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I said chuck the incident but that's the part you quoted. Well done.
The point is, a foul can't lead to another foul. That's ridiculous! The ball was clearly well past Mascherano, Pique caused the situation in the first place with a foul, advantage should have been played. If Pique had fouled Ronaldo and then himself fell on Mascherano, what then?Makes no difference whether it was intentional or not.
Exactly. It's a bit like Vidic taking Evra out. You can't really blame it on the other team really.The point is, a foul can't lead to another foul. That's ridiculous! The ball was clearly well past Mascherano, Pique caused the situation in the first place with a foul, advantage should have been played. If Pique had fouled Ronaldo and then himself fell on Mascherano, what then?
You're talking daft as per.
You really need to keep up, Weaste.The point is, a foul can't lead to another foul. That's ridiculous! The ball was clearly well past Mascherano, Pique caused the situation in the first place with a foul, advantage should have been played. If Pique had fouled Ronaldo and then himself fell on Mascherano, what then?
You're talking daft as per.
When they're playing on different teams (e.g. Serbia vs France) then yeah, it would be a bit like that.Exactly. It's a bit like Vidic taking Evra out. You can't really blame it on the other team really.
That's the entire problem, Pique DID foul Ronaldo, and he called it totally wrong. Thus, he fecked up, and the goal WAS valid.As has been mentioned dozens of times already, if the ref thinks Pique fouled Ronaldo then it's a free-kick to Real Madrid.
If we go with that assumption, that Ronaldo was fouled, then the referee has two options.That's the entire problem, Pique DID foul Ronaldo, and he called it totally wrong. Thus, he fecked up, and the goal WAS valid.
that's a very good analogy.By analogy, say Ronaldo had been running clean through and gotten checked by Pique. The ref plays advantage. He keeps going in an attempt to win the ball before it gets to Valdes. Valdes is quicker and gets there just before Ronaldo who, because of being checked, loses his balance and tumbles into Valdes, causing him to spill the ball and allow Ronaldo an open goal. The ref couldn't in good conscience give that goal. He should call it back and give Ronaldo his original free kick.
No. It's exactly the same.That's quite different though, as one incident would not have been directly related to the other. Ronaldo clipped Mascherano directly because he was bundled over by Pique, Valdes was way away from the initial incident.
My argument is that Ronaldo cannot have fouled Mascherano because the contact was directly caused by him falling due to a previous foul. In essence, Pique fouled Mascherano, not Ronaldo.
What if Mascherano falls down and trips Higuain??That's quite different though, as one incident would not have been directly related to the other. Ronaldo clipped Mascherano directly because he was bundled over by Pique, Valdes was way away from the initial incident.
My argument is that Ronaldo cannot have fouled Mascherano because the contact was directly caused by him falling due to a previous foul. In essence, Pique fouled Mascherano, not Ronaldo.
Then it would be a free kick for the foul on Ronaldo, blatantly.What if Mascherano falls down and trips Higuain??
Well Madrid would still have the advantage for Ronaldo being fouled, so that's an advantage, simple.Somebody explains this new rule to me please.. If a player gets tripped, he gets the right to trip a player from the other team for free, and still have the advantage??
Advantage ends the moment Ronaldo commits a foul.Well Madrid would still have the advantage for Ronaldo being fouled, so that's an advantage, simple.
For God's sake, Ronaldo didn't commit a foul, Pique did, and Masscherano's dive through a slight clip from Ronaldo was entirely the fault of Pique.Advantage ends the moment Ronaldo commits a foul.
Which means the minimum Madrid should get is that free kick, it would also mean Piqué denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and should be shown a red.Advantage ends the moment Ronaldo commits a foul.
Yes to the first bit (assuming the ref thought Pique fouled Ronaldo - he didn't though)Which means the minimum Madrid should get is that free kick, it would also mean Piqué denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and should be shown a red.
Yes, he did.For God's sake, Ronaldo didn't commit a foul, Pique did, and Masscherano's dive through a slight clip from Ronaldo was entirely the fault of Pique.
