Ah well, I guess my hopes for just a poll rather than a debate were always unrealistic, so I might as well join in.Henry scored 10 goals in his 17 league appearances, Berbatov scored 12 over the whole league season.
Henry's miles better.
Henry had 20 goals and 7 assists in all competitions despite being sidelined for that long.Ah well, I guess my hopes for just a poll rather than a debate were always unrealistic, so I might as well join in.
You can pick out 12 from the league if you wish, but in all competitions he scored 23 goals with 15 assists .. on average very nearly a goal or an assist for every game he started, right across the entire season.
And none of his goals - in the league or otherwise - were penalties.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8039&cc=590120 goals???
He scored 10 in the league with a lot of them being penalties and one in the fa cup.
He's not in the top goalscoring charts of the CL either...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League_2006-07#Top_scorers
So where did you get these 20 goals from?
You've included internationals, not just club goals. I didn't do the same with Berbatov's figures.
So you're counting Internationals aswell eh, if you do that for Berbatov he's scored 30 goals this season.
Tevez is a level above Berbatov, has a pedigree to him prior to going to the PL Berbatov does not and Owen has never and will never be on Henry's level.I agree, it's like taking Michael Owen over Tevez just because Owen was good back in the days....
Whatever man, you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. None of us are gonna back down so it's better we just leave it at that.
those are the stats for henry last season despite being injured for much of the season. if you don't want to include the internationals fine,You've included internationals, not just club goals. I didn't do the same with Berbatov's figures.
In club games Henry scored 12 goals with 7 assists in all competitions, compared to 23 and 15 for Berbatov.
Berbatov had nearly double the goals and more than double the assists.
A spurs fan is trying to wank over Berbatov by comparing him to their bitter rival's top striker and ask United fans as to who they'd prefer, and no need to point out, the wanking hasn't been that satisfyingTevez is a level above Berbatov, has a pedigree to him prior to going to the PL Berbatov does not and Owen has never and will never be on Henry's level.
In other words, your comparison is way off.
I'd just like to know what Berbatov has done to be mentioned in the same breath as Henry.
Berbatov was the 2nd highest scorer in the Bundesliga in the season before to coming to Spurs and has played in the Champions League. Is that not some degree of prior pedigree?Tevez is a level above Berbatov, has a pedigree to him prior to going to the PL Berbatov does not ...
Don't you think you might be confusing past glories with present day realities?... I'd just like to know what Berbatov has done to be mentioned in the same breath as Henry.
Trying to sneak in international goals for Henry didn't work too well did it?... Berbatov scored only 12 goals in the league compared to Henry's 10, despite playing double the number of games Henry did.
23 goals and 15 assists is impressive to me ... can't help it if you don't think so.Not very impressive, is it?
What a ridiculous thread. Berbatov has been in the Prem for one season. One season.
Henry is probably the best player the Premiership has seen.
Indeed you are correct - you never lose class. What you do lose as you get older (and especially after a run of injuries) is a yard of pace. For a player like Henry that could be very significant.Stupid indeed.
Scholes was sidelined for much longer than Henry yet came back in amazing form. He's also older than Henry.
Injuries dont determine whether someone has peaked or not because class is a permanent thing.
'Has' - past tense - being the operative word, even for those who agree with your 'best player' assessment....
Henry is probably the best player the Premiership has seen.
you're the one who said the stats for ALL COMPETITIONS, so don't accuse me of 'sneaking in international goals' unless you're a hypocrite.Trying to sneak in international goals for Henry didn't work too well did it?
So now you're back to trying to pick a limited range of stats from last season because they suit your argument better, and ignoring the bigger picture and more complete club-based stats because they don't suit your case.
In any case, how many of Henry's 10 goals were penalties?
23 goals and 15 assists is impressive to me ... can't help it if you don't think so.
You are wasting your time debating the obvious with Glaston, he is even of the belief that Berbatov is better than Rooney.12 goals of Berbatov in the league versus henry's 10 goals isn't very impressive at all when Berbatov has played double the number of games henry has, but I understand you are a spurs fan and bitter rivals with the gooners and trying hard to wank over your player, I understand
Yes I have.
Did you start watching football since 2002 or somehting?
So so ignorant to claim Henry's been the best ever, bullshit.
What a ridiculous thread. Berbatov has been in the Prem for one season. One season.
Henry is probably the best player the Premiership has seen.
So who do you regard as having been or is better than Henry in the Premiership?
Did you start watching football since 2002 or somehting?
So so ignorant to claim Henry's been the best ever, bullshit.
Blinkers aside mate, Cantona was/is not better than Henry, Giggs spent a significant part of his early career injured to fully leave a lasting imprint, and as for Shearer, he was just about goals and plus he had more seasons to prove himself than Henry. Mind you Henry scored 174 premiership goals since 1999King Eric and Giggsy should definetly be ahead of him.
Shearer also has a case but i'd probably put Henry ahead of him as he's actually contributed to 2 of Arsenals title wins.
The phrase 'all competitions' is generally acknowedged as meaning all competitive games - domestic and European - for a particular club, as I'm sure you know well.you're the one who used the stats for ALL COMPETITIONS, so don't accuse me of 'sneaking in international goals' unless you're a hypocrite. ...
Scoring from penalties is nowhere near as difficult as scoring from open play - all the stats show this beyond any doubt.... I don't have the stats on how many penalties he took, but penalties are also goals, and for some strikers they're more difficult to score because of the mental pressure involved. ...
