Matheus Cunha | Official | signed the first day of the window

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Is he mad? He is a little actually, has a bit of twattery about him, which I always like.

But OT has been a graveyard for decent players this last 12 years and more, and our record on Brazilians is fkn shocking:

Kleberson - about 2004 on the way to play football, a mate announced in the car 'Has anyone actually seen footage of him playing in that World Cup Final?'
Possebon - can barely remember him.
Anderson - I thought he was less than average even from that first match v Liverpool. Gave the ball away cheaply. His contract extension was up there with United's Most Stupid Contract Renewals, and that is a strong list, with our top scorer on the top of the pile.
The Twins. Rabio was reasonable, Fafael less so. Or was it the other way around? We'll never know.
Pereira - he looked ok, but we gave up on him fairly quickly. Looks fine at Fulham.
Fred - tried hard, worked hard, was never a DM so you could say he was out of position most of his United career. Still, massively limited footballer for a 50M Brazilian.
Telles - I watched the pens from the Europa final the other week. Could not for the life of me remember who it was.
Antony - nowt against him (unlike our other current loanees), except that he only ever shot.
Casemiro (should be pronounced Cazzy, not Cassy btw) - top quality footballer. Years too late. We wore him out in the first 8 months, took him 2 years to recover. I still keep hoping the Saudis will take him off our hands though.
Cunha - seems to be a done deal. He really looks the part, and has plenty of quality and snap in his game. Surely... SURELY!... we can't feck this one up? We're long overdue having a nice, tidy Brazilian.

Our record with Brazilians is shocking. Awful. However, the major plus point with Cunha compared to everyone (I think) on that list is that he has at least proven himself in the Premier League. There's a stronger case for him being more suited to us than most, if not all, of those other players. Another plus is that we know exactly the sort of player we're getting, whereas the likes of Anderson, Pereira, and Fred never really nailed down their roles with us. Anderson's goal tally with us is simply shocking. We couldn't decide whether he was defensive mid, attacking mid, box-to-box, playmaker, so he ended up doing none of those roles particularly well.

I'm still not sure what to feel with this signing, but if we were to rank him before he even kicks a ball for us, he's already in the top half of that table based on what we have seen of him in the league.
 
One of my major problems with this kind of analysis is that while it might be somewhat fair to say that the same level of overperformance is not sustainable, xG isn't a static number from season to season. There are countless factors that go into a players performances and any of those changing could completely change the stats that some people seem to think are gospel. Cunha is moving to a new team, will be playing with completely new players and playing under a completely new manager.

Two high profile examples of big swings in xG this season are Raphinha and Dembele. Both have a significantly higher xG than they've had in previous seasons and both are having seasons that have seen them mentioned as Ballon d'Or contenders.

Who's to say Cunha's xG doesn't go up to 12 next season and then he would only need to outperform it by a much smaller amount to match his goal tally from this current season. Obviously it could go the other way as well, because irregardless of all the stats in the world, there are no certainties in football.
Difference being, neither of them massively outperformed xG at their former clubs...so pretty bad examples, but i get your point, to an extent.

xG has got to be one of the worst things added to "stats" in the last few years. Such tiresome sh*t

Well sorry not sure if that's aimed at myself for bringing up a podcast view. It wasn't mine and i did suggest xG so something i can take or leave.

However, i know from my other hobby, horse racing, that adding statistical analysis and things such as stride analysis, a sport can become more interesting. But you can always stick to your Youtube highlight reels.
 
I think there are far too many people emotionally invested in this transfer just willing to shout down people who are nervous about it in this thread. It's fine to be excited about a transfer, but that doesn't mean you should be having a go at people who aren't. Especially when it comes with the whole troglodyte "stats are boring" stuff.
 
If you wanna find something wrong with any transfer (which a lot of United fans seem to want to do these days) you can always dig out an opinion from somewhere thanks to social media. I choose to believe what not just my own eyes have told me but numerous other wolves fans too, he’s a good player and in my opinion United fans will love him. There’s enough negativity and toxicity around at the moment. How about some old fashioned belief?
 
With united its always the same - you will only hear bad news as that sells better (also on SM). Cunha is quite a player and thats for everyone to see. Just relax and let the crazy season commence
 
I think there are far too many people emotionally invested in this transfer just willing to shout down people who are nervous about it in this thread. It's fine to be excited about a transfer, but that doesn't mean you should be having a go at people who aren't. Especially when it comes with the whole troglodyte "stats are boring" stuff.
Can you cite examples? All I’ve seen is people on this thread share their opinion. And don’t cite twitter/X which evidently has numerous trolls and bots.
 