Unless Ronaldo didn't foul Mascharano which he didn't. One there was very little contact and two the defender dived.If we go with that assumption, that Ronaldo was fouled, then the referee has two options.
a) Immediately blow for a free-kick to Barcelona.
b) Let play develop to see if Madrid gain an advantage.
If he takes that latter option, the advantage ends the moment Mascherano is taken out by Ronaldo and he should call play back to give the free-kick to Madrid.
In both scenarios the goal doesn't stand.
There was no goalscoring opportunity when Ronaldo was fouled. It was him falling onto Mascherano that made it one. Yellow would have been apt.Which means the minimum Madrid should get is that free kick, it would also mean Piqué denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and should be shown a red.
Given that logic then intention must be the key. Can it be a foul then when a player goes to challenge another player but slips before he gets there and takes the player downn, albeit unintentionally? That wouldn't be in his control either. I think it's just pragmatic not to allow them to gain an advantage from it.For God's sake, Ronaldo didn't commit a foul, Pique did, and Masscherano's dive through a slight clip from Ronaldo was entirely the fault of Pique.
Mascherano was never catching up with Higuain/the ball though, so it was a goalscoring opportunity.Yes to the first bit (assuming the ref thought Pique fouled Ronaldo - he didn't though)
Absolutely no chance to the red card. How obvious do you need it to be that there was a covering defender? Ronaldo literally fell on top of him.
I have absolutely no "passion" for Barcelona, nor any reason to be biased. Is that really so hard for people to accept?Unless Ronaldo didn't foul Mascharano which he didn't. One there was very little contact and two the defender dived.
Why have such passion for these cheating twats I have no idea. You have shown clear bias as consistently as the referee's you needn't even post because its already clear what you are going to say on every barca related issue.
How can Ronaldo foul when he was clearly brought down by Pique?
On the couple of occasions Madrid had the ball in forward positions they either got fouled but the referee missed it or Barca were given a foul for nothing.
I'm not sure about the reasons but it stinks That football cannot appear fair to neutrals like me who just like watching good football and don't mind who wins.
It makes you dislike Barca but it is not their fault. Although not perfect they tried to be more last night and most of the 'dark arts' seemed to be coming from the ref, not RM or Barca.
Which offence, exactly, prevented Higuain from getting a goal-scoring opportunity?Mascherano was never catching up with Higuain/the ball though, so it was a goalscoring opportunity.
I'm not thinking you're a closet barca fan I'm just reading the posts. I find hard to understand the view you have taken on the incident.I have absolutely no "passion" for Barcelona, nor any reason to be biased. Is that really so hard for people to accept?
I do find myself defending them a lot on here because of the overwhelming bitterness they provoke from most on here, due to a combination of Ronaldo fans throwing their lot behind Madrid and what seems to be jealousy for the team that seems to be head and shoulders the best in Europe these last few years. Which seems to piss a lot of caftards off. To be honest, I don't even watch much Spanish football. I've watched a bit more than usual this year but no more than 3 or 3 non-CL games in total. Hardly the actions of a Barca fan, eh? I don't think I could even name their first-team squad fwiw.
I absolutely agree their gamesmanship is, at times, embarrassing. I also think that every club has at least an element of this in their own team, including United. Hence I find the more extreme grand-standing to be a wee bit hypocritical. No doubt Barca are a lot worse than United in this regard but what's that they say about casting the first stone?
Who cares though? If it helps for you to think of me as a closet Barca fan, go right ahead. The content of my posts still stands. Feel free to address them.
That's an entirely different situation. In your example the ref would give a penalty for the push, not the goal.On a corner, Vidic pushes an opposition player down who bundles over VDS, the ball goes on and ends up in the back of the net while VDS is still on the ground, yet it would be the player that got pushed into VDS that is called for a foul?
Mind boggling if you believe that would be the case.
