I can see SAF here for another 5 years
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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Mate top 5 in the world. I should of been clearer but I think there's no one that mad on these forums to assume we are a sixth place EPL squad...
Based on what then? Go on, if it's a horror show let's hear your opinion instead of leeching off other people.
The whole post was a horror show but I'm liking your reaction to the worst bit.
Even then. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea (debatable but I'm not convinced), Inter (debatable but I'm not convinced). Go on who else has a better squad than us?
As for Fergie staying I see no reason why if his health is good he won't stay a bit longer. I think 2-3 years maybe. He certainly has a passion for what he does. That won't suddenly go away.
Bobby Robson was 72 when he was sacked by Newcastle. Bernie Ecclestone is a prime example as well. Turned 80 last week, fit as a fiddle and still going around running formula 1 with a passion. Guys like Fergie etc. won't just stop what they are doing I don't think. If Fergie wanted a break I think he'd have retired a long time ago. Health is the only reason I can see him leaving.
Bobby Robson was 72 when he was sacked by Newcastle. Bernie Ecclestone is a prime example as well. Turned 80 last week, fit as a fiddle and still going around running formula 1 with a passion. Guys like Fergie etc. won't just stop what they are doing I don't think. If Fergie wanted a break I think he'd have retired a long time ago. Health is the only reason I can see him leaving.
At one of his first Madrid press conferences he said it's not that important - "you get more points for one win, than two draws."wtf!
didn't know that
It does tell you something about his teams though, they'll throw everything at a game if they have to - a very traditional United characteristic. How many teams could you say that about?
fair enough, thought you'd got your mouth and arsehole confused.
i'd probs still put us in the top 5 worldwide but wouldnt be as outraged if people thought we were outside that now.
I think it will be so interesting to see the first lean spell with a new manager after SAF leaves. If its someone like Mourinho then the fans will give him time, but if its someone a bit more lowkey like Moyes the spastics would be out after 2 loses calling for his head ala citey!!
It may be true that he has not worked with one team for a long period of time. But to do what he has done with every team so far is brilliant. It is not easy to just walk into a team regardless of its strength and still win titles in your first year - Chelsea and Inter. He finds a way to gel his players together even in the first game like he has been with the team for like 5 years.
And like Roy at Pool, it is a fair point.
I guess it has to be Jose.
The only other type of manager who could fit the bill would be someone who has taken a small club to big triumphs, like SAF did with Aberdeen.
I'd love to see Steve Bruce back at OT but the only, only, way that would happen is if he got Sunderland into the Europa league this season and won it the next, then I could see him getting the job, no probs. Realistically, unfortunately, that is never going to happen.
Of the other frontrunners, none of them have won anything at all And I don't count O'Neil with Celtic because anyone managing Rangers or Celtic is going to win the Scottish league sooner or later. If he'd of won in Europe maybe, otherwise no way...
Don't forget, also, that when SAF came to OT United hadn't won the league for almost 20 years. Anyone coming to OT now would have to contend with the legacy of the last 20 years.
I don't much like Mourinho, but I can't see who else could fill SAF's boots tbh...
The only other type of manager who could fit the bill would be someone who has taken a small club to big triumphs, like SAF did with Aberdeen.
I'd love to see Steve Bruce back at OT but the only, only, way that would happen is if he got Sunderland into the Europa league this season and won it the next, then I could see him getting the job, no probs. Realistically, unfortunately, that is never going to happen.
Of the other frontrunners, none of them have won anything at all And I don't count O'Neil with Celtic because anyone managing Rangers or Celtic is going to win the Scottish league sooner or later. If he'd of won in Europe maybe, otherwise no way...
Don't forget, also, that when SAF came to OT United hadn't won the league for almost 20 years. Anyone coming to OT now would have to contend with the legacy of the last 20 years.
I don't much like Mourinho, but I can't see who else could fill SAF's boots tbh...
I'd like to see Redknapp given a chance. He has proven to be pretty good in the transfer market. Could stay for a good few years also! But I think he will take the England job. But if not Redknapp then Mourinho. Some other manager will have emerged by the time Fergie calls it a day that we will all be waking over but Harry and Jose would be my favs right now!
Yes, let's hire a manager that's based in the cayman islands, no harm can come of hiring the man who brought Pompey to there knee's, especially in our financial situation...
I can understand your thinking but you'd still have to take a step back and look at the cold hard facts.
Has he won a league before? No.
Has he even been involved in a league title race? No.
Has he ever taken a team beyond the last 16 in the Champions League? No.
Has he even played in the group stage of the Champions League? No.
Has he any Champions League experience whatsoever?! No.
