Manchester United 3:1 Liverpool

Shark · Sep 3, 2015

Rednotdead said:
Both teams have won 2, drawn one and lost one so no, we're currently not any better than Liverpool and unless there's a marked improvement from our first 4 performances in the league we'll struggle to get past them.

That's quite a lazy way of seeing things. If Watford or Stoke won 2, drew one and lost one, would you say we aren't any better than them either?

I'd say even most Liverpool fans would agree that we have the stronger starting eleven.

littlepeasoup · Sep 3, 2015

We should all know by now that form matters jacksh*t when it comes to matches against Liverpool.

FacerTheRed · Sep 3, 2015

Continho is a huge miss for them, there defense is more shakey and less organised than United's. Hopefully no injured players coming back from international duty, should have a chance then of a win.

---------------------------------Romero------------------------------
Darmian-------------Smalling----------Blind-------------------Shaw
--------------------Schneiderlin------Schweinsteiger---------------
--------------------------------Herrera-------------------------------
----Mata-----------------------------------------------------Depay---
--------------------------------Rooney-------------------------------

DDG will not make his first appearance in this game, consider the guy's head is somewhere else i wouldnt risk it just yet. Romero is doing a decent job, it would be very harsh to drop the guy. Back four wont be changed, i'm very scared about Blind being there with Benteke up top. So will be interesting if LVG will play Blind there but how i see it, i think he will with Smalling next to him. Midfield picks for itself, the Schmidfield has to be playing with Herrera in a more advanced position. Since the loan out of Januzaj, Herrera will be most likely to move in there which im happy about. His link up plays and continuous movements will give liverpools midfield and defense a horrid time. Depay will have a go at Clyne which will be interest battle and considering Clyne likes to get forward could harm them with Shaw helping out Depay. Mata on the right who will keep coming in field and link up with Herrera and Rooney. I would like to see Martial to play but wont happen with not enough training time with the squad. Could maybe make sub appearance but other than that, will not be put in a vital role. Too early. And then Rooney up front, i really hope he really start scoring those goals.

result: 2-1 to United.

Rednotdead · Sep 3, 2015

Shark said:
That's quite a lazy way of seeing things. If Watford or Stoke won 2, drew one and lost one, would you say we aren't any better than them either?

I'd say even most Liverpool fans would agree that we have the stronger starting eleven.

No, but then again Watford and Stoke aren't generally our direct rivals.

Having a stronger starting eleven is irrelevant. What is relevant is how that eleven performs and we've been nothing more than patchy so far, as have Liverpool.

crossy1686 · Sep 3, 2015

We will win this comfortably. We're miles ahead of Liverpool and their 3 at the back crap.

Dazzmondo · Sep 3, 2015

Early Predicted Line-up:

_____________________________________________________________

1. de Gea

36. Darmian 12. Smalling 17. Blind 23. Shaw

31. Schweinsteiger 28. Schneiderlin

8. Mata 21. Herrera 7. Memphis

10. Rooney
_____________________________________________________________

Bench: 20. Romero, 33. McNair, 25. Valencia, 16. Carrick, 27. Fellaini, 18. Young, 9. Martial

Predicted Score: Man Utd 3-1 Liverpool (Mata, Smalling, Fellaini, Benteke)

Di Maria's angel · Sep 3, 2015

Think this could be make or break for us.

Win and I can see us using the confidence to mount a title challenge.

Lose and I think we will fight out for a third/fourth place finish.

Hope we switch back to 4-3-3, and if we do, 2-0 to us.

Cypriot · Sep 3, 2015

De Gea*
Darmian Smalling Rojo Shaw
Schweinsteiger Schneiderlin
Mata Martial Depay
Rooney

Subs: Romero* 1.Carrick 2. Young 3. Fellaini

*Dependant on if DDG signs before the game.

I usually don't do line ups before the international games have played as you can't anticipate potential injuries/knocks/poor performances - but nevertheless I'm going for this line up. Martial included because LVG clearly can't decide who he trusts in the 10 role, and as Martial is naturally good there, is a second striker and has an abundance of pace, I think we could see him start there.

