Lamine Yamal

I’m getting “but Messi” pushback

Agree to disagree.

My point is based on Pep’s evolution. He became extremely risk averse over time. Playing 4/5 central backs. Prioritizing control over everything.

Would Yamal have been given the freedom at 15, 16 or 17 to express himself and discover his limits with the current version of Pep? I’m not convinced but It’s all hypothetical.

Pep signed and plays Doku most of the time when he is fit. Doku is a very shit version of Yamal. Pep isnt prioritising control he hasnt got the talent at the level of Yamal.

What I would say is he probably would not have given Yamal this much game time. But thats also mostly thanks to Barca finances, Xavi and the Spanish coach. After the Euros there was no way Yamal wasnt a starter.
 
Pep signed and plays Doku most of the time when he is fit. Doku is a very shit version of Yamal. Pep isnt prioritising control he hasnt got the talent at the level of Yamal.

What I would say is he probably would not have given Yamal this much game time. But thats also mostly thanks to Barca finances, Xavi and the Spanish coach. After the Euros there was no way Yamal wasnt a starter.

Doku plays for sure but how he plays is the crux of my original post. Death by a million back passes to the fullback.

Good first step to beat a man then followed by a pass to the fullback or 10 in the half space. That leads to more recycled possessions.

He has one of the best target men in the league but I can’t remember how many times I’ve seen him cross. Contrast that with Yamals instep crosses
 
Doku plays for sure but how he plays is the crux of my original post. Death by a million back passes to the fullback.

Good first step to beat a man then followed by a pass to the fullback or 10 in the half space. That leads to more recycled possessions.

He has one of the best target men in the league but I can’t remember how many times I’ve seen him cross. Contrast that with Yamals instep crosses

We differ in our views then. Because I dont see Doku doing a lot back passes he just has shit delivery/decision making. He dribbles a lot and isn't much of a back passes merchant for me.

Haaland isnt actually great in the air so I can see why City dont cross as much.

Agree to disagree.
 
Yet another incredible game I thought until he hit the post and decided he's going to do it all on his own and made some poor choices. But he'll learn with age, I have no doubt about it. Has all the talent and tools to dominate the next decade.
I think it was the big chance he missed with basically the last kick of regular time. He could have won it but the shot was bad and he seemed to have lost a bit of confidence then. Until this moment he looked absolutely out of this world, not like an amazing talent but actually like the best player in the world. Everything he did worked. In extra time he then had some bad moments, but even then also moments of brilliance. The cross to Lewandowski for an open goal was crazy good and also his shot that Sommer saved was pretty good. But he was visibly worse than in regular time, where he really reminded me of young Messi. For sure the most exciting talent since young Neymar. As good as Mbappe was with Monaco,
 
Great player but if Garnacho performed like he did tonight the cafe would be calling for his head.
 
Doku plays for sure but how he plays is the crux of my original post. Death by a million back passes to the fullback.

Good first step to beat a man then followed by a pass to the fullback or 10 in the half space. That leads to more recycled possessions.

He has one of the best target men in the league but I can’t remember how many times I’ve seen him cross. Contrast that with Yamals instep crosses
Haaland is poor in the air. Even though he looks like he should be great in the air.
 
Super Saiyan II Yamal has been pretty wild:




I'm surprised he had this extra level to tap into at this stage of the season. I thought he'd looked tired for awhile, and downright exhausted vs. Madrid in the cup final.
 
I think he's our level... just come, we don't judge you if you missed a sitter
 
His attempt to be the hero in overtime backfired spectacularly. A few centimeters from heaven to hell in that shot to the post.
 
Great player but if Garnacho performed like he did tonight the cafe would be calling for his head.
Yep, was very one trick pony last night. No awareness to play in colleagues, just taking shots. The ego is getting bigger and blonder.
 
Crazy stat, but what was it, he had like 15/16 attempts over the 2 ties. Plus the numerous chances created. Any other day, he scores a couple over the tie but Sommer also pulled off some great saves, with some sub par finishing on occasion from Yamal as well. One things for sure, he gets you off your seat like no other player currently. Odd bit of decision making lapses but we forget he’s only 17. Raphinha was invisible for most of last night though, but popped up with a goal. Ferran also fairly non existent, meaning almost everything good on the night went through Yamal.
 
What he’s doing at age 17 is mind-blowing, not seen in my lifetime. If he can get to Messi levels remains to be seen but it’s already remarkable.
 
His attempt to be the hero in overtime backfired spectacularly. A few centimeters from heaven to hell in that shot to the post.

My thoughts as well, Barcelona severely lacked experience to see the game out. Seemed like he wanted to have a goal for himself, when he should've thought about the team.
 
He’s the best player in the world at the minute for me, he’s unplayable even if you put 2/3 defenders on him.
 
