Mbuemo. Might take a bit of pressure of Hojlund and Zirkzee and gamble on giving Obi more minutes.
 
Bit tough in some areas as we have a weird squad that I can't see many who are here now leaving, but also any add puts some players into weird squad roles that they won't play close to what they want.

Take Zirkzee for instance. I'd say he developed a decent role for himself this season before his injury, and he definitely won't be leaving in the summer, but it's hard to envision what role he plays next season once we sign Cunha and a CF. Is he just one of the 4 #10's alongside Cunha, Garnacho and Amad and that's that? Does he play backup to either Cunha or the #9 and we get rid of Hojlund? Where does that leave Mount in the group, as again, can't see him leaving but also... Hard to count on him being fit. Mainoo is another one. Do we just see him as one of the 4 CM's, basically backing up Bruno alongside Ugarte and Casemiro, and basically taking that as our midfield group?

I'd say we should go something like this for this summer, concentrating the funds into just the #9, Cunha and a new goalkeeper, while the rest is honestly fine for now. As always if you have a solid balance with 2 players per position and a realistic split of minutes relative to their level/expectations, you're doing fine so I think that's what we should aim for.

Goalies
New starter, Altay backup

Doubt it happens, but I'd love a reliable goalie and if we only sign a CF and a #10, then the budget should be there.

Defence
Outside CB's: Mazraoui, Yoro, Martinez, Shaw, heaven, Fredricson
Central CB: De Ligt, Maguire

Hopefully de ligt doesn't have anything big, as we can manage without doing anything here. Lindelof and Evans will leave, the rest is fine. If all are fit it's a bit bloated, but that never happens for them. Maybe something to revisit in summer 2026 though once Licha's fitness and return level is more clear.

Wing Backs
Dalot, Dorgu, Amass while Mazraoui, Shaw and Amad are capable of playing there.

Bit light for sure, but can also manage. Amass is young and will get backup minutes which is fine for him. Dorgu and Dalot will be the main 2 and if one gets injured, we do have players who can cover short term. If there's a really good option then go for it, otherwise probably not a big deal to leave it as is.

Midfield
Bruno, Mainoo, Ugarte and Casemiro as the main 4 with Collyer being a 5th choice.

Again, don't see us doing much here now that Casemiro and Amorim found a solution for each other. Bruno a more permanent fixture here makes it look much better depth wise once the #10's are addressed. Should be good enough cover for whatever normal situation while Collyer can get the odd appearance in dead rubbers.

Attacking mids
Cunha the new signing, Garnacho and Amad battle the other spot, while Zirkzee and Mount are deeper depth.

Cunha will take a big part of the budget but will make a big difference. Think Amorim's 10's will continue to use one as a more traditional 10 while the other is a more direct winger type like Amad of Garna, and that role suits the development of both perfectly for their current levels. Not sure what we do with Zirkzee and Mount, Zirkzee won't get enough game time just there and Mount if he manages to stay fit definitely won't get much game time, but can't see us being able to sell Mount while Zirkzee I'd keep just as he can cover both the 10 and the #9, so maybe that way we get him happy with his game time.

Striker
New signing as the main, Zirkzee as the first backup, Chido Obi as the deeper depth.

If we winger Europa league and can actually bring in Gyokeres, that'd be a dream signing. We really need a top player here and someone to be that reliable, proven scorer who can handle the role. Zirkzee can float between the 9 or 10, and Chido can be the emergency sub while he develops as a talent. Hojlund should be loaned or sold as I don't think he gets close to enough minutes for himself in this situation, as we would have a situation where we have 2 players per position without him.
 
I'm still surprised the consensus seems to be we'd need a RWB more than a LWB.

In terms of senior players who are fit and available enough to count - we have 3 options at RWB in Dalot, Amad and Maz. And effectively one option at LWB in Dorgu.
Plus that Diego Leon, however agree we should have been targeting a Kerkez/Ait-Nouri
 
I'm still surprised the consensus seems to be we'd need a RWB more than a LWB.

In terms of senior players who are fit and available enough to count - we have 3 options at RWB in Dalot, Amad and Maz. And effectively one option at LWB in Dorgu.

