I’m not sure of this notion that players who actually played at the World Cup shouldn’t play, and those who have barely played any football for 6 weeks are somehow in a better condition to start a game than those who are match fit. Could someone please explain the logic to me?
League Cup Round of 16
Manchester United 2:0 Burnley
Old Trafford
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- Wed, 21 December 2022 @ 8:00pm GMT
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Discussion Your Lineup Prediction
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Hoping to see:
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Dalot-------------------Lindelof----------------Maguire ----------------Malacia
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Anthony------------------------------Martial----------------------------------Rashford
Eriksen, Garnacho, Elanga, & DVB to get minutes.
Shaw, Varane, Martinez, Eriksen and possibly Garnacho to start against Forest.
It won't be an easy game this, and this cup is absolutely vital this year. We're desperate for a cup and this is a real chance. Only Liverpool, City and maybe Newcastle left in it, with once of the big two getting knocked out this week. Massive chance..
Must win game!!This game feels like a severe come down after the world cup.
Word conditions should be players who joined the WC but mainly sat on the bench.The more I've thought about this game, the more I'm thinking it'll be a far stronger side than I initially expected.
The only players that made it to the quarterfinals (played 10-11 days ago) were Maguire, Shaw, Dalot, Malacia, Casemiro, Fred, Bruno, Antony, Rashford, Martinez and Varane.
A large amount of those players didn't necessarily play huge parts in those latter stages either. Only Dalot, Shaw, Casemiro, and Bruno need to be considered for resting IMO (Martinez & Varane obviously as well). Maguire hasn't played much earlier in the season so should be expected to come right in.
We will likely see a second choice back four. Maybe Donny over Bruno. The midfield two could realistically be any from McTominay, Eriksen, Casemiro or Fred. Front line might be strong, Martial should start but the other positions could be any two from Rashford, Antony, Garnacho or Elanga.
But why do those who actually played need to be rested? Would that be the case if they had been playing league games instead? They are more ready to play than those who have barely kicked a ball in 6 weeks.
Really?!
Feels like relief. A month of eating McDonalds and now we get a nice roast.
I feel the same. If only we started with a proper PL game at least.Are people saying Burnley are favourites just trolling?
I'm sure it'll be a tough match and we shouldn't take them lightly, but they are not favourites ffs
No favourites, but one could see how they could very easily win. They're already back in their rhythm and have won back to back games while we haven't played a competitive game for ages, most of the first team haven't trained together for a while up till now, and they patched up team that went to Spain lost twice
Malacia can play RB if needed I think.
Nah I’m buzzing to get back to Trafford personally! Also would rather we ease back in with this where a loss wouldn’t really matter than a match that properly counts for something important.
Yes? 1 million percent I am serious. I find it pretty comical that you think it isn’t a debate.Are you serious?
Personal thought is more because of the competition this is and the busy Christmas/New Year schedule incoming. Maybe more down to travel and in some cases it's to have certain players sharper as they didn't play much (Malacia as an example).
I wouldn't be opposed to Shaw & Bruno on the bench as they're really important and I'd rather they start the PL games. I'm also not necessarily too fussed which deeper midfielders we pick as long as it isn't Fred & McTominay together.
I'm usually one for picking stronger teams consistently, but when I look at our games going forward I find it difficult to see where we are able to make as many changes to the starting XI as we can in this one I suppose.
My guess now is:
Dubravka
Wan-Bissaka Lindelof Maguire Malacia
McTominay Eriksen
Antony Van de Beek Rashford
Martial
I can certainly see the logic with going with the second team due to this being considered a lesser competition. It was more that I have been seeing an argument being made for a week or so that is selecting players based on who has played the least football as some sort of conditioning argument. The World Cup was not during the off-season, it was mid-season. Those who played are in the best condition and most ready to play competitive football. It’s more the idea that these players need to be rested that I don’t agree with is all.We are going to field a strong team I reckon as we are badly out of sync due to the world cup.
Everyone who is fit, with the exception of Martinez n Varane, should be available for selection. This is going to hopefully help us for Forest game too. We need to get some momentum back in the team.I reckon Ten Hag will start the team that went to Spain, with Maguire starting, the only real change.
Front three of Elanga, Martial and Garnacho.
Toss up between Williams and Malacia, and between Amad and Van de Beek.I understand why some would want us to prioritise this tournament as it is definitely the easiest way to win a trophy this year, however we will then have to sacrifice either the FA cup or EL otherwise I don’t see how we are going to squeeze in the two postponed games.
