was awsome for the reserves.
linked up really good with diouf
linked up really good with diouf
Gabriel Obertan | 2009/10 Performances
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The problem is he's struggled to replicate his form from the toulon tournament right before we signed him. We're yet to see the best of what he has to offer and of course that tournament was against other young players so I'm sure that helped with the physicality issue.
I think he has a good talent for running with the ball at pace and he makes sensible passes but the rest of his game doesnt look close to special. Still, with hard work and gradual development theres no reason he cant be as good a winger as the likes of Valencia or better. Its just going to take time and he isnt as talented as some of the other young wingers we've had in recent years.
Who are these "other young wingers"?
He means Ronaldo, just didn't want to say it. Everyones been deluded of the fact that Ronnie is a player that will come about only once a decade and it seems the fans have too much expectations of every young player that seems to come up through the ranks or the players brought from abroad.
You dont remember?
Ronaldo
I think he means Ronaldo
Gabby has great potential but at the moment that's all it is. We need to be patient and support him and I'm sure he'll reward us by developing and showing us his undoubted ability.
He looked a tad nervous today which made it difficult for him to impose himself on the game. It's understandable though because even experienced pro's struggle when Goodison is as boisterous as it was today, let alone a young kid who hasn't made too many appearances at the top level.
He'll learn a great deal from today, and I'm sure it will stand him in good stead for when he's next called upon by Fergie. All young uns go through the learning process as we saw with Rafael's error the other night, we just have to be understanding and continue to encourage them.
So Ekeke's making the point that Obertan isn't as talented as Ronaldo?
Not as talented as someone who score 100 goals for us, en route to becoming the BPITW?
Well gee, you don't say...
Not as talented as someone who score 100 goals for us, en route to becoming the BPITW?
Well gee, you don't say...
One of several points. And I said players. It should be obvious I meant Ronaldo and Nani.
Or are you still convinced Nani isnt all that talented?
What a stupid question.
Yes, I think Nani's talented.
He's also 4 years older than Obertan.
Yes, I think Nani's talented.
He's also 4 years older than Obertan.
Age is just a number
He may not have made an impact today but not a lot of players performed today
4 years? Nani is 2 years and 3 months older than him.
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He's not though is he. And at 21 he showed he had more to his game than just running with the ball and making sideways passes. He showed a very dangerous shot and an ability to put in some fantastic crosses. Talent in all areas for a winger, unless you're Ronaldo/Krasic in which case heading is also the talent of a winger.
Obertan may end up just being a ball runner and a decent passer. Only time will tell. But when he came to us he needed huge work on his shooting and some improvement on his crossing. I havent seen much evidence to suggest he's improved in those areas.
How much have you seen of him? Cos to be fair to the lad you cannot really give the be all & end all opinion of him after 11 games for the club. So to say you've not really seen much evidence, isn't really a fair opinion for someone who has been at the club less than a year & making only a handful of appearances.
Today he played only around 20 odd mins and like i said before no one put in a great performance
I saw barely any of him in France, but watched all his matches at the Toulon tournament in the summer where he was named most valuable player of the tournament and was quite happy when we signed him. Probably happier than most others as either they hadnt seen him yet or they were French and doubting he'd be a star for us because of a dissappointing season in Ligue 1 last time around.
I knew he needed a lot of work in some areas though. Particularly his finishing. I figured he was a good player and easily a lot of value for the small amount we paid for him but it was Ljajic I was expecting to come over and be the true talent... Unfortunately thats not what happened.
Obertan's got a lot of talent, but he's far from a finished product. He turns 21 in 6 days, so although he's still quite young, he really should be above the Reserves level.
I think his best performance for us so far was when he came off the bench against Wolfsburg. He made 2 assists - the first of which was truly amazing.
People shouldn't expect too much of him this season, after all, he's coming off a major injury and is still working on his fitness. To write him off at this point is idiotic.
I think his best performance for us so far was when he came off the bench against Wolfsburg. He made 2 assists - the first of which was truly amazing.
People shouldn't expect too much of him this season, after all, he's coming off a major injury and is still working on his fitness. To write him off at this point is idiotic.
Personally, i've never been a huge fan of Obertan. Hopefully for him, this year will help him to settle here and make some progress. He arrived injured and has not played that much so far. But he'll have to raise his game to another level if he does not want to do another "Bellion" and come back to France in a sh*t team...
My point was he's been at the club less than a year and had a few games, you don't need to bring out the bs line of "oh well he's not developed as i hoped". It takes a good few years for Fergies effect to come true on a player.
Move on.
I didnt have any hopes of how he'd develop. I did expect him to show the stuff he already showed he could do at the tournament right before we signed him though. Few people would want us to sign a player and for him to play at less than his full ability.
Its funny how you support only players that you like more.