Eh? What if he didn't notice the first push? That's exactly what happened last night. I'm not arguing over anything other than the referee made a seriously bad call in not seeing the foul on Ronaldo or if he did see it not thinking that it was a foul, yet also saw a foul on Puyol that was never a foul in the first place. The goal was a valid one, the ref fecked up! That goal could have changed the entire complexion of the match.That's an entirely different situation. In your example the ref would give a penalty for the push, not the goal.
Well obviously I premised what I said on him seeing the push. If he didn't then he'd give the free kick to the keeper.Eh? What if he didn't notice the first push? That's exactly what happened last night. I'm not arguing over anything other than the referee made a seriously bad call in not seeing the foul on Ronaldo or if he did see it not thinking that it was a foul, yet also saw a foul on Puyol that was never a foul in the first place. The goal was a valid one, the ref fecked up!
Spot on. Agree 100%.I have absolutely no "passion" for Barcelona, nor any reason to be biased. Is that really so hard for people to accept?
I do find myself defending them a lot on here because of the overwhelming bitterness they provoke from most on here, due to a combination of Ronaldo fans throwing their lot behind Madrid and what seems to be jealousy for the team that seems to be head and shoulders the best in Europe these last few years. Which seems to piss a lot of caftards off. To be honest, I don't even watch much Spanish football. I've watched a bit more than usual this year but no more than 3 or 3 non-CL games in total. Hardly the actions of a Barca fan, eh? I don't think I could even name their first-team squad fwiw.
I absolutely agree their gamesmanship is, at times, embarrassing. I also think that every club has at least an element of this in their own team, including United. Hence I find the more extreme grand-standing to be a wee bit hypocritical. No doubt Barca are a lot worse than United in this regard but what's that they say about casting the first stone?
Who cares though? If it helps for you to think of me as a closet Barca fan, go right ahead. The content of my posts still stands. Feel free to address them.
Watch it again, Pique made absolutely zero attempt to play the ball, it was a classic body check (even using the full length of the arm in front of Ronaldo), and that is a foul!Spot on. Agree 100%.
I have NO doubt, had it been Messi or any other Barcelona player who threw himself like a dead man like Ronaldo did after the slightest of touches (if any) from Pique, you'd see a clip of that everywhere here under the title: "Dive of the year, man up sissy!"
Not really, you remember whathisface Arsenal goalie fouling Blackpool player who went onto score, had he missed, it would have been called back. If in the hypothetical I gave, the ball ends up at opposition team player, ref isn't going to blow for the initial foul and certainly won't call a foul on the player that got pushed into VDS.That's an entirely different situation. In your example the ref would give a penalty for the push, not the goal.
I would disagree with that bit in bold. I don't think Ronaldo went down with the intention of taking Mascherano out.Spot on. Agree 100%.
I have NO doubt, had it been Messi or any other Barcelona player who threw himself like a dead man like Ronaldo did after the slightest of touches (if any) from Pique, you'd see a clip of that everywhere here under the title: "Dive of the year, man up sissy!"
Besides, Ronaldo didn't "unintentionally" trip Mascherano, he knew exactly what he was doing, he didn't even complain at the time, and that's Ronaldo we are talking about.. That says it all!
When people start making up rules (unintentional foul = no foul, advantage involves the right to trip an opponent player, ...etc.) then you know it's not a football debate anymore.. Just frustrated people getting it off their chest.
But what I find most interesting, those people who hate Barcelona that much are actually the ones who deep inside are writing off our chances if we meet them in the final. Deep inside you think there is NO way we can beat them in the final, so you are getting your excuses prepared beforehand, so we won't be called "sore losers" after losing to them, because well, we were already saying the same things before the game! I think it's pathetic.
Let's be rational, have faith in our team, and enjoy the victory if we get it, or just accept it if we lose, and not taint our club's reputation like Mourinho did to Madrid.
The scenario you gave is not the same as the Blackpool one at all. That's a straightforward use of the advantage.Not really, you remember whathisface Arsenal goalie fouling Blackpool player who went onto score, had he missed, it would have been called back. If in the hypothetical I gave, the ball ends up at opposition team player, ref isn't going to blow for the initial foul and certainly won't call a foul on the player that got pushed into VDS.