And Hojlund and Dorgu.
Need to sell Bruno to buy Doucoure.
ESPN: Amorim prioritising, Pace, Power and Atheticism this summer
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Need to sell Bruno to buy Doucoure.
Lets just get players who can pass to their teammates more than 5 yards away. then we can think about the rest
Brief version of a post I made in another thread, but almost every player at the club should have some combination of three key things. When most of the squad has all, you can afford a few players who dont but are particularly good or solid at something.
1. Technique (beginning with touch)
2. Physicality - this encompasses everything from stamina, running ability, strength, to more wiry players like Giggs being really aggressive (not dirty) to play against. Every player regardless of shape and size should have a physical presence to their strengths. A player neednt have ALL of these physical traits but should have physical presence in some shape or form. PACE is a pre-requisite in modern football unless you are exceptionally intelligent on ball.
3. Courage - Probably linked to confidence, but no top club can afford to have a single player who is afraid to play the ball forward, take risks, or make big decisions in a defensive sense.
I think Amad and Bruno have all three. Struggle to think of others. I think Yoro will have all 3.
As examples, people will argue their own, Mainoo and 1 and 3, but not 2 (yet). Garnacho has 2 and 3, but not 1. You could argue some of our players players have none of the above.
There are other important things, but I think that if you lack any of these 3 criteria, you should not even be considered as a signing. They are the building blocks of everything else.
1. Technique (beginning with touch)
2. Physicality - this encompasses everything from stamina, running ability, strength, to more wiry players like Giggs being really aggressive (not dirty) to play against. Every player regardless of shape and size should have a physical presence to their strengths. A player neednt have ALL of these physical traits but should have physical presence in some shape or form. PACE is a pre-requisite in modern football unless you are exceptionally intelligent on ball.
3. Courage - Probably linked to confidence, but no top club can afford to have a single player who is afraid to play the ball forward, take risks, or make big decisions in a defensive sense.
I think Amad and Bruno have all three. Struggle to think of others. I think Yoro will have all 3.
As examples, people will argue their own, Mainoo and 1 and 3, but not 2 (yet). Garnacho has 2 and 3, but not 1. You could argue some of our players players have none of the above.
There are other important things, but I think that if you lack any of these 3 criteria, you should not even be considered as a signing. They are the building blocks of everything else.
You’re not bringing anything constructive here. You critiqued my post with a narrative that i had already written about. I don’t get what this one means, however both midfielders showed absolutely no lack of either attribute against the 3 English clubs they knocked out this CL campaign.
Are you genuinely unable to comprehend the possibility that someone can have both in their locker?
It's pointless being able to pass and control the ball if you can't keep up with the match, we've seen that all season, it's why we're so low in the league.
If we don't have players who can stand up to the physical demands of the league, then we'll be down towards the bottom of the table again.
Took him 8 months for a no shite sherlock revelation
Sure they didnt
Watch us sign physical cloggers who aren't very talented.
he’s mentioned several times about the need for more physicality.
What’s the point in responding with that? What does it bring to the forum?
What's the point?
Not great if it's at expense of technique
My opinion.
Dorgu did he fit this profile?
Want to expand on why you think they were shite? What are the obvious reasons that Vitinha would be a bad signing? Or are you in the line of not reading posts properly and then being immature when someone asks what you mean?
CR7 coming back
Yeah spoke about it very early. Signed dorgu largely on physical traits i expect. It didn't take him 8 months, there was just 8 months until the summer window
Amazed to see someone like you write something like that. You appreciate the nuance and intricacies of technical refinery yet seem to be welcoming the ushering in of us actively seeking donkeys.
Hasn't been a priority for a long time.
Has to be players with technical ability to compliment their physical attributes.
Bloody hell we’re never going to be able to play out of the press at the back.
Preparation for when Southgate takes over in December to save us from relegation
Theres people in his thread that still maintain he's a physical specimen
So we're going for all the qualities we had as a counter attacking team before we went to 4-2-3-1 and tried to have more of the ball and play out of the back. Glad the last 6 years werent for noth... oh
Ignoring technique and you end up with 5 Dorgus this summer.
Gotta hope that we sign players that are technically sound too. It’s not an impossibility to get all of the above plus that too.
Pace, power, penetration. The Alan Hansen pundit playbook
Its not. But given our record in the transfer market its next to impossible. We'll be lucky if we get players of an adequate level that do have 2 of 3 pace, power and running power, let alone having a good touch and ability to play when pressed and in tight spaces
With Onana as our keeper, I'd give up on this idea for now.
First you may want to highlight where I said they were shite before I can answer at that particular question.