I also think that LVG has just been waiting for a reason to drop Blind and even though he wasn't terrible against Swansea, I think he will be sacrificed for Rojo, a natural LCB with the physical attributes to combat Benteke.

I'm going for 2-0 United.

bpet15 · Sep 3, 2015

Will the heat be turned up on LVG if we don't get a result in this one? I can't help but think (I could be wrong) that things are getting close to a tipping point with our shit style of play, shit transfer window with very suspect decisions and our fan base being on edge.

Offside · Sep 3, 2015

Recent league meetings with Liverpool:

14/15:

Liverpool 1-2 Manchester United (Strurridge; Mata x2)
Manchester United 3-0 Liverpool (Rooney, Mata, van Persie)

13/14:

Manchester United 0-3 Liverpool (Gerrard x2, Suarez)
Liverpool 1-0 Manchester United (Strurridge)

12/13:

Manchester United 2-1 Liverpool (van Persie, Vidic; Sturridge)
Liverpool 1-2 Manchester United (Gerrard; Rafael, van Persie)

11/12:

Manchester United 2-1 Liverpool (Rooney x2; Suarez)
Liverpool 1-1 Manchester United (Gerrard; Hernandez)

10/11:

Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United (Kuyt x3; Hernandez)
Manchester United 3-2 Liverpool (Berbatov x3; Gerrard x2)

09/10:

Manchester United 2-1 Liverpool (Rooney, Park; Torres)
Liverpool 2-0 Manchester United (Torres, N'Gog)

08/09:

Manchester United 1-4 Liverpool (Ronaldo; Torres, Gerrard, Aurelio, Dossena)
Liverpool 2-1 Manchester United (O.G, Babel; Tevez)

07/08:

Manchester United 3-0 Liverpool (Brown, Ronaldo, Nani)
Liverpool 0-1 Manchester United (Tevez)

Sandikan · Sep 3, 2015

crossy1686 said:
We will win this comfortably. We're miles ahead of Liverpool and their 3 at the back crap.

when you can't score more than 1 in a league game, I'm not sure there's any "comfortably" winning games right now

Man of Steel · Sep 3, 2015

Sandikan said:
when you can't score more than 1 in a league game, I'm not sure there's any "comfortably" winning games right now

Liverpool won't park the bus though (as it's up on bricks down a side street near anfield

) and as we are at home and have more quality than them we should win this by two goals :nervous:

Basti, Memphis and our Wayne to score.

3-1 United

Dumbstar · Sep 3, 2015

kouroux said:
Lovren

He was 'rested' today?

You'll be fcked if he gets injured though.

Dumbstar · Sep 3, 2015

Shark said:
I'd say even most Liverpool fans would agree that we have the stronger starting eleven.

The fact we have Lovren in our STARTING XI basically blows out any chance of us admitting anything different. And with Coutinho out I'm expecting a long ball game which will play into your hands. A 90 minute game which will feel like 180 and still no goals.

Thank God I'm at Chessington that day.

Bwuk · Sep 3, 2015

Would be surprised if Fellaini doesn't start this. Mata, The People's Elbow and Memphis behind Rooney. Martial off the bench.

crossy1686 · Sep 4, 2015

Sandikan said:
when you can't score more than 1 in a league game, I'm not sure there's any "comfortably" winning games right now

This will be different. We looked poor last season against some of the smaller teams but we always looked much better against the big ones. I expect us to win by 2 or 3 goals.

Shane88 · Sep 4, 2015

Ref should lean towards us considering we're at home and Liverpool have benefited ridiculously from refereeing decisions already this season.

They'd be on 1 point if it wasn't for refs and linesmen bailing them out.

Turnip · Sep 4, 2015

More confident ahead of these than Swansea, 3-1 to us (please don't make me eat this sentence).

