Barcelona will unlock the door eventually if you play half court as Arsenal did last night. I think you've got to harry, push your full backs on, attack and beat them 7-6.
Best Club Team Ever
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That Milan is probably the most serious candidate in modern time football to dispute a place with Barça in that title.
That said I don't think anyone can be sure of how it would go, it's 20 years apart. Both were the best during their time, not much else that can be said that isn't tremendously hypothetical.
That Milan is probably the most serious candidate in modern time football to dispute a place with Barça in that title.
That said I don't think anyone can be sure of how it would go, it's 20 years apart. Both were the best during their time, not much else that can be said that isn't tremendously hypothetical.
Barcelona have never defended the European cup, eight teams have won and then gone on to defend that trophy (some more than once) so for me whilst Barcelona are a fantastic side they still have some way to go to be considered one of footballs greatest ever teams.
and just for the record i think Barcelona will draw Shaktar in the near future and i believe Shaktar will win!!
and just for the record i think Barcelona will draw Shaktar in the near future and i believe Shaktar will win!!
The European Champions Cup and European Champions League are two different animals. I really don't think you can compare both competitions in those terms, just have a look at the average playing field a team had to overtake in the ECC to win it and compare it with nowadays.
Football has evolved and this particular competition has changed a lot, I think we should just remember the greatest when they were the greatest and just that. These "best player ever" and "bets team ever" end up just being about personal preferences, as it's totally impossible to be objective with so many complex variables at stake.
Football has evolved and this particular competition has changed a lot, I think we should just remember the greatest when they were the greatest and just that. These "best player ever" and "bets team ever" end up just being about personal preferences, as it's totally impossible to be objective with so many complex variables at stake.
Can't agree.They have to be up there with the best.It's a damn sight harder to defend the trophy now than it was.
that´s no excuse for the "best team ever" though.
Never said it was, but you said they had some way to go which is way off the mark.
also i have to say, this old excuse of "it´s harder to defend now" whilst partly true is also a bit of an insult to teams from before the champions league existed because for me there was a lot more good sides back then because a lot of the lesser teams could still keep some of their best players back then because not so many players moved abroad for monetry reasons and that meant that even the champions of the lesser european countries could still put out a decent side.
i did also say "for me" they are not the best, they may well become the best but "for me" they still have to dominate for a few more years to come to convince me so i still do think they have "some way"
Chelsea at Nou Camp in 2009 was how you must play against them.
People seem to think we're not allowed to dislike Barcelona. Of course we are and as United fans it's only natural we should
They've won two leagues, a single champions league and some domestic cups ffs.
No where near the best side ever.
No where near the best side ever.
A team with more pace in attack probably would of done alot better. Walcott probably could of been a good outlet, providing he could control the ball once or twice.
I sure would be jealous if Barcelona were an English team. Luckily we only get to compete occasionally in Europe. A plus point for me having a soft spot for Barcelona has been my dislike for Real Madrid.
Then you'd lose defensive cover which is not one of Walcotts attributes. It's a difficult balance.
When it comes to the style and the football only, it's by far the best "football" (club and national teams) team I've ever watched.The rest will be determined by the amount of trophies they can amass while they have this golden generation
In my fantasy world walcott would of been used as the 'out' player like you used Ronaldo a few years back. van Persie wouldn't of started. (in my fantasy world)
If we got drawn against them I'd be less confident than when we got drawn against the Madrid side with Figo, Ronaldo, Zidane and Raul. Or if we'd had to play 90s Milan. Or when we used to play late 80s Liverpool. All those teams, I'd have held a small hope of an upset. This Barca side would pummel our current midfield, and the margin would be by anything between 2 or 6 goals
Personally, I think while English football is clearly where we compete on a week to week basis, United is one of the giant clubs in world football and hence it also competes for European dominance. So in a sense the top teams in Europe do become it's mini rivals in a way IMO.
Having said that the intensity I feel for those rivals is very miniscule.
As for their style, I have to say it creates a lot of biases in terms of 'better'. I can certainly appreciate the level of skill involved but it's not my favorite.
Best club team ever? No... amazing hyperbole.
Well said, and the bit about their league is paramount. La Liga is a pale imitation of what it was ten years ago and Barcelona, as good as they are, have come along at a time of defined weakness in both their domestic league and in European competition.
There are no great or even good sides in the CL to contest the trophy with, yet they still went out to Inter last season, which seems to be conveniently forgotten because Arsenal went to the Nou Camp and bent over.
Barcelona display a clear weakness against teams who can sit deep and hit them on the counter with a strong forward line. Chelsea, United and Inter have all exposed this, with the Inter victory last season and Chelsea's robbery at the hand of the ref the season before being of the most importance beings as it was against Guardiola's incarnation.