If you wanna find something wrong with any transfer (which a lot of United fans seem to want to do these days) you can always dig out an opinion from somewhere thanks to social media. I choose to believe what not just my own eyes have told me but numerous other wolves fans too, he’s a good player and in my opinion United fans will love him. There’s enough negativity and toxicity around at the moment. How about some old fashioned belief?
Couldn't agree more, on all counts
 
I think there are far too many people emotionally invested in this transfer just willing to shout down people who are nervous about it in this thread. It's fine to be excited about a transfer, but that doesn't mean you should be having a go at people who aren't. Especially when it comes with the whole troglodyte "stats are boring" stuff.
But stats are boring when they are overused as they have been
 
But stats are boring when they are overused as they have been
Any more boring than the constant posts about how he's guaranteed to be a success? I guess that's a matter of perspective.
Can you cite examples? All I’ve seen is people on this thread share their opinion. And don’t cite twitter/X which evidently has numerous trolls and bots.
Then you haven't been paying attention, won't quote people because I think it's kind of rude but I can link their posts for you
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33153523
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33239103
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33154070
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33153523
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33165461

And those are just the ones I recognised when I searched this thread for the word "boring".
 
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Any more boring than the constant posts about how he's guaranteed to be a success? I guess that's a matter of perspective.

Then you haven't been paying attention, won't quote people because I think it's kind of rude but I can link their posts for you
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33153523
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33239103
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33154070
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33153523
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mat...transfer-being-finalised.487541/post-33165461

And those are just the ones I recognised when I searched this thread for the word "boring".
It hasn’t just been me saying we’ve had enough of Xg stuff being in every conversation, multiple posters have been saying it
 
It hasn’t just been me saying we’ve had enough of Xg stuff being in every conversation, multiple posters have been saying it
I didn't say it was, you're only 2 of the links and that's only because I picked the most recent ones :lol: I was just pointing out they exist to the poster who asked. It's academic anyway, and not really for this thread. I just think people complaining about other peoples posts being boring (and again, not just you, it's plenty of people across loads of topics) is a bit toxic and self-defeating. It's a discussion forum, if I went round calling out every post and thread I found boring it'd be a full time job! I just skim over it until I find something interesting.
 
This video doesn't fill me with excitement, there have been posters talking up his ball carrying on here when in fact it's pretty average and seems like other than goals his play is very mid
Pretty much. What kills me about this transfer is that we finally look set to rid ourselves of Rashford and Sancho only to replace them with a player with many of the same flaws.
 
I hope we're not really in for him. Even if we can't get better we should certainly be able to at least find similar quality cheaper.
 
I hope we're not really in for him. Even if we can't get better we should certainly be able to at least find similar quality cheaper.
Sorry to disappoint but it’s basically a done deal and a very good one. He’ll add goals and creativity to an attack that desperately needs it
 
I hate finalized deals. You'd think finalized means it'd take 2 days to finish but in reality it's 1 month+.
 
Over-analyzing players has killed pretty much every excitement I have over transfers. We could sign Yamal for 2m and there would be armchair tacticos pointing to his over-performance and weak physique based on underlying stats.
 
Over-analyzing players has killed pretty much every excitement I have over transfers. We could sign Yamal for 2m and there would be armchair tacticos pointing to his over-performance and weak physique based on underlying stats.
No, if you signed Lamine the armchair tacticos would point out that his underlying stats say he's either the best player in the world or will be very soon, and if you can only add a guy who can actually finish his dinner as well, Lamine can elevate you into the top 5
 
Are you okay? You've asked does it and then answered yourself.
I read the tweet perfectly fine the first time. There's no explanation of why it makes a difference to whether cash leaves our bank on 30th June or 1st July. Can you enlighten me?
 
Does it? To place the next installment in the next financial year is not a reason that makes any sense by the way.
If his contract starts before July 1 that means you signed him in the current season, so his transfer cost starts going into your books in the 24/25 season

It's sort of redundant point to make from the journo because obviously teams don't sign new players at the end of their season usually, as there's no reason for it
 
I read the tweet perfectly fine the first time. There's no explanation of why it makes a difference to whether cash leaves our bank on 30th June or 1st July. Can you enlighten me?
I don't think you did, and you still haven't if you think there's no explanation why.

to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
 
I don't think you did, and you still haven't if you think there's no explanation why.

to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
:lol::lol:
 
I don't think you did, and you still haven't if you think there's no explanation why.

to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
to allow United to place the first instalment on the next financial year.
:lol:
 
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