I am not sold on Dalot as a player. He is a squad player at best. Maz is much better as RB in a back 4 or right centre back in a 3. Think if we are going to play wing backs. A new right wing back is needed. Dorgu deserves a chance as he is new to the league. But agree so far he has struggled at times. In truth we need a lot of players
 
Some good choices. My wish list similar. I am 50/50 on Ederson. Would prefer Wharton but apparently palace want £80 million. Garcia I don’t know a lot about. But Spain do produce great goalkeepers.
Ederson is made for this system, can run all day, good on the ball and pacey as well.
 
in order of preference

Striker
10
CDM
Keeper

Unless we can get can get a Gyokeres or Osimhen . I wouldn’t be against signing two wide forwards with premier league experience. EG Cunha and Mbuemo. Might take a bit of pressure of Hojlund and Zirkzee and gamble on giving Obi more minutes.
Ideally we could sign those two and bring in a proven reasonably priced number 9, however who actually fits that criteria I haven't got a clue.
I am not sold on Dalot as a player. He is a squad player at best. Maz is much better as RB in a back 4 or right centre back in a 3. Think if we are going to play wing backs. A new right wing back is needed. Dorgu deserves a chance as he is new to the league. But agree so far he has struggled at times. In truth we need a lot of players
Which RWB should we target?
 
GK
Yoro CB Heaven
Diallo CM Ugarte LWB
Bruno Cunha
CF

Only six players needed if we are being serious.

GK - Doesn’t need to be a big money but, just a solid tall keeper will do for now.
CB - Needs to be a fast athletic player to allow a higher line.
CM - An athletic distributor
LWB - A fast attacking wing back who can create chances
CF - A proven goal scorer is paramount

Just the 6 then?
 
Absolute priority this summer (for finishing in top 4 next year) is the same as last summer.
1. Top class striker (Osimhen, Isak or Gyokeres)
2. Top class starting creative dmc.

To challenge for PL;
3. starting no10 (Cunha?)
4. starting left wing back
5. New gk

New gk (Bayandir)
Yoro (Heaven)
De Ligt (Harry)
Shaw (Lisandro)
Dalot (Maz) / (Amad as first choice??)
New wb (Dorgu)
Case (Ugarte)
New dmc (Mainoo)
Bruno (Amad☆)
Cunha (Garnacho)
New ST (Zirkzee)

☆ Amad and Bruno are tough ones. They are our best players by far but where Amorim sees them is a huge question. With us being interested in Cunha, one will get new position in best 11. Either Bruno goes in midfield or Amad goes on right flank.
 
A versatile, hard working and intelligent midfielder with high quality technique, close control, passing, vision, pressing and a positive attitude.
Let’s just sign Mikkel Damsgaard.
I was so with you until the last line.For me it’s the following at a minimum..

Keeper - let’s concede about 15 less goals next year
Wing back, take your pick which side
CM - as above
Cunha - just get it done
Striker - hopefully to score an incremental 15 goals vs this year

So we’re fecked, essentially
 
Keeper - Joan Garcia
Striker - Delap/Gyokeres
CM - Ederson
10 - Cunha

Garcia
Maz De Ligt Yoro
Amad Bruno Ederson Dorgu
Mainoo Cunha
Gyokeres​
This.

Would love a RWB like Frimpong, and would swap Garnacho instead of Mainoo but the above is probably the most realistic summer we can hope for
 
I know we need a decent goalkeeper and a proper midfielder and a quality striker but aside from that Amorim has me so confused I struggle to pinpoint exactly what we need.
 
I was so with you until the last line.For me it’s the following at a minimum..

Keeper - let’s concede about 15 less goals next year
Wing back, take your pick which side
CM - as above
Cunha - just get it done
Striker - hopefully to score an incremental 15 goals vs this year

So we’re fecked, essentially
Ideally wing back who could play both sides, however struggling to come up with a name. Really hope we could sign this Spanish GK, ideally a more experienced striker than Delap. We could do with a hybrid 6/8 CM but again not exactly easy to find someone who fits that profile.
 
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I genuinely find it bizarre that more posters aren't clamouring for us to sign Elliot Anderson, I get why most people like Baleba/Ederson and they'd both be good additions but there's almost zero talk of a guy whose 3 years younger than Ederson and outperforming Baleba in the premier league.

I know there's a number of posters who seem borderline resentful of analytics but for those curious here's:

Anderson vs Baleba in the premier league this season: https://ibb.co/svJHP6j2

Anderson vs Ederson: https://ibb.co/YFVj9B7J

Anderson Vs Gravenberch: https://ibb.co/whjSxmvv

Anderson vs Declan Rice: https://ibb.co/nqS8DZfC

Anderson vs Odegaard: https://ibb.co/s918Jx1z

Anderson vs Bruno Fernandes: https://ibb.co/6R812m7Q

Anderson vs Bruno Guimaraes: https://ibb.co/FbdrC6wm

Anderson vs Youri Tielemans: https://ibb.co/Rpdd4STv

Anderson vs Moises Caicedo: https://ibb.co/RpgFGjPK

I'll happily make more if anyone if curious but hopefully that should demonstrate his level of play. I've deliberately chosen a wide range of midfielders so you can get a sense of how good he is.