Toughest decision is which goalie to put in...
Not sure if he'll start Martial either, would be a bit of a baptism by fire, but damn I'm excited to see what he can do and with 'pool's shaky defense could have potential for a decent start. Problem is I want to see Herrera at #10, so would have to go up front, which isn't going to happen.

Oga on top. · Sep 4, 2015

Rodgers will most likely stick with his secret lover Lovren in defence instead of recalling Sahko

, so United will win this at a canter. Skrtel is a clown as it is, so with the addition of Lovren next to him.... I dread the outcome.

Mignolet

Clyne - Skrtel - Lovren - Gomez

Henderson - Can - Milner

Firmino - Ibe

Benteke (if fit, if not then it will be ings)

RedDevil@84 · Sep 4, 2015

Oga on top. said:
Rodgers will most likely stick with his secret lover Lovren in defence instead of recalling Sahko , so United will win this at a canter. Skrtel is a clown as it is, so with the addition of Lovren next to him.... I dread the outcome.

Mignolet

Clyne - Skrtel - Lovren - Gomez

Henderson - Can - Milner

Firmino - Ibe

Benteke (if fit, if not then it will be ings)

Reverse-jinx attempt??

Oga on top. · Sep 4, 2015

RedDevil@84 said:
Reverse-jinx attempt??

Not at all. If the likes of Depay and to a lesser extent Rooney decide to turn it on then we are going to get pumped. Especially if Rodgers plays Lovren instead of Sahko and Gomez instead of Moreno. The poor kid Gomez looked scared shitless against WHU.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Sep 4, 2015

Really hope Lovren plays, one of the worst players against a pressing team.

SinghofSteel · Sep 4, 2015

Liverpool are atrocious, I know it's a derby so form becomes irrelevant but come on, we have to win this.

sunama · Sep 4, 2015

rednev said:
This will be like watching a very aggressive and very dirty Championship game. High tempo and exciting but don't expect to see any great football.

Man Utd in high tempo/attacking play SHOCKER!!!
I don't think we will play high tempo, because zombie passing is what I have come to expect.

It will be scrappy - you are certainly right about that.
Bboth teams will treat this like a Cup game, so form goes out of the window and it can go either way.
Both teams are struggling to score goals BUT, this fixture (like last year), can conjure up plenty of goals.

I will go with 2-2.

sunama · Sep 4, 2015

bpet15 said:
Will the heat be turned up on LVG if we don't get a result in this one? I can't help but think (I could be wrong) that things are getting close to a tipping point with our shit style of play, shit transfer window with very suspect decisions and our fan base being on edge.

We are clearly building for the future.
We spent big on Shaw, Memphis and Martial.
We refused to spend big on Ibrahimovic and Pedro (and probably many other older players), even though we struggle to score goals.

It is clear that MUFC are thinking only about the future...not about winning right now.
LVG is safe, no matter what happens this year as his vision is what we are spending tonnes of money on.
We simply can't afford to bring in another manager who may bring in his own style of player (likely older), with whom we can challenge for the title, immediately.

The only player who sticks out is Rooney - why keep such an old player, who is clearly past his best?

Turnip · Sep 4, 2015

sunama said:
We are clearly building for the future.
We spent big on Shaw, Memphis and Martial.
We refused to spend big on Ibrahimovic and Pedro (and probably many other older players), even though we struggle to score goals.

It is clear that MUFC are thinking only about the future...not about winning right now.
LVG is safe, no matter what happens this year as his vision is what we are spending tonnes of money on.
We simply can't afford to bring in another manager who may bring in his own style of player (likely older), with whom we can challenge for the title, immediately.

The only player who sticks out is Rooney - why keep such an old player, who is clearly past his best?

Probably as a fan pleaser and you need to have some leadership and club loyalty in the side. Other than him smalling is our only other long serving player normally in the starting 11...

amolbhatia50k · Sep 4, 2015

Kaos said:
Lol you're all insane if you think we're going to start our 19 year old new signing in our most heated fixture.