No excuse is needed, Berbatov's figures are impressive enough. The fact he achieved them without scoring penalties just makes them more impressive... If Berbatov is good enough to take pens, why doesn't he? It's a pathetic excuse to say he didn't score pens. ...
It's got feck all to do with blinkers man, King Eric transformed our side, without him we would never have won as many league titles as we have, even Sir Alex acknowledged that in a past interview.Blinkers aside mate, Cantona was/is not better than Henry, Giggs spent a significant part of his early career injured to fully leave a lasting imprint
A similar case can be made for Arsenal's success with regards to Henry especially at a time when the competition with United was a lot harder.It's got feck all to do with blinkers man, King Eric transformed our side, without him we would never have won as many league titles as we have, even Sir Alex acknowledged that in a past interview.
Giggsy merits his place as one of all time premiership greats BUT he is not a headline grabber. Never underestimate the impact Henry had on the premiership even though he was only here for about 8 years.As for Giggs, you're placing a bit too much emphasis on the word significant, we're talking about a man here who has played almost 600 games in the premiership and has won 9 league titles.
Berbatov's 12 league goals versus Henry's 10 goals in the league is very impressive even though Berbatov has played at least double the number of games Henry has, you are even more deluded than Liverpool fansThe phrase 'all competitions' is generally acknowedged as meaning all competitive games - domestic and European - for a particular club, as I'm sure you know well.
It doesn't normally mean internationals as well, and nor did you say that you'd included international goals when you made your post about Henry's '20 goal' tally. It was left for others to uncover this.
Scoring from penalties is nowhere near as difficult as scoring from open play - all the stats show this beyond any doubt.
No excuse is needed, Berbatov's figures are impressive enough. The fact he achieved them without scoring penalties just makes them more impressive.
He doesn't take penalties because we already have two designated penalty takers, normally Defoe or Keane, and they both score 8 or 9 times out of 10. So if it ain't broke why fix it? It's got nothing to do with your silly suggestion that Berbatov is not 'good enough'.
Why do you insist on trying to mislead people? Can't you rely on honest discussion?What I don't get is that a striker scores 23 goals and has 15 assists in all competitions in a season and all over sudden he is the best ? ....
Be interesting to know who he scored those 12 against. He didn't score against top 4 in the league as far as I remember. I'll bet they were all against Wigans or Charltons.Berbatov's 12 league goals versus Henry's 10 goals in the league is very impressive even though Berbatov has played at least double the number of games Henry has, you are even more deluded than Liverpool fans
Eto'odinho was correct!
I have already given my answer, look for it somewhere above this post. In another thread you considered Berbatov to be better than Rooney, and now Henry. This doesn't really leave an awful lot of options for other strikers who could be considered as being better than Berbatov in the premiership.So in short this was just an indirect way of you saying that Berbatov was the best in the prem in 2006/07Why do you insist on trying to mislead people? Can't you rely on honest discussion?
Nobody has said that Berbatov 'is the best' (what do you mean anyway - the best in the world? the best in Europe? the best in the Prem? the best in North London?).
This thread is about Henry and Berbatov - not the entire global set of strikers - and who would be the better signing now ... not 3 seasons ago with Henry at his peak, but now.
OK, you're limiting it to the Prem, so at least that makes things clearer, but even there I've never said that Berbatov is the best in the Prem right now - Drogba for one must be a strong contender for that accolade.I have already given my answer, look for it somewhere above this post. In another thread you considered Berbatov to be better than Rooney, and now Henry. This doesn't really leave an awful lot of options for other strikers who could be considered as being better than Berbatov in the premiership.So in short this was just an indirect way of you saying that Berbatov was the best in the prem in 2006/07
The complete striker Berbatov - 12 goals in 33 games.Did you guys even bother to read GlastonSpurs post properly?
Seems a lot of people are just picking Henry because of past achievements....
Right now, there's no doubt Berbatov would be the better choice to pick, he's 26 and is the complete striker. Henry's been dogged by injuries all season and is 30 in August, it would be a real risk taking him.
He also tried to argue with me that Bale is better than Heinze and that SAF would swap Giggs for Lennon right now.You are wasting your time debating the obvious with Glaston, he is even of the belief that Berbatov is better than Rooney.
I wouldn't expect you'd get much support on a Spurs board. When I lampooned your over-rating of Berbatov by tagging him The Best Player in the World I didn't realise quite how far gone you were.I don't expect much support (if any) for that view on a United board, but there you go.
You make some good points, some of which I agree with and some I don't... I could do this all day, but that's enough. I feel I'm being dragged into this lunacy too much as it is.
Drogba had a fine 06/07 season BUT then again he is not better than HenryOK, you're limiting it to the Prem, so at least that makes things clearer, but even there I've never said that Berbatov is the best in the Prem right now - Drogba for one must be a strong contender for that accolade.
I don't know both Wayne and Berbatov are strikers and to a large extent the comparison is justified.Berbatov being better than Wayne on the basis of one season?come on, Rooney gets played so many times out of position and he still managed to score the same number of goals as your out and out striker and even outscored him in the premiership.You are clutching at straws mate, remove your blinkers and see the footballing world the way it actually is.As for Rooney, I've said that he's a very different type of player to Berbatov, so comparisons are a bit like comparing apples with oranges. But yes, for me whilst they are pretty close in overall ability I'd say that Berbatov maybe just shades it.
I don't expect much support (if any) for that view on a United board, but there you go.