Defensively he's putting up numbers close to Caicedo/Baleba and better than Ederson/Rice/Guimares/Odegaard/Gravenberch whilst also having close to elite level creative numbers. He's the only midfielder in the premier league who ranks top 10 in a number of key defensive and attacking metrics and unlike Gravenberch/Rice/Caicedo he's gettable, which is why I don't understand why he isn't at the top of any midfield wishlist.
 
I genuinely find it bizarre that more posters aren't clamouring for us to sign Elliot Anderson, I get why most people like Baleba/Ederson and they'd both be good additions but there's almost zero talk of a guy whose 3 years younger than Ederson and outperforming Baleba in the premier league.

I know there's a number of posters who seem borderline resentful of analytics but for those curious here's:

Anderson vs Baleba in the premier league this season: https://ibb.co/svJHP6j2

Anderson vs Ederson: https://ibb.co/YFVj9B7J

Anderson Vs Gravenberch: https://ibb.co/whjSxmvv

Anderson vs Declan Rice: https://ibb.co/nqS8DZfC

Anderson vs Odegaard: https://ibb.co/s918Jx1z

Anderson vs Bruno Fernandes: https://ibb.co/6R812m7Q

Anderson vs Bruno Guimaraes: https://ibb.co/FbdrC6wm

Anderson vs Youri Tielemans: https://ibb.co/Rpdd4STv

Anderson vs Moises Caicedo: https://ibb.co/RpgFGjPK

I'll happily make more if anyone if curious but hopefully that should demonstrate his level of play. I've deliberately chosen a wide range of midfielders so you can get a sense of how good he is.

Defensively he's putting up numbers close to Caicedo/Baleba and better than Ederson/Rice/Guimares/Odegaard/Gravenberch whilst also having close to elite level creative numbers. He's the only midfielder in the premier league who ranks top 10 in a number of key defensive and attacking metrics and unlike Gravenberch/Rice/Caicedo he's gettable, which is why I don't understand why he isn't at the top of any midfield wishlist.
Well haven't we just appointed some kind of data analysis guy, so surely those metrics would immediately stand out
 
Well haven't we just appointed some kind of data analysis guy, so surely those metrics would immediately stand out
That would be expecting United to follow a common sense approach to transfers which while I'm certainly hoping for is asking an awful lot.

Depressingly but also unsurprisingly he's been heavily linked with Liverpool who do in fact use a data driven approach to transfers.
 
I was so with you until the last line.For me it’s the following at a minimum..

Keeper - let’s concede about 15 less goals next year
Wing back, take your pick which side
CM - as above
Cunha - just get it done
Striker - hopefully to score an incremental 15 goals vs this year

So we’re fecked, essentially
More or less agree. Only, I think Damsgaard is a perfect example of a player whose less than flashy personality and team betray his extreme potential. One of those who people laugh at when mentioned as a potential signing for a big club, but when he’s there everyone can see why. I’ve seen most of Brentfords games and he stands out as their most important player aside maybe from Mbuemo. Without Damsgaard they simply wouldn’t create half the chances they do. He’s close to prime Eriksen in terms of passing and vision, has better close control than him and better decision making than Bruno. If Damsgaard had been from South America you’d be all over him, I’m sure.
 
So far, confirmed, genuine interest in:

- Cunha
- Gyokeres, Delap
- Ederson
- Milinkovic-Savic

No creative midfielders or centre backs so far, right?
 
Alex Meret, Napoli's goalkeeper and Italy's number two after Donnarumma is available on a free this summer. Surprised that we aren't in for him, to be honest. Not the best option available, but an upgrade on Onana nonetheless. A couple others worth mentioning are Alfie Doughty who just got relegated to League One with Luton. He was top 10 for chances created in the Premier League, and wound up with 8 assists. Could be an option for the LWB role ahead of Dorgu, and probably won't cost more than £5-10m. Tyrick Mitchell from Crystal Palace is also available on a free, and while he is not the most exciting signing, he knows the PL, is a decent LWB and an upgrade on Dorgu.

Wish we looked more into free transfers and under the radar ones that are cheap and that makes sense, instead of complicating transfers.
 
The Execs brought in are said to be high end operators but I struggle to see how it makes sense ahead of season defining games (semi second leg and possible final) to be talking down the players the club is relying on to win the games and secure the £100m UCL place

It is I’m sure correct to say the club sees only a handful as central to the rebuild but why are they not closing down the leaks and at least projecting a “united” front until the season is actually over

Yes top pros are professional and have their own pride in tier performance but it can’t help to be talked about as expendable or worse
 
So far, confirmed, genuine interest in:

- Cunha
- Gyokeres, Delap
- Ederson
- Milinkovic-Savic

No creative midfielders or centre backs so far, right?
Tah on a free, get the impression that Ruben isn't looking to sign creative midfielder this summer
 