Yep. He'll come on around the hour mark.

K2K · Sep 4, 2015

Not a fan of the football that LVG has us playing, but this game is the one where you have to win by any legal means possible..we'll worry about tempo and the selections for the following week..Remember that even during the Moyes years, that 3-0 defeat hurt like hell even though our season was all over by then.

K2K · Sep 4, 2015

Bwuk said:
Would be surprised if Fellaini doesn't start this. Mata, The People's Elbow and Memphis behind Rooney. Martial off the bench.

Lets rock bottom Liverpool to another defeat at O.T last like year.

Tyrion · Sep 4, 2015

bosnian_red said:
You seriously just need to shut the feck up and have a word with yourself after the shite you've spewed in the match thread and now this. You realize they got hammered 3-0 at home to West ham yesterday? fecks sake.

Wait. I thought he was joking. :lol:

marukomu · Sep 5, 2015

I love this fixture because it's the best in football. It doesn't matter how shit we or they are. I also hate it because form goes out of the window and anything can happen. We still need revenge for that 1-4.

Everest Red · Sep 5, 2015

Hope Rooney finds his form back for this match.

HeckneyNoodo · Sep 5, 2015

Feck Liverpool. Steamroll them please.

Maradona10 · Sep 5, 2015

K2K said:
Lets rock bottom Liverpool to another defeat at O.T last like year.

Lets lay the smack down on them and make them shove their champions league trophies up their arse. Bunch of jabronies that cry YAWN all the fecking time.

On a serious note, united win brenda will be under pressure this early in he season and another loss and he could be a goner, united lose, the knives will be out for Lvg. I think people will start showing resentment after him failing to address the problems in transfer market and starting season short upfront combined with boring football. EVen this early in the season this will be a crucial fixture. City have raced ahead and staying close to them is essential for us. The game will be tough, no matter who they have in their team as they always raise their game against us. Hopefully we win.

K2K · Sep 5, 2015

Maradona10 said:
Lets lay the smack down on them and make them shove their champions league trophies up their arse. Bunch of jabronies that cry YAWN all the fecking time.

On a serious note, united win brenda will be under pressure this early in he season and another loss and he could be a goner, united lose, the knives will be out for Lvg. I think people will start showing resentment after him failing to address the problems in transfer market and starting season short upfront combined with boring football. EVen this early in the season this will be a crucial fixture. City have raced ahead and staying close to them is essential for us. The game will be tough, no matter who they have in their team as they always raise their game against us. Hopefully we win.

Massive game yes..LVG had a great record against the big clubs last season, and that was one of his saving graces..losing against Pool is a no no, especially at home..Its their UCL final, we need to be up for it from the first minute..Ill take a deflection of Fellaini's 'fro to seal a last gasp win if need be.

Magnus · Sep 5, 2015

How on earth are we playing those ***** late Sat? Are the pubs close to OT gonna be closed? Interested since I´m going to this one:-)

Roman Bellic · Sep 5, 2015

Don't expect this match to matter.

It's a long season,which is why a draw would be good enough - since 4th is the target.

But i naturally expect a win.

Question234 · Sep 5, 2015

marukomu said:
I love this fixture because it's the best in football. It doesn't matter how shit we or they are. I also hate it because form goes out of the window and anything can happen. We still need revenge for that 1-4.

well we got the double last year. 3-0 at OT and 2-1 and anfield where we completely dominated them for the entire half. Best we've been at anfield for a while now.

Question234 · Sep 5, 2015

Roman Bellic said:
Don't expect this match to matter.

It's a long season,which is why a draw would be good enough - since 4th is the target.

But i naturally expect a win.

this match always matters and we'll beat them.

Liverpool are shite atm, we just have issues going forward and they aren't the best defenders.

Pexbo · Sep 5, 2015

Roman Bellic said:
Don't expect this match to matter.

It's a long season,which is why a draw would be good enough - since 4th is the target.

But i naturally expect a win.

Don't talk bollocks

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