Chelsea 1:0 Manchester United

Marcky411 · Nov 5, 2017

Android1974 said:
We had to admit we are a solid team, but not that good right now.

Poor, poor, poor. Don't see it improving

Fosu-Mens · Nov 5, 2017

Marcky411 said:
Poor, poor, poor. Don't see it improving

Will improve when Pogba is back. Still not good enough.

Janson · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
Or it was because there was no semblance of normal play anymore after Chelsea went up and overran our midfield with or without mkhi?

"What are you on about? Where did I say we are playing badly because of Martial? Of course we were pretty bad before he came in. I just said putting him on instead of Mikhi didn't improve our attack."

No it didn't. Why do you think that is? Maybe then I can see how to argue your observation? What big point are you trying to get across?

Yes, the circumstances weren't ideal but so many people seem to think having Rashford, Lukaku and Martial together is somehow the magical solution for everything. When today we saw it's far from it.

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

Janson said:
Yes, the circumstances weren't ideal but so many people seem to think having Rashford, Lukaku and Martial together is somehow the magical solution for everything. When today we saw it's far from it.

Maybe give them three or four matches back to back and not decide over a desperate last few moves from Mourinho over a 30 min spell away from home in a hectic game? Your observation is far too hasty and means nothing without actually having seen them together over a longer period. Give them a chance instead of being hasty to say "AHA, as I thought".

AgentP · Nov 5, 2017

abhayselvan said:
We should look out for that diagonal cross that Azpi plays to Morata. They have already scored twice like that this season. It's almost identical to the ball Eriksen played to Alli against us.

I knew this was going to happen :rolleyes:

Ramshock · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
You were convinced we were a new side, reinvigorated and all that. I was lambasted for being on the fence and leaning towards flattered to deceive https://www.redcafe.net/threads/post-match-vs-stoke-city.432273/page-6#post-21463358

@Sandikan I just noticed your post about me too without tagging me... what do you think... goals galore soon again?

We are a new side we just dont have our full team. Plus your argument would still be invalid but with a few caveats. City are far superior to the rest of the league and if they were at the same level and only a few points ahead then it wouldnt look so bad also you are not taking injuries into consideration especially Paul Pogbas.

Nytram Shakes · Nov 5, 2017

peanuthead said:
Let me rephrase in possession and in attack. It had numerous times in attack where he stalled and case in point was right at the end there where he should of just whacked it in the box immediately.

thats about the same for everyone of our attackers!

MThomas · Nov 5, 2017

Janson said:
Yes, the circumstances weren't ideal but so many people seem to think having Rashford, Lukaku and Martial together is somehow the magical solution for everything. When today we saw it's far from it.

The circumstances weren't ideal :lol:

Your comment is about as good as Mkh'is performances.

Yes, we know you're desperate to point out it's a bad idea to play all 3.

LilyWhiteSpur · Nov 5, 2017

Great game of football throughly enjoyed it.

groovyalbert · Nov 5, 2017

afrocentricity said:
Financial outlay? Part of that outlay has been out of the team for over a month, coinciding with our drop in form coincidentally....

I hear you, but if all that's good about our play is bound up in one player, you're asking for trouble at some point. I know Fellaini has been missed, but even when he was performing well, I'd argue he was able to benefit from our overall play rather than be main instigator of it.

I do think we'll come good again in the near future, but if we carry on playing the way we have for much longer then we'll end up in a top 4 fight rather than a title one. We've got a favourable run of fixtures now it seems, and we need to be swatting away the smaller teams in the same manner we were at the beginning of the season. It's probably going to take a record point haul to finish in the top 4 this season, and really we should be aiming for more than that.

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

Ramshock said:
We are a new side we just dont have our full team. Plus your argument would still be invalid but with a few caveats. City are far superior to the rest of the league and if they were at the same level and only a few points ahead then it wouldnt look so bad also you are not taking injuries into consideration especially Paul Pogbas.

We'll see. It's not finished and I don't see things getting prettier in the long run. I desperately hope I'm wrong and you are right because that would mean I have a team to be proud of again.

Janson · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
Maybe give them three or four matches back to back and not decide over a desperate last few moves from Mourinho over a 30 min spell away from home in a hectic game? Your observation is far too hasty and means nothing without actually having seen them together over a longer period. Give them a chance instead of being hasty to say "AHA, as I thought".

And we probably won't see them together for a longer period anyway, which I believe is partly because of tactical reasons. So I don't see what else we're supposed to base our opinions on than these short spells they do get together.

Kevin · Nov 5, 2017

Janson said:
And we probably won't see them together for a longer period anyway, which I believe is partly because of tactical reasons. So I don't see what else we're supposed to base our opinions on than these short spells they do get together.

We probably won't. That doesn't mean a fair conclusion can be drawn with just one short outing under ridiculous circumstances. So why force one out anyway unless you're desperate to be 'proven right' at all cost no matter the context.

The holy trinity 68 · Nov 5, 2017

Just seen that we have only won 3 times at Stamford Bridge in the last 20 meetings. Tough place to play at, never mind with this team. Even Sir Alex’s great teams struggled.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 5, 2017

The holy trinity 68 said:
Just seen that we have only won 3 times at Stamford Bridge in the last 20 meetings. Tough place to play at, never mind with this team. Even Sir Alex’s great teams struggled.