More or less agree. Only, I think Damsgaard is a perfect example of a player whose less than flashy personality and team betray his extreme potential. One of those who people laugh at when mentioned as a potential signing for a big club, but when he’s there everyone can see why. I’ve seen most of Brentfords games and he stands out as their most important player aside maybe from Mbuemo. Without Damsgaard they simply wouldn’t create half the chances they do. He’s close to prime Eriksen in terms of passing and vision, has better close control than him and better decision making than Bruno. If Damsgaard had been from South America you’d be all over him, I’m sure.
Remember Damsgaard looking amazing for Denmark in one of the recentish international tournaments when he was probably barely older than a teenager and then having years of being in the wilderness. I'm not sure how physically robust he is and I seem to remember a chronic illness he had that might be scaring bigger clubs off. Very nice player though with the worst hairline I've ever seen on a 24 year old.
 
Given a choice of these two front threes (Europa League win pending and player sales) which are you choosing?

Cunha, Mastantuono and Gyokeres/Osimhen

OR

Cunha, Mbeumo and Delap
 
Under Amorim, I feel we need at least 4 players together us middle table and above:
WB x2
10
CF
These are an absolute minimum but we severely lack goal threat under the current system.

If we sacked Amorim and hired Ireola for example:
LB
RW
CF

Again, would be absolute minimum requirements but this squad is positioned much better to revert to a back 4. Sticking with RA you could argue we need another good CB, potentially CM as Mainoo isn’t cutting it behind 2 x 10s. If Ireola came in (he was my choice when ETH went and still is), the we are good enough in CB positions, maybe FB if Shaw was to stay fit. CM we have 4 players together us middle cover this but maybe an upgrade on Collyer needed. Wide players - Amad, Garnacho, Rashford, Antony and even Sancho (I suspect 2 of them will be sticking around if CL money comes in), Bruno and Mount as 10s which means we need a top quality CF.

Sticking with Amorim is going to be more expensive, more risk and zero guarantees he’s gripped the PL yet. Ireola (cheap contract at Bournemouth) wound need less a rebuild and is PL proven.
 
Under Amorim, I feel we need at least 4 players together us middle table and above:
WB x2
10
CF
These are an absolute minimum but we severely lack goal threat under the current system.

If we sacked Amorim and hired Ireola for example:
LB
RW
CF

Again, would be absolute minimum requirements but this squad is positioned much better to revert to a back 4. Sticking with RA you could argue we need another good CB, potentially CM as Mainoo isn’t cutting it behind 2 x 10s. If Ireola came in (he was my choice when ETH went and still is), the we are good enough in CB positions, maybe FB if Shaw was to stay fit. CM we have 4 players together us middle cover this but maybe an upgrade on Collyer needed. Wide players - Amad, Garnacho, Rashford, Antony and even Sancho (I suspect 2 of them will be sticking around if CL money comes in), Bruno and Mount as 10s which means we need a top quality CF.

Sticking with Amorim is going to be more expensive, more risk and zero guarantees he’s gripped the PL yet. Ireola (cheap contract at Bournemouth) wound need less a rebuild and is PL proven.
Doesn't that lack of solid links to WB's tell you we are most likely looking at internal solutions this summer
 
Given a choice of these two front threes (Europa League win pending and player sales) which are you choosing?

Cunha, Mastantuono and Gyokeres/Osimhen

OR

Cunha, Mbeumo and Delap
Option A is the sexier, higher risk, higher reward option.

Option B is the safe, lower risk, stable option.

We need B this summer realistically but would be lying if I said I wouldn’t prefer A.
 
Doesn't that lack of solid links to WB's tell you we are most likely looking at internal solutions this summer
Not sure, the club have been quite good at keeping some signings close to home recently. Dorgu happened quite quickly. If what you say is true, then that’s quite worrying see as they are absolutely key positions in this system and we need quality there.
 
Not sure, the club have been quite good at keeping some signings close to home recently. Dorgu happened quite quickly. If what you say is true, then that’s quite worrying see as they are absolutely key positions in this system and we need quality there.
I think our wing back situation is a mix of we are fine number wise there, but with some room for flexibility if a talent se really want becomes available.

As of now, I'd expect Dalot and Dorgu to be the main wing backs and the big improvement to our attack to come from focusing the funds in Cunha and hopefully Gyokeres. Then you have Amass who will get development minutes at LWB, Shaw who will occasionally be fit and play, Dalot can cover both sides if needed, Mazraoui can play on the right, Amad can play on the right... Squad number wise if we sign Cunha and Gyokeres, we've already got more than 2 players per position and you'll have fewer players moving between multiple positions anyway to cover injuries. If we win the Europa league there's a chance we add 1 right wing back I'd say, but if not then no chance we do anything there.