Crazy stat, but what was it, he had like 15/16 attempts over the 2 ties. Plus the numerous chances created. Any other day, he scores a couple over the tie but Sommer also pulled off some great saves, with some sub par finishing on occasion from Yamal as well. One things for sure, he gets you off your seat like no other player currently. Odd bit of decision making lapses but we forget he’s only 17. Raphinha was invisible for most of last night though, but popped up with a goal. Ferran also fairly non existent, meaning almost everything good on the night went through Yamal.
Exactly. Some of the criticism is crazy to me.
 
Pep signed and plays Doku most of the time when he is fit. Doku is a very shit version of Yamal. Pep isnt prioritising control he hasnt got the talent at the level of Yamal.

What I would say is he probably would not have given Yamal this much game time. But thats also mostly thanks to Barca finances, Xavi and the Spanish coach. After the Euros there was no way Yamal wasnt a starter.
Doku is nothing like yamal.
 
Crazy stat, but what was it, he had like 15/16 attempts over the 2 ties. Plus the numerous chances created. Any other day, he scores a couple over the tie but Sommer also pulled off some great saves, with some sub par finishing on occasion from Yamal as well. One things for sure, he gets you off your seat like no other player currently. Odd bit of decision making lapses but we forget he’s only 17. Raphinha was invisible for most of last night though, but popped up with a goal. Ferran also fairly non existent, meaning almost everything good on the night went through Yamal.

Some crazier stats: he made fourteen out of twenty dribble attempts yesterday, won seven fouls, and hit the woodwork three times over the tie. (He apparently told CBS didn't even see Raphinha for that late lob in the first game. He'd previously had no problem admitting the assist against Benfica was a mishit.)
 
Yep, was very one trick pony last night. No awareness to play in colleagues, just taking shots. The ego is getting bigger and blonder.
This person must have watched another game.
 
Had to watch the highlights again. It should be illegal to be this good at 17. Best in the world? He's in the conversation. Definitely the most electrifying player in sports entertainment currently

The whole “Pep killed football” thing is so stupid because so many people misunderstand it. it uses a positive ( Peps team usually are high scoring) as an a negative (copycats cant do it like him).

I'm half expecting Pep to somehow be blamed for Calciopoli and COVID this time next year
 
I’m getting “but Messi” pushback

Agree to disagree.

My point is based on Pep’s evolution. He became extremely risk averse over time. Playing 4/5 central backs. Prioritizing control over everything.

Would Yamal have been given the freedom at 15, 16 or 17 to express himself and discover his limits with the current version of Pep? I’m not convinced but It’s all hypothetical.
I think you have a point actually, but most people do not realise that the Pep of City and the Pep of Barca are not the same thing.
 
Crazy stat, but what was it, he had like 15/16 attempts over the 2 ties. Plus the numerous chances created. Any other day, he scores a couple over the tie but Sommer also pulled off some great saves, with some sub par finishing on occasion from Yamal as well. One things for sure, he gets you off your seat like no other player currently. Odd bit of decision making lapses but we forget he’s only 17. Raphinha was invisible for most of last night though, but popped up with a goal. Ferran also fairly non existent, meaning almost everything good on the night went through Yamal.

I’m guessing that was a bit like their season overall? Because every time I watch Barca it’s Yamal who looks a level above every player on the pitch only for Rafinha to end up leathering the ball into the goal. Based on their goal tallies you’d think Rafinha is a better player. But not when you watch the games.
 
Super Saiyan II Yamal has been pretty wild:

3:11 :lol:

This should serve as a lesson in reality about the modern game. It doesn’t matter the tactics or the kind of game a team - or set of teams - generally play, when met with a phenomenon every single set of footage looks the exact same; defenders frozen in fear, not sure whether to commit or back off, flailing and committing fouls and/or being humiliated.

Even the dogma of 1 goes, 1 covers him and a 3rd man behind is followed to a tee. A 17-year old in 2025 is as modern as it gets, yet that footage could be from the 50’s or 60’s for the principles followed and how humans react when overwhelmed. The super soldier notion is clearly a myth; talent going beyond a certain point, and opponents stop dead in their tracks.

I think this kind of regard by the opposition (being double and triple marked) is the final anointing of Yamal. You have to go far and wide to find players this kind of treatment is reserved for. That and the systematic fouling on top - basically pulling out all the stops - and they still couldn’t contain him, as he bypassed them like they were motionless skittles and got his shots or passes off at will.

Someone else will probably win the Ballon d’Or now, but I don’t think there’s a better player in the world than this kid and nobody else reserved that kind of treatment who can stroll past it at will.
 
It’s his passing that stands out for me. Players can dribble, players can shoot….but rarely do you see such inventive passing in a player blessed with the other two traits in abundance.

Lots of people talking about Messi for obvious reasons, but watching him play reminds me a lot more of Henry

Poor bastard.