This is the Manchester United Manager Job. The first time in 24 years (and counting), it has become availible. I would put my house on the fact that there is no a single manager in world football that could turn it down. The most unlikely to take the job is Arsene Wenger, for obvious reasons but I would even imagine that he would jump at the chance to take this job.
We won't be looking at Steve Bruce. We won't be looking at David Moyes and we certainly won't be looking at Mark Hughes.
We will look for at managers with a number of criteria.
1. Experience in a title race. Probably someone who has taken a, or a number of, team(s) to a League Title. The minimum would be a manager who has at least come close to winning a league (Premier, La Liga or Serie A).
2. Champions League Experience. There's actually only a very short list of Managers still active that have actually won the Champions League so if you were to draw up a shortlist you'd have to include Managers that have experience in Europe, who understand how to take a team at least through the group stage. Take a look at how dangerous it can be without that experience, look no further than Harry Redknapp who had a very sharp learning curve when he took his talented team away to Switzerland in the qualifiers this season and found out that 4-4-2 away from home is suicide.
That may be a very brash and obvious example but there are many, many finer points that Managers learn with experience. We're not a club that should once again spend a period with a Manager that needs time to gain that learning curve.
3. Age. Something that is certainly open to debate. We're a club that has had a single manager for 24 years. I know alot of people are expecting another "young" Manager that will form their legacy at the club over time, much like Ferguson has done. Has time changed too much for that though? Personally I wouldn't be too upset if we had Mourinho here working his magic for 3 or 4 years becaue I think he could win alot in that time and set us on the right track after the inevitable destabalising event of Ferguson's departure. I know alot of people would rather see a manager who could garentuee us he'd stick around for at least ten years and try to build something.
So how many managers fit these brackets? I can think of two.
Jose Mourinho, who is the standout candidate due to his success in the Premier League and his success at two other clubs where he won both the League and Champions League.
Pep Guardiola. I overlooked him earlier on in this post when I mentioned Wenger as the most unlikely to take the mantle at Old Trafford. Guardiola is at a successful club where he had a similar career to Giggs so it would be very difficult to get him.
Thats my take on the situation in a nutshell. In all honesty, right now, I am just so greatful Ferguson is still here. We really don;t know just how lucky we really are.
Who is more obsessed? Elvis with Mourinho or Twigginater with Blanc? 
Mourinho not good enough for United 
Took the words out of my mouth.Mourinho not good enough for United
Where is the " Not good enough for United" brigade?
To be fair, I don't see a better candidate around than Mourinho. HOWEVER, a lot of people seem to be assuming that Mourinho will drop everything wherever he is (whether it is at Real Madrid or somewhere else) to come and manage United. If we can't compete with the likes of Real and Barcelona for some of the best players in the world, why should we believe that we will be able to compete with other big clubs when it comes to recruiting world class managers (especially in the Glazer era)?
Because it's the first time in 24 years this job has come up.
On a purely egot level, unlike every other job in football that has had at least 10 managers in the last 24 years, you'd have a chance to put yourself in the spotlight and take on the biggest job in Football. If it isn't now, it will be when Ferguson retires.
Let's get all Chef on this and compare it to a beautiful woman
1. Is stunning, but everyones had a go on her.
2. Is also stunning but has just come out of a long term relationship where everyone has wanted to have a go on her but shes been so devoted to her husband, she's unavailible.
Everyone dreams of getting with 2. People only have a fleeting fantasy of 1.
Maybe I'm just cynical, but I think ultimately money is going to decide whether Jose comes to us or not.Because it's the first time in 24 years this job has come up.
On a purely egot level, unlike every other job in football that has had at least 10 managers in the last 24 years, you'd have a chance to put yourself in the spotlight and take on the biggest job in Football. If it isn't now, it will be when Ferguson retires.
Let's get all Chef on this and compare it to a beautiful woman
1. Is stunning, but everyones had a go on her.
2. Is also stunning but has just come out of a long term relationship where everyone has wanted to have a go on her but shes been so devoted to her husband, she's unavailible.
Everyone dreams of getting with 2. People only have a fleeting fantasy of 1.
By the way, I know Fergie is extremely well paid - but does anyone know who the top paid football manager in the world is?
Mourinho
I don't think that will be a problem, we can afford Rooney's package, I'm sure we can afford to match Mourinho's package.
So number 2 is just a hooker on a long term lease
which is just one of the reasons why you're posting rubbish on an internet forum and not running top flight football clubs
Jose no brainer
no brainer
young, scottish, not a utter failure, has brought through some youth at everton....I don't begrudge anyone who has a romantic inkling of wanting to bring moyes as the successor, but the fact is he is a massive step behind jose.
Here's a left field choice, Giggs/Scholes/Neville managerial partnership...or perm any one or two from 3...
They must fulfil all the criteria as far as experience is concerned and if Guardiola can do it at Barca, why not at United?