Any team, even us has a chance to hit Barcelona on this very principle and if Bendtner hadn't fecked up last night, he could've won the game last night.
If Barcelona can't win through in a weak CL era, it's absurd to think of them being the best team even if they are the most aesthetically pleasing.
Barcelona don't even have back-to-back CL finals to their name, how can they possibly be annointed the best, ergo the most dominant, team to ever grace Europe?
They struggle away from home and they have been beaten heavily at the Nou Camp last season by Inter.
Even in two in a row, thus making them the first team to ever do that in the CL era, would be enough.
Bold is key. There are no grounds for them to be classed as the 'best ever' at the moment.
Juventus of the mid 90's would give this Barcelona fits. Chelsea always give them massive amounts of trouble, They would actually have their defence tested against the Madrid sides of the late 90's early 00's and United of '07/'08 would always give them a game.
They are not in Milan's class. That was a side designed to take on all-comers who did not struggle against specific styles of play and played in the hardest league Europe has ever seen when it was at it's very best.
Certainly. Based on a game where Arsenal embarrased themselves and collapsed mentally before even getting out on the pitch.
I hate that phrase. That's exactly what football is. Trying to beat you opponents in whatever manner works best. La Liga should try it they might take some points off of them every now and then.
You mean at the San Siro right ?
True enough.
Every team needs the rub of the green to be successful. Most people are citing Milan under Sacchi and Capello as the greatest team of the last 25 years. Yet had it not been for the fog in Belgrade, a goal behind and down to ten men midway through the second half, they would have in all likelihood tumbled out of the 1989 European Cup, depriving them of the legend-building thrashing of Madrid in the semi-final. Equally, it was Bayern who were generally the better team in the 1999 final, twice striking the woodwork. But irrespective of any fortune enjoyed in the final, we still view that United vintage as a great team.
Not sure their defense is anywhere near whats required to be known as the "best". Too big a weakness in comparison to some of the other great sides over the years. There's not alot in it but I think the great Milan side would have taken them over 2 legs.
Luck is very different from being unfairly helped.
But I think the Barcelona defence is pretty unorthodox Deco, on paper it's pretty light looking. Jesus man, it must be at least five times over the last few years that I've predicted that they will crumble and they haven't.
Their defence isn't up there with Milan's for sure but with Barca I think you have to take the whole team into account rather than the back four because their high pressure pressing is so vital to their defence.
Their defence isn't up there with Milan's for sure but with Barca I think you have to take the whole team into account rather than the back four because their high pressure pressing is so vital to their defence.
Really amol? You think the Milan side was never giving a few dodgy decisions in their day?
I'm not sure there was much fairness in Red Star having to replay a game they were well in control of. Getting back to this Barcelona team though, the hysterical media (they were at it again last night) have overplayed that Chelsea-Barca semi as some form of massive injustice, when at best it was a minor injustice particulary whe the balance of incorrect calls over both legs is taken into account.
I don't know.
I'm just drawing a distinction between hitting the post and having a player sent off wrongly. The former is your own fault whereas the second is, for the lack of a better word, an injustice.
I do.
The Nou Camp game sticks in the mind for Barca acting like massive cnuts and turning on the sprinklers etc as Inter celebrated their victory. Easy to forget they lost that game amidst all of Barcelona's carry on.
Oh come on, of course you know, you wouldn't have needed to watch any of their games. It's football, EVERYBODY get's dodgy decisions their way.
That's just not true. In a cup competition where the best teams usually get through the group stages fairly easy and it hinges on 6 knockout ties and 1 final, there actually isn't all that much room for things evening out. Big decisions can and do decide things.
And in that semi final IMO Chelsea were totally robbed. There will be opposing opinions but I thought so. Shouldn't the best team ever not need SO much help to win one CL?
In that SF Chelsea were robbed in the return leg but the first leg the referee made several mistakes in favor of the Chavs.Like he could have sent off Ballack for repetitive fouling
Fletcher should be sent off every game then.
Barcelona get A LOT of protection from the refs because of how they play and how they try and bully the ref. No wonder they get fouled persistently.
To win it three times in six years you will definitely get calls in your favour. It shouldn't even be up for debate, you can look at the winners of the Champions League almost every year and at one point in the knockouts go 'Jesus they were lucky there', by call of the referee or not.
Barca have nothing on the late 80s/early 90s Milan side.
That's not what I mean at all.Making several fouls is one thing but making several cynical and vicious tackles are another.Don't me make sound like the peterstorey that I'm not
Van Basten said recently that Barca are the best team ever, better than the great Milan side in the late 80s.
Given that he was the biggest star of that Milan team, he probably knows what he is talking about.
Given that he was the biggest star of that Milan team, he probably knows what he is talking about.