It's our bogey ground. We will win now and again. We have lost to worse Chelsea sides than this one.

The holy trinity 68 · Nov 5, 2017

InLevyITrust said:
Great game of football throughly enjoyed it.

Pipe down Levy :lol:

DomesticTadpole said:
It's our bogey ground. We will win now and again. We have lost to worse Chelsea sides than this one.

Yeah exactly, I think there is an over reaction to the result. It is more because we are 8 points adrift of City at the top where the reaction is mainly coming from.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 5, 2017

The holy trinity 68 said:
Pipe down Levy

Yeah exactly, I think there is an over reaction to the result. It is more because we are 8 points adrift of City at the top where the reaction is mainly coming from.

I can understand people freaking out where City are concerned as they have a style of play, where we to be honest don't. That is the one complaint I would have or not a particularly attractive style if I can work out what it is.

Turnip · Nov 5, 2017

Baxter said:
Morata has been great.

Definite bafta nomination to be fair.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 5, 2017

Turnip said:
Definite bafta nomination to be fair.

They are trying to replace Costa, so he has to be annoying to be honest. He has a lot of things to his game. That was a nice goal. Unfortunately.

Ramshock · Nov 5, 2017

Kevin said:
We'll see. It's not finished and I don't see things getting prettier in the long run. I desperately hope I'm wrong and you are right because that would mean I have a team to be proud of again.

You are completely forgetting about our most important player. Take Hazard from Chelsea, KDB from City and Mane from Liverpool and they arent as good. We arent half the side with Pogba missing but that in itself is an issue. We needed another top class attacker last summer.

The holy trinity 68 · Nov 5, 2017

Ramshock said:
You are completely forgetting about our most important player. Take Hazard from Chelsea, KDB from City and Mane from Liverpool and they arent as good. We arent half the side with Pogba missing but that in itself is an issue. We needed another top class attacker last summer.

It was probably Griezmann but with Athletico and their transfer ban it didn’t happen.

LilyWhiteSpur · Nov 5, 2017

The holy trinity 68 said:
Pipe down Levy

Yeah exactly, I think there is an over reaction to the result. It is more because we are 8 points adrift of City at the top where the reaction is mainly coming from.

I wasn't actually being smart, it was my preferred result but wasn't winding it was a really good game.

Kearnkoff69 · Nov 5, 2017

Nytram Shakes said:
i dont think chelseas team is better then ours just think its better trained and organised.

I don't disagree, but coaching and the way players carry out those instructions, plus mentality and sharpness (effort, etc.) make a huge difference in separating the top teams from the rest. We showed a complete lack of sharpness and organization today, no communication, and no mental toughness to take hold of the game when the pressure was intense and impose ourselves on the game. We let them totally control the entire encounter, as we have against most top teams this year.

Nytram Shakes · Nov 5, 2017

Kearnkoff69 said:
I don't disagree, but coaching and the way players carry out those instructions, plus mentality and sharpness (effort, etc.) make a huge difference in separating the top teams from the rest. We showed a complete lack of sharpness and organization today, no communication, and no mental toughness to take hold of the game when the pressure was intense and impose ourselves on the game. We let them totally control the entire encounter, as we have against most top teams this year.

i honestly worry about players mentality, Mourinho in big encounters seems to set his teams up as the underdogs, i'm not sure that always gives players confidence.

add to that thier does seem to be a serious issue with the structure of our attacking play which must come from the training ground and you can understand why we are struggling so badly away from home against big sides.

dogwithabone · Nov 5, 2017

redIndianDevil said:
It's only possible because Chelsea gave up the midfield to shore up the defence hence our pathetic excuse of a midfield can hold onto the possession.

I agree - to a degree.

We still pressed them more than we did for 85 minutes and were far more purposeful and precise with our final ball. Another 10 minutes of that we’d have scored. What’s to say if the game opened up Chelsea would have taken advantage ? Why Chelsea and not us benefitting from a more open game ?

red4ever 79 · Nov 5, 2017

What kind of coaching went into that. 10 men behind the ball. A back line of 5 and hoof to the big guy. So predictable

The holy trinity 68 · Nov 5, 2017

InLevyITrust said:
I wasn't actually being smart, it was my preferred result but wasn't winding it was a really good game.

Oh yeah I know, was just having a joke.

Marcky411 · Nov 6, 2017

The holy trinity 68 said:
It was probably Griezmann but with Athletico and their transfer ban it didn’t happen.

He was just playing/using us to get a new contract, had no intention of coming otherwise he would've. Looking at his form this season, thank god we didn't get him.

Sunny Jim · Nov 6, 2017

girish said:
To shit in?

sure thing

Sunny Jim · Nov 6, 2017

Utdfrom2002 said:
Well it should be more interesting than boring Jose tactics. Am I doing this right?

it was a Jewish musical. Songs in Yiddish. make your pick...

Sunny Jim · Nov 6, 2017

Cal? said:
Order her a taxi.

hehe

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