Focus should be 100% on securing top 4 and then give it a go against Barca. The two domestic cups are for the reserves this year due to the tight program.
Those eliminated after the first round should be available as should the Round of 16. Even the QF were 10 days ago. There should be no excuse for not having those players available. Only Martinez and Varane should be a no-go.
Only Martinez and Varane have played too juch to make this match. Win it and there's only three to go. I think there are plenty of rested players in the squad.One of the greatest WC finals ever straight into a league cup game gained Burnley
Yes. There's always some ridiculous excuse? Seriously, only those involved in the final have legitimate reason for not being in the line up.
I agree. The WC is an awesome and fun sideshow but still a sideshow. Manchester United and club level football is the heart and soul of football for me so I am glad they are back. It may be different if the WC was in the Summer but I have missed United games.
Martinez only because of the long flight to Argentina and the celebrations. He hardly played at the World Cup.
You do realize Martial is our 1st choice striker right?One of the greatest WC finals ever straight into a league cup game gained Burnley
Just hope this upward trajectory can continue.
League Cup game, guys who didn't play the world Cup could have just trained with the team the past few weeks/no travel/been focused with the group. World Cup guys can get extra mental break and wait for the league game rather than play a league Cup game which is generally rotation anyway.DDG
AWB-Harry-Victor-Malacia
Fred-McT
Eriksen
Garnacho-Martial-RashfordIt would help if we knew what was the line up for the bcd friendly against Everton, wonder who played at RB, but I think AWB being likely to leave in January isn't going to start any more games. Think it'll be:
DDGETH will want to have a shot at this trophy and Burnley are in very good form at the moment, playing attacking football, which could actually suit us if we play a strong team.
Malacia Maguire Lindelof Shaw
McTominay Eriksen
Bruno
Antony Martial Rashford
What you said is more sensible but it's just me having no love for this competition tbh.
I know what you mean,
I got sick of watching Mbappe and now I can’t wait to see Fred strut his stuff again.Really hope we can win a cup this season and this is one of two realistic shots to try and win one so i'd play strongest team available. Also Burnley are going to be tough given they are top of the Championship and they've been playing competitively for like 2-3 weeks now so we won't even be able to ease into things. Going to be full pelt from the start. All things considered, I still expect us to win and advance.
You must have enjoyed what Fred did vs Croatia
Didn't watch it....what did he do?
Doom! DOOM, I say!!From the matches against championship teams in this round, hope we are not the only PL casualty. Tough task but I think we might just scrape through.I'm seeing a lot of suggestions saying Van de Beek to start. Really? The guy has been utter gash pretty much everytime he's started. Surely one of the younger lads like Iqbal or Savage warrant starting over him at this point. I'd fully expect us to be trying to ship VdB out in January anyway.
Took part in losing the ball in ET which led to Croatia equalizing at the death and the rest is history
Same, I'd rather see a youngster play.
qué?
A hell of a lot happened from the turnover to the goal, very very harsh to put that on Fred.
qué ? I didn't put it on him. I just talked about his part. Learn to read. His cameo was a disaster, can't wait for him to leave this club. qué?
A hell of a lot happened from the turnover to the goal, very very harsh to put that on Fred.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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19%
Casemiro
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7%
Bruno Fernandes
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5%
Christian Eriksen
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5%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 148 ratings.
Score Predictions
132,18,11
- Man Utd win
- Burnley win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 29% Man Utd 2:1 Burnley
- 25% Man Utd 2:0 Burnley
- 12% Man Utd 1:0 Burnley
- 6% Man Utd 3:1 Burnley
- 6% Man Utd 3:0 Burnley
- 4% Man Utd 1:1 Burnley
- 4% Man Utd 1:2 Burnley
- 2% Man Utd 0:1 Burnley
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 Burnley
- 2% Man Utd 0:2 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 1:3 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 2:3 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 4:2 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 5:0 Burnley
- 1% Man Utd 9:0 Burnley
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Burnley
- Possession
- 55% 45%
- Shots
- 10 11
- Shots on Target
- 6 1
- Corners
- 8 3
- Fouls
- 6 9
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Brandon Williams
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replaced by Luke Shaw
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replaced by Anthony Elanga
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replaced by Fred
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replaced by Antony
