Chelsea 1:0 Manchester United

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

Janson said:
What are you on about? Where did I say we are playing badly because of Martial? Of course we were pretty bad before he came in. I just said putting him on instead of Mikhi didn't improve our attack.

Even if we had put on fecking Lionel Messi our attack wouldn't have improved.

The Brown Bull · Nov 5, 2017

We’re so shit it’s unbelievable.
Chavski are not good but we made them look like champs.
Depressed.

prtk0811 · Nov 5, 2017

AshRK said:
One has fabregas and hazard spreading ball and the other has a useless mkhi and crap herrera

Its azpi

iam_kramer · Nov 5, 2017

We've proved once more that we don't have the game to challenge city for the league, I really hope another team does. Hopefully Spurs. But city have 8 points in November. Huge distance so early in the season,

DomesticTadpole · Nov 5, 2017

redIndianDevil said:
Well if we had gotten Morata he would looked like a donkey today. I mean even a peak Ibra would look like a donkey if he's up against three CBs and fed only aimless hoofballs.

Difference for him is that they get ball in from out wide and he is a brilliant header of the ball, our wide men produce more often than not, zilch. It shows why we need someone who can actually put a cross in.

afrocentricity · Nov 5, 2017

groovyalbert said:
Forget the start of the season, we're nowhere near the standard we should be after the financial outlay we've had. That second half performance was gutless, you'd expect more from any team in the league.

Financial outlay? Part of that outlay has been out of the team for over a month, coinciding with our drop in form coincidentally....

AshRK · Nov 5, 2017

prtk0811 said:
Its azpi

Do you think smalling can do that.

amolbhatia50k · Nov 5, 2017

Sly said:
It's a pity. I have a soft spot for United but this is just awful. I imagine how painful it must be for United fans

It would be alright if he hadn't spent a fortune. It's fair game in that scenario. But I can't of any team that spends as much as us but still ends up with dire, pathetic, painful football. And fans will rush to claim that "it's fine because results are all that matters". It's all a bit mad.

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

MZX7 said:
I think all top class managers have figured out Mourinho and his tactics. I think we are going nowhere as a club.

Nothing to figure out you know, they just had to make sure Mourinho's tall men don't get on the end of useless hoofballs.

prtk0811 · Nov 5, 2017

We need a creative player in January.

DevilRed · Nov 5, 2017

Damien said:
Yeah. Fellaini for Mkhitaryan around 60 mins, Martial for Rashford around 75 mins and third sub depending on what score is like could end up being a 90+ min timewaster.

Made absolutely no difference

prtk0811 · Nov 5, 2017

AshRK said:
Do you think smalling can do that.

Stop joking.

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

DomesticTadpole said:
Difference for him is that they get ball in from out wide and he is a brilliant header of the ball, our wide men produce more often than not, zilch. It shows why we need someone who can actually put a cross in.

That's just you looking only at the goal, you watched the whole match right? You clearly saw how much Morata was involved in their attacks, he got good passes too not just crosses, whereas Lukaku had to chase aimless long balls the entire 90 minutes.

duffer · Nov 5, 2017

Big performance and result for us today, especially having dropped Luiz.

AshRK · Nov 5, 2017

prtk0811 said:
Stop joking.

Maybe from next game lukaku should himself cross the ball and head it home. I cannot see him getting any service from our players.

Janson · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
It didn't improve our attack because the problem is they didn't even get the supply from a midfield that had trouble passing the ball from a to b. What do I win?

The supply from midfield got even worse without Mikhi, is the point you're still missing.

Jaybomb · Nov 5, 2017

Conte is a classless Cnut. That’s all.

Yorkeontop · Nov 5, 2017

Chelsea do own us though in the Abramovich era to be fair.

deafepl · Nov 5, 2017

Shockingly, our attacking seem so average, we only had one shot on target. Herrea and Mihki are the reason we just struggled attacking because they all lost possession much. It's no shame we conceded one goal when we faced 10 shots on target from Chelsea. If we try to shot on target more, like 3 or more, they could concede TBH. Our attacking need to step up big time, hope we'll get Pogba and Zlatan back this month so we can bench Herrea and Mihk.

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

amolbhatia50k said:
It would be alright if he hadn't spent a fortune. It's fair game in that scenario. But I can't of any team that spends as much as us but still ends up with dire, pathetic, painful football. And fans will rush to claim that "it's fine because results are all that matters". It's all a bit mad.

Exactly. The majority right now seem to care only about the short term target. They want that title any way possible. A reason why we haven't improved since SAF left us. It's never been about rebuilding on what SAF left us, every season it's been about buying superstars and winning the title.