Some people really are an embarrassment. After all the years in which Fergie has been able to nurture players through you'd think you lot would give some of these youngsters a chance. Obertan has the talent. That is why he is here. He clearly doesn't have the know how or maturity. This will come. He is 20 FFS. If he is still shit in 3-4 years or isn't here anymore then by all means complain.
I'm not sure about this lad to be honest. He has tremendous skill, now and again, but the amount of times he gives the ball away is frightening.
This is the caf John.
Still really very young. Having talent is more important at this age, because the other areas can be developed in training.
He clearly needs to bulk up pronto.
He could come good alright. He has the skills and he has the ability. Personally I'm just not banking on him, that's all!!
I think it will be very hard for him to endear himself to a lot of United fans.
The only negative I see in him at the moment is he looks too much like Silvestre and lets just say I wasn't a big fan of Silvestre's looks. Also he was just bought for £2M so there won't be a lot of pressure for him to perform in the short term, which will certainly benefit him.
I didn't realise it was only 2m.
I am sorry it was £3M. But my previous statement still stands true.
Before this spurt of form, Wayne Rooney gave the ball away more than a pushover child.
Not much I can say other than there's so much spastic in this thread my eyes burn of idiocracy... A month ago, it's all about Obertan > Nani and Valencia... Now, he's not even in a shout?
Where's Brwneds backtracking notes on people when you need them !?
Anyone in particular who is backtracking?
You have some nerve to call others spastics and then start off with a comment like that. Sonny, go the feck to bed already...
Sadly this is the problem with most united fans. They compare a lad with potential like Obertan to an exceptional talent like Rooney, or Ronaldo. They look at Diouf, call him the one (ok, clearly a joke) and start to believe in the hype without realizing that most of the young players we have bought in the last year aren't exceptional talent. They are potentials. With a lot of hard graft and self belief they might make the grade but the odds are they probably won't. To ride the high horse and make believe that these boys are world beaters after a few reserve games just shows how much you buy into the message board hype.
Call a spade a spade. Obertans a good prospect with a lot of raw ability. He's clearly not ready yet, and playing him in a tough game does his development no favors. There is no harm in letting him bulk up with the reserves for the rest of the season and giving him another shot to stake his claim next year in some of the minor competitions. Before he made the move to united he was quoted as saying he didn't expect to start. His own coach was suprised we made the move for him, and lets face it, if we had the cash do you think we would have bought 2-3 million players like Diouf or Obertan, or cashed in on someone like Jovetic, Silva or the links who would have cost two and three times as much.
We've been bargin shopping since the Berbatov purchase and while I still trust SAF to buy the odd gem, I'm under no illusion that when you buy cheap half the time you get what you pay for.
I can't be arsed to look but Brwned is usually the pro with these analysis'
Basically it's in general too, I hate a mate today call Obertan "Utter gash", where on his facebook profile he had a bloody picture of Obertan from earlier in the season.
I can't be arsed to look but Brwned is usually the pro with these analysis'
Basically it's in general too, I hate a mate today call Obertan "Utter gash", where on his facebook profile he had a bloody picture of Obertan from earlier in the season.
I think its silly too. So I try to be consistant even if I'm wrong. Obertan is the perfect example. I was happy we signed him at a bargain price right after the impressive displays he put in at the Toulon tournament. When he started to get a few games for the first team and had that lovely turn and skill against Wolfsburg I didnt get carried away by it. And now when he's not doing too much when he gets the chance in the first team I'm not getting carried away with that either. He'll come good in his own time but he's not likely to be as good as Ronaldo or Nani because he's simply not as talented as them in my opinion. But I would have said that before we signed him or after the Wolfsburg game just the same.
This thread is embarrassing.
Disagree with that. Young players can learn even more from a bad performance than a good one. Obertan earned his shot at first-team football - just like Macheda did against Villa around this time last season - by putting in a fantastic performance for our reserves. The vast majority of 'tards on here slagging him off didn't see him put in a MOTM peformances two days ago, in the same side as a regular first-teamer, Anderson. Obertan ripped Everton's reserves to pieces last Thursday night. Fergie was there, hence he decided to give him a chance.
Turns out he didn't make anything like the impact Macheda did, not least because Moyes counteracted Fergie's subs perfectly and Everton kicked our arse for the final quarter of the game. None of which was Obertan's fault. The fact remains, he earned his chance and learning about the difference between excelling for our reserves and playing against top PL opposition is a crucial part of any young player's development.
We have seen a lot of promising talents in the past. Some looked pretty average at first but improved alot after wards (ex Fletch) while other took United by surprise (ex Scholes, Ronaldo and Giggs). Obertan is different. He is pretty good in certain things (dribbling, running etc) and hopeless in others (finishing and crossing). No wonder why he was praised/criticized so much in France. He is a promising boy but with Giggs growing old we need men on the left.
He finished superbly for the reserves on Thursday (although the goal was disallowed for offside)
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