Is this totally mad...any opinions?
I'll leave my coat on the peg just for now...but I've got my eye on it just in case I need to get it in a hurry...
Nice stuff regarding Moyes from Ian Holloway in this morning's Independent.
Ian Holloway: I enjoy chess match with Moyes, who must be next United manager - News & Comment, Football - The Independent
I like David Moyes and although he will be one of the favorites to replace Sir Alex, I hope he does not get anywhere near the job. In fact, the only managers I would want to replace Sir Alex are Ancelotti or Guardiola (not happening) or Jose.
I have nothing against Moyes, he has done a terrific job at Everton, with limited funds and bringing youth through the ranks, and as Holloway points out, he is similar to SAF in many ways. But what he has not done is he has not won any trophies, he has not broken into or challenged the top-4 on a consistent basis, he has no experience of CL football and he has zero experience of managing world-class players.
Mourinho ticks all the boxes. The biggest reservation I have is the manner he plays football, but his teams have always scored goals and at times it is unfair to brand his teams as 'boring'.
Most importantly, Mourinho has the arrogance to walk into OT and tell the players 'I'm the boss, and I'm going to win more than the last guy did'. That is not being disrepectful to Sir Alex, in my opinion, we need a manager who has the arrogance and the balls to take on Sir Alex's empire and ensure it does not stagnate or ensure the fans/players do not dwell on the past. We need a manager who walks in and respects what Sir Alex and Sir Matt have done for this club, but then stamps his own authority on the club. Out of all the managers, only Jose has the arrogance to do that.
And although he has the arrogance to try to beat what Sir Alex has accomplished at OT (for the record, I don't think anyone can match, let alone beat Sir Alex's achievements) I think he respects the club's history and tradition and realises it is a 'special club'.
Back to David Moyes. He is a very good manager, but just because he has done very well for Everton does not make him United standard, what is a very good achievement for Everton is usually a mediocre achievement for Utd. For a nice comparison of what I mean, look at Hodgson and his struggles at Liverpool. Although their squad is average, it's at least on par with Fulham's squad, but what was deemed good results by Fulham's standards, they are unacceptable at Liverpool. Look at all the criticism Hodgson gets from the Liverpool fans, Moyes will likely be the same if he is appointed Utd manager and if he doesn't perform from day 1.
As Mourinho said, "the Manchester United job is special and only a special manager is good enough to take the job on if and when it does become available." At the moment, there is only one special manager who can take up that challenge and succeed.
I have nothing against Moyes, he has done a terrific job at Everton, with limited funds and bringing youth through the ranks, and as Holloway points out, he is similar to SAF in many ways. But what he has not done is he has not won any trophies, he has not broken into or challenged the top-4 on a consistent basis, he has no experience of CL football and he has zero experience of managing world-class players.
Mourinho ticks all the boxes. The biggest reservation I have is the manner he plays football, but his teams have always scored goals and at times it is unfair to brand his teams as 'boring'.
Most importantly, Mourinho has the arrogance to walk into OT and tell the players 'I'm the boss, and I'm going to win more than the last guy did'. That is not being disrepectful to Sir Alex, in my opinion, we need a manager who has the arrogance and the balls to take on Sir Alex's empire and ensure it does not stagnate or ensure the fans/players do not dwell on the past. We need a manager who walks in and respects what Sir Alex and Sir Matt have done for this club, but then stamps his own authority on the club. Out of all the managers, only Jose has the arrogance to do that.
And although he has the arrogance to try to beat what Sir Alex has accomplished at OT (for the record, I don't think anyone can match, let alone beat Sir Alex's achievements) I think he respects the club's history and tradition and realises it is a 'special club'.
Back to David Moyes. He is a very good manager, but just because he has done very well for Everton does not make him United standard, what is a very good achievement for Everton is usually a mediocre achievement for Utd. For a nice comparison of what I mean, look at Hodgson and his struggles at Liverpool. Although their squad is average, it's at least on par with Fulham's squad, but what was deemed good results by Fulham's standards, they are unacceptable at Liverpool. Look at all the criticism Hodgson gets from the Liverpool fans, Moyes will likely be the same if he is appointed Utd manager and if he doesn't perform from day 1.
As Mourinho said, "the Manchester United job is special and only a special manager is good enough to take the job on if and when it does become available." At the moment, there is only one special manager who can take up that challenge and succeed.
Let me get this straight - you're basing Mourinho's suitability on a quote from Mourinho himself, while dismissing Moyes as 'not United standard' despite the fact that Alex Ferguson (who one would assume might know a bit or two about 'United standard') has apparently endorsed Moyes' candidacy?
Nice logic there.