The holy trinity 68 · Nov 5, 2017

redIndianDevil said:
Even if we had put on fecking Lionel Messi our attack wouldn't have improved.

It would with him because he is the best player on the planet at the moment by some distance.

This team needs a massive shake up. Herrera has been awful all season and Mkhitaryan have been awful for most of it.

amolbhatia50k · Nov 5, 2017

redIndianDevil said:
Exactly. The majority right now seem to care only about the short term target. They want that title any way possible. A reason why we haven't improved since SAF left us. It's never been about rebuilding on what SAF left us, every season it's been about buying superstars and winning the title.

Indeed. I wouldn't mind us just focusing on the basics for three seasons in order to build a proper platform and a habit of having a system that brings the best out of everyone.

People here mock Spurs so much. But they've spent little compared to us but developed players brilliantly and they all have an understanding within a cohesive unit. I want our manager to do that and not spend, if the alternative is to spend and win nothing and play crap.

Jose seems to have pulled th rug from under our attack. Why ? To get results. feck it. You're not getting results either. Or maybe we didnt have the rug in the first place.

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

Janson said:
The supply from midfield got even worse without Mikhi, is the point you're still missing.

Or it was because there was no semblance of normal play anymore after Chelsea went up and overran our midfield with or without mkhi?

"What are you on about? Where did I say we are playing badly because of Martial? Of course we were pretty bad before he came in. I just said putting him on instead of Mikhi didn't improve our attack."

No it didn't. Why do you think that is? Maybe then I can see how to argue your observation? What big point are you trying to get across?

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

The holy trinity 68 said:
It would with him because he is the best player on the planet at the moment by some distance.

This team needs a massive shake up. Herrera has been awful all season and Mkhitaryan have been awful for most of it.

I think he's best too. But even he is not good enough to do something with useless aimless agricultural hoofs

deafepl · Nov 5, 2017

iam_kramer said:
We've proved once more that we don't have the game to challenge city for the league, I really hope another team does. Hopefully Spurs. But city have 8 points in November. Huge distance so early in the season,

keep in minds, they played 2 big clubs at home and one away which club always can win when it comes to home, and away is a tough game. it's okay if we lost a game or drew away and winning all homes game against a big club. I don't see us winning the premier league at first before the season started, we are 2nd at the moment which is enough for us and massive improvement from last season

Jeffthered · Nov 5, 2017

This is an interesting period for us. As an attacking unit, we are looking toothless. Lukaku, Mata, Miki, Martial, Lindagaard.. none of them are taking teams apart. None of them. None of them look like they will. Nothing about us going forward, Rashford is a little shattered, but I am not blaming him.

Do you think the team look 'happy'?

I'm not in a panic, because having seen us against the better sides, I have realistic expectations. But I am looking at how Mourinho looks, and how we go forward and we have no passion, no creativity, no 'love' .. no expression for the game going forward... just smashing the ball up to Fellani, what is that? And it isn't the first time we have seen this.

We are playing rubbish attacking football. Absolute rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish.

redIndianDevil · Nov 5, 2017

amolbhatia50k said:
Indeed. I wouldn't mind us just focusing on the basics for three seasons in order to build a proper platform and a habit of having a system that brings the best out of everyone.

People here mock Spurs so much. But they've spent little compared to us but developed players brilliantly and they all have an understanding within a cohesive unit. I want our manager to do that and not spend, if the alternative is to spend and win nothing and play crap.

Jose seems to have pulled th rug from under our attack. Why ? To get results. feck it. You're not getting results either. Or maybe we didnt have the rug in the first place.

Try telling this in one of the threads, even dare to compare to City or Spurs, people here immediately shout you down or start calling names.

deafepl · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
Or it was because there was no semblance of normal play anymore after Chelsea went up and overran our midfield with or without mkhi?

"What are you on about? Where did I say we are playing badly because of Martial? Of course we were pretty bad before he came in. I just said putting him on instead of Mikhi didn't improve our attack."

No it didn't. Why do you think that is? Maybe then I can see how to argue your observation? What big point are you trying to get across?

I think you didn't see how serious it is for our attacking, our attacking seem so average as there's little creativity in this, we only managed shot one on target against them, that's why they had it easy against our attacking, in the first half, we dominated for 30 minutes and couldn't create any chance. Mihki and Herrea are a result we lost against Chelsea.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 5, 2017

redIndianDevil said:
That's just you looking only at the goal, you watched the whole match right? You clearly saw how much Morata was involved in their attacks, he got good passes too not just crosses, whereas Lukaku had to chase aimless long balls the entire 90 minutes.