He got the Messi treatment from his own players who shoved him the ball at every possible opportunity and just went, "Do something"

It's nothing short of a miracle that he won about 90% of his one on one duels. Can you imagine anyone else having that responsibility.

It's pretty fortunate :lol:

What's clear now is that you can't leave him one on one. If you do, he will beat the defender 99% of the time. Even if you double up (which Inter were doing all game), he can often beat both defenders. That is crazy ability. The finishing will improve, and some of the more sloppy elements of his game will be ironed out. Sky's the limit.

Finally a "normal" performance. Which he was still great, just not an unstoppable force of nature single-handedly tilting a match his way

I mean, every single player on the team tried to get the ball to him at the earliest opportunity, seemed pretty content for him to be greedy and he almost made something happen every single time. He's phenomenal.
The ability he has to manipulate the ball, in and of itself, is phenomenal, but then how he shapes his body to set up markers makes them not want to go near him, or even when they do, have no idea what the best course of action is to prevent him from executing what he wants. They can’t show him a bad side of his body because he hits the ball effortlessly on both sides of his foot, so if you’re trying to prevent instep passes, you’re opening up angles for passes with the outside of the foot. If you try to just barrel into him and stop the whole foot with a full on block, he’s gone; skipped past you, and you have opened up the field for him. He couldn’t care less if he cuts in towards goal or runs the line wide, either. The amount of times he was/is deadly from the byline is crazy. The kid is unplayable and as we saw, it’s only a matter of whether he scores or assists that will determine how good the performance is - the defenders don’t get much of a say, they’re like red uniforms in Star Trek.

For the millionth time, it’s a prayer he doesn’t get injured or distracted away from the game or lose interest in it; many want to see where he goes with his talent and just how much he can impress upon the best to ever play the game. He’s currently comfortably in the most elite bracket for 17-year olds, remaining equivalent at 18, 19, 20 and so on will get harder and harder, but he truly has the ability to do it.
 
What he’s doing at age 17 is mind-blowing, not seen in my lifetime. If he can get to Messi levels remains to be seen but it’s already remarkable.
Messi at 17 was more polished - but wasn’t playing with so much confidence I wanna say ? Or perhaps he wasn’t playing like a star?

Not taking anything away from Yamal. If he keeps going one day he might be the good enough for an Antony swap :lol:
 
He’s the best player in the world at the minute for me, he’s unplayable even if you put 2/3 defenders on him.

Let’s see how Dembele does tonight and the final if they make it. Looking pretty sharp this season, living upto his potential.
 
A really ridiculous talent. Just hope that he isn't totally ran into the ground before we get to see what he can be like at the peak of his physicality.
 
He's overrated and likely to burn out in his mid 20s because way overplayed before he's even developed properly. In this tie, Dumfries was the star across two legs but has barely had a mention...
 
He's absolutely brilliant but an advantage Messi had when he was the same age was that firstly Barca were kid gloves with him to start to manage his fitness, and he was coming into a team with superstars and particularly an existing talisman to defer to in Ronaldinho, he was allowed to develop gradually over about five years from cameos to rotation player to starter to main man to best player in the world. Yamal isn't yet 18 but already Barca are playing him for every minute of every game despite the big Ansu Fati-sized warning sign, and the team already in a Champions League semi final are giving him the ball and going "go on, save us". I just hope that brilliance can be spread out instead of ground down into a paste by minutes, injuries and pressure by the time he's 22.
 
Exactly. Some of the criticism is crazy to me.
Yeah, he had that fullback on toast (especially the one who replaced DiMarco). And needed doubling up at every opportunity. If Ferran or Raphinha did a little more, Barca could’ve maybe seen off inter, but it wasn’t to be. They literally just gave the ball to Yamal at every opportunity and waited for him to do something. Unfortunately the finish just wasn’t there due to a combination of Sommer and some sub-par finishes.
Some crazier stats: he made fourteen out of twenty dribble attempts yesterday, won seven fouls, and hit the woodwork three times over the tie. (He apparently told CBS didn't even see Raphinha for that late lob in the first game. He'd previously had no problem admitting the assist against Benfica was a mishit.)
Bloody hell. The one where he hit the upright at the end of the game, just before Inter made it 3-3, was maybe the one moment he could/should have recycled possession or ran to the corner flag….but it’s not the Barca way and he was an inch away from sealing the tie.
I’m guessing that was a bit like their season overall? Because every time I watch Barca it’s Yamal who looks a level above every player on the pitch only for Rafinha to end up leathering the ball into the goal. Based on their goal tallies you’d think Rafinha is a better player. But not when you watch the games.
Yeah, admittedly haven’t watched a lot of Barca this season (I haven’t since Messi left), but seems to be fairly accurate and also backs up what most Barca fans admit themselves. Him, and Pedri of course. Between them for their POTY but admittedly attackers get a little more credit.