No I'm basing Mourinho's suitability on his record as Inter, Chelsea and Porto manager. I have dismissed Moyes as I think Mourinho would be a far better candidate and it's clear he wants the job. The Mourinho quote sums up how I feel about the person who needs to replace Sir Alex, and that is they have to be a very very good manager (or special). Moyes does not fall into that category.
Correct...
He's hardly using the quote to say Mourinho is the right guy, simply saying that what Mourinho said encapsulates what he, and many other people, feel - that we can't just go for any promising manager, we need someone who is proven to be one of the best in the world.
As for Moyes having Ferguson's backing, I believe Ferguson made that comment a good 6 or 7 years ago. Back when Mourinho was still at Porto. Since then Mourinho has gone from success to success both domestically and in europe, while Moyes has yo-yo'd in and out of the UEFA Cup spots. If Fergie has made more recent comments I'd like to see them, but as far as I know the media have just recycled what he said way back then.
How is Moyes meant to prove himself capable of winning trophies until a trophy-winning club gives him a chance(no disrespect to Everton)?
It's an unfair criticism IMO, it's like Porto not taking a chance on Mourinho when they did due to him not winning trophies. Trophies aren't the only currency in which success can be measured, Moyes work at Everton is probably the equivalent of 2-3 trophies at a top 4 club. Most people are too busy wanking themselves dry over Mourinho to realise this.
I'm not saying Moyes should succeed SAF, just that he deserves a crack at a top job soon and he should be considered along with Mourinho and whoever else is in the running when the United job comes up.
It's an unfair criticism IMO, it's like Porto not taking a chance on Mourinho when they did due to him not winning trophies. Trophies aren't the only currency in which success can be measured, Moyes work at Everton is probably the equivalent of 2-3 trophies at a top 4 club. Most people are too busy wanking themselves dry over Mourinho to realise this.
I'm not saying Moyes should succeed SAF, just that he deserves a crack at a top job soon and he should be considered along with Mourinho and whoever else is in the running when the United job comes up.
Like I said earlier. They won't win leagues but certainly Everton are good enough to win cups. His tactics in the FA cup final were shocking.
Mourinho has a damn sight more trophies than 2-3 at every side he's been at.
As has been said many times, everton could get regular European football and win cups, but as it happens Moyes isn't good enough for a top side.
Ugh... I just had a thought about how sucky it would be to go through managers all the time... Especially seeing as some of us, like me, were age 1 or whatever when he came to the club, or maybe just a glint in the milkman's eye. It'd be so weird :|
I agree with that. He needs to take the step up from Everton. But the truly top teams are more than just one step up, we're up a flight of stairs, hop in an elevator and ride up to the penthouses.
If it weren't for the Liverpool-Everton rivalry I'd be saying he should've got that job rather than Hodgson, or go for it if Hodgson is sacked. They're a couple of steps up, but at this point in time they'd be happy just to consolidate themselves back into the top four. But I can't see that happening because of the rivalry, so if I were him I'd be eyeing off the Spurs job when Harry leaves. A stronger club with a better squad of players and fairly good financial backing, it's the kind of club where he could prove himself and then a few years later take the final step up to the big time.
I understand your point, however I remember not being that excited about SAF being appointed, although he had done well in Scotland. Moyes has about as much appeal as SAF did back in 86. At the moment Jose is probably the best manager out there, although I quite often didn't like the way Chelsea played, Jose gets a bit extra from many players, but then Everton quite often perform better than you would expect considering the players they have. To be honest the next manager is on a loser, win and its SAF legacy, lose and he has stuffed up SAFs legacy, better to be the manager after that I think.
Erm...
Porto (2002–2004)
2003 Portuguese Liga
2003 Portuguese Cup
2003 UEFA Cup
2003 Portuguese Super Cup
2004 Portugese Liga
2004 UEFA Champions League
Chelsea (2004–2007)
2005 FA Premier League
2005 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2006 FA Premier League
2007 League Cup
2007 FA Cup
Internazionale (2008–2010)
2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2009 Serie A
2010 Serie A
2010 Coppa Italia
2010 UEFA Champions League
Yes, I think he's good enough.
Pretty shite? They lost the title by 2 points (Would have lost it on GD had Bolton not scored in the last minute) and came within an inch (literally) of being crowned European Champions.
At Inter he's left Benitez with the reigning Italian and European Champions, I'm sure Benitez didn't walk in and find himself disappointed at what he'd been left with.
I can undestand certain reservations about Mourinho, but stuff like this is just a load of bollocks, really.
Interesting, don't watch a huge amount of Everton (Aside from when they're on live TV and highlights on MOTD), but of course we all know they're not a thrilling side. Which makes the likes of Baldwin and others a wee bit hypocritical considering one of their main reasons for not wanting Mourinho to take over is the fact they think his sides play boring football.