I said somewhere else what Morata makes sure he gets involved, every game. He does not let himself get isolated. You can either earn your money or stand around waiting for others to make things happen for you.

By the way I was one of the ones championing Morata to be signed by us.

Shiva87 · Nov 5, 2017

K2K said:
We can discuss this at the 60th minute when he is hooked off again.

Fair play. My enthusiasm for Mhiki for this game was clearly misplaced.

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

Ramshock said:
You confusing me with someone else?

You were convinced we were a new side, reinvigorated and all that. I was lambasted for being on the fence and leaning towards flattered to deceive https://www.redcafe.net/threads/post-match-vs-stoke-city.432273/page-6#post-21463358

@Sandikan I just noticed your post about me too without tagging me... what do you think... goals galore soon again?

GM K · Nov 5, 2017

Nytram Shakes said:
we have Matic Herrera and Mkhitaryan, whther you think they arnt good enough is one debate, but the are certnly better then we have seen today.

plus even we have the ball and are attacking their is no structure to our attack its so fragmented no fleuency.

you can blame the players to the cows come home, but mourinho should be getting more out of this attacking unit then he is.

This is what I meant:

a midfield should connect defence with attack. It should hold the ball, find spaces, create chances. Matic is clearly world class. Herrera and Miki have not been playing at that level. That for me is the primary problem. Our biggest threats in the second half happened when we started taking the ball over the midfield and straight to attacking positions. The attack came alive then. We badly miss Pogba and an in-form Miki (and even Mata).

This same attack has netted 23 goals in the league this season. Second only to City. Surely, we have to wonder what has gone wrong. My take is that the midfield crumbled. Pogba and Fellaini's injuries plus the loss of form of Miki, Mata and Herrera have cost us some serious points.

deafepl · Nov 5, 2017

Jeffthered said:
This is an interesting period for us. As an attacking unit, we are looking toothless. Lukaku, Mata, Miki, Martial, Lindagaard.. none of them are taking teams apart. None of them. None of them look like they will. Nothing about us going forward, Rashford is a little shattered, but I am not blaming him.

Do you think the team look 'happy'?

I'm not in a panic, because having seen us against the better sides, I have realistic expectations. But I am looking at how Mourinho looks, and how we go forward and we have no passion, no creativity, no 'love' .. no expression for the game going forward... just smashing the ball up to Fellani, what is that? And it isn't the first time we have seen this.

We are playing rubbish attacking football. Absolute rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish.

That's it

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

deafepl said:
I think you didn't see how serious it is for our attacking, our attacking seem so average as there's little creativity in this, we only managed shot one on target against them, that's why they had it easy against our attacking, in the first half, we dominated for 30 minutes and couldn't create any chance. Mihki and Herrea are a result we lost against Chelsea.

I don't disagree. Check my earlier posts and my exchange with Janson, I am all for what you are saying.

K2K · Nov 5, 2017

Anirudh said:
Fair play. My enthusiasm for Mhiki for this game was clearly misplaced.

I hate being right.

Your positivity is a good thing. I guess I have just become jaded when it comes to Micky ,sadly.

Baby Groot · Nov 5, 2017

How we set up, not to lose.
That ultimately means there will only be 1 outcome.
A lose.

GM K · Nov 5, 2017

deafepl said:
I think you didn't see how serious it is for our attacking, our attacking seem so average as there's little creativity in this, we only managed shot one on target against them, that's why they had it easy against our attacking, in the first half, we dominated for 30 minutes and couldn't create any chance. Mihki and Herrea are a result we lost against Chelsea.

Poor midfield.

GM K · Nov 5, 2017

Baby Groot said:
How we set up, not to lose.
That ultimately means there will only be 1 outcome.
A lose.

We did not set up not to lose today tbf.

It was a slugfest. End to end stuff. We were just out played.

Marcky411 · Nov 5, 2017

Again a poor performance don't know what to think. The special one bottled it again, he has definitely lost his touch. This 3-5-2 is not for our defence, all over the place, very lucky Baka is as poor a finisher as Herrera. For the goal, well I couldn't beleave my eyes the amount of space he had not a defender in sight.
Should've started with Fellaini instead of Herrera, time for him to warm the bench again.
The season started off so well, 8 points behind now, very disappointed but somehow got the fealing that this is as good as it is going get. Lukaku again had no service but the chance he had he wasted, curious to see how long his goal drought is going to last.
We have got a lot of brawn on the field and very little footballing talent.
Will have to be happy with top 4 this year and forget about Mou winning the title in the second year.

Rednotdead · Nov 5, 2017

We’re nowhere even near having the squad we need to be realistically challenging for the league. We need too many top class players for it to be even next season.

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