As for the reasons for why I don’t think either in isolation would be good signings for us I already mentioned in my post, we as a side lack height and because of this struggle with set pieces. Its one of the reasons Amorim has brought Casemiro back in the side and why ETH often used McTominay as a sub later in games. Add to that our CFs being piss poor in the air too. This is not something you can take lightly in the PL.
Given we need to replace Casemiro. Neves for this reason would not be an ideal option unless we added more height elsewhere to compensate.
Vitinha plays with Ruiz and Neves. Ruiz offers the physical balance in the midfield with his frame whilst Neves offers defensive cover to allow Vitinha to hunt in the press and do his work with the ball. They are all really good with the ball too which in my opinion is a must in midfield all excellent players
Now take United. In isolation he is a good addition. But again given we would be losing Casemiro and we have no one to really offer the physical balance for him. Ugarte likes to go and hunt and doesn’t seem to know how to sit and mop up. Vitinha along with a holding player who would offer the ariel presence and add physicality we need would be good. Vitinha alone would be an issue
Against Arsenal aside from the first 20 mins of the first leg PSG were outmatched in midfield and especially second leg when Partey was fit. It did not cost them the game or tie (they managed through it)
I was keen on Neves last summer instead of Ugarte. My reservation was the same as this time squad composition. Replacing Casemiro we also need to replace his ariel presence not just his ball winning.
Of all the midfielders at PSG its actually Ruiz who would be the most ideal for us to sign. He offers ball progression, creativity offers physicality and ariel precence and can help control tempo.
Vitinha would be an ok signing in isolation but midfield composition would still have major issues given who we already have. Building a midfield is about balancing the attributes of the whole.
Theres people in his thread that still maintain he's a physical specimen
If he’s not, what is he? He’s not technically that great but seems pretty strong, relatively fast, and has good stamina.
He looks no more physical than most mid table PL full backs.
Pretty sure he mentioned it in his first presser or one of the first ones.
Oh ok. That’s not too bad. I’m comparing him to players like Mazraoui, Mainoo, and Lindelof. I assume players like that are what Amorim wants to improve on when he’s talking about physicality.
Let's hope he doesn't get a bunch of Adama Traore's eh
Or we could play something akin to Klopp's Liverpool, who had few problems working it out from the back and playing on the front foot.
We have a squad littered of players who are slow and weak, who can't keep or pass a ball either.
We need athleticism in the team to even just bridge the gap between us and teams like Brentford/Bournemouth, never mind the top 5/6 teams.
Amazed to see someone like you write something like that. You appreciate the nuance and intricacies of technical refinery yet seem to be welcoming the ushering in of us actively seeking donkeys.
You do have a point. But the way I see things in the PL is the pace, power and athleticism is the baseline. It’s such a physical and fast league so you need players who can be comfortable with the level of intensity. Your team needs to win the physical battle or at least not lose it, then your technical qualities can be the difference maker.The biggest problem we’ve had post Fergie is signing technical players with little athleticism and physical players with poor ball skills. Once we find a better balance of that the number of flops we sign will reduce. Even the summer just gone we signed Zirkzee and Ugarte, one can’t run in behind and the other is a hazard taking the ball under pressure near our box.
These physical qualities can help teams in dominating some of the important margins.
It’s no surprise our best league finishes have come when we’ve had teams more geared towards PL football. These teams had this baseline but lacked that extra bit of technical refinery to take us to the next level.
2017/18 - DDG, Valencia Smalling Jones Young, Matic Fellaini Pogba, Rashford Lukaku Lingard.
20/21 - DDG, AWB Maguire Lindelof Shaw, Fred Mctominay Bruno, Greenwood Rashford Martial
I look at our current team and how many of them are dominant in the air like the Jose team. None of our current fullbacks can save our bacon like AWB did repeatedly with last ditch tackles. The dynamism in our attack is also nonexistent, we don’t have any player that can run with the ball while shrugging off players, Amad and Garnacho are so lightweight once you get a hand on them they get dispossessed or fouled.
We get bullied all over the pitch by strength and pace. Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle have a good mix of physicality and technical skills and that what we need to get closer to.
Yet he's physically miles ahead of anyone else we have to play at wing back, so it demonstrates how far we've fallen physically and why this approach is necessary.
I assume good football technique is implied along with pace and power?
Watch the sign Usain Bolt, he'd sell a lot of shirts.
Watch the sign Usain Bolt, he'd sell a lot of shirts.
The approach isn't "let's get anyone who is better than what we have". It's "let's recruit cleverly with astute signings who can bridge the gap".
We had funds to improve it more and we paid 35m eur for a wingback who isn't ready to be better than the midtable options.