Manchester United 4:2 Manchester City

The Stain · Apr 10, 2015

Oneunited26 said:
No at ronetta it was for, since you quoted him, I wanted to add my thoughts on what you said

Cool.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Apr 10, 2015

City win ratio with Demichelis & Kompany together: 8 Wins, 4 Defeats. Points Ratio: 1.8
City win ratio without Demichelis &/or Kompany together: 10 Wins, 2 Defeats. Points Ratio: 2.1

Oneunited26 · Apr 10, 2015

MyOnlySolskjaer said:
City win ratio with Demichelis & Kompany: 8 Wins, 4 Defeats. Points Ratio: 1.8
City win ratio without Demichelis & Kompany: 10 Wins, 2 Defeats. Points Ratio: 2.1

its hard to say, its not has if without them its been 6 or 5 wins, its been quiet close. That stat seems to sum city's overall form, it has not really mattered

ItsEssexRob · Apr 10, 2015

Tomuś said:
How do you measure that exactly? Do you mean the talent's ceiling of each player or what? For me City's main strength has been the overperforming of players like Milner, Navas and Clichy. I don't buy the general view that 'They have a wonder team but some of the stars underperform' which would mean they have massive room for improvement.

Looking at that City side suggested by some I'm far from being overwhelmed to be honest. I can see 3 great players like Silva, Kompany, Aguero in the first 11 but that would be that. On paper, Mata, Di Maria and Rooney surely match that if you're talking about talent purely.

I honestly can't see how our best 11 is significantly worse than theirs. It's extremely close.

On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.

I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.

Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?

Oneunited26 · Apr 10, 2015

ItsEssexRob said:
On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.

I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.

Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?

Is silva and aguero that much better? Considering how little they have played in their best position, compared to aguero and silva.

How do city have a better higher ceiling? When it's not that high, city have a better higher ceiling on reputation, and that's about it

City are probably one of the most feeble title winners we have seen Probably since araenals title winning teams of 98-02 and 04, and those teams I rate far better than the title winning city teams of 2012 and 14. I think United can overtake city, it's not over taking the all powerful chelsea team of 04-06

Shark · Apr 10, 2015

Oneunited26 said:
Is silva and aguero that much better? Considering how little they have played in their best position, compared to aguero and silva.

How do city have a better higher ceiling? When it's not that high, city have a better higher ceiling on reputation, and that's about it

City are probably one of the most feeble title winners we have seen Probably since araenals title winning teams of 98-02 and 04, and those teams I rate far better than the title winning city teams of 2012 and 14. I think United can overtake city, it's not over taking the all powerful chelsea team of 04-06?

The idea that City are just a team of overpaid players that 'aren't trying' is ridiculous. When we went through a bad patch we were deemed shite, why aren't City? they have been wank all season and really aren't looking like a great team these days. Take Aguero and Silva out of that team and it's looking very ordinary on paper too.

Sweet Square · Apr 10, 2015

If we can keep the majority of possession then this game could be a lot easier then most image.

ItsEssexRob · Apr 10, 2015

Oneunited26 said:
Is silva and aguero that much better? Considering how little they have played in their best position, compared to aguero and silva.

How do city have a better higher ceiling? When it's not that high, city have a better higher ceiling on reputation, and that's about it

City are probably one of the most feeble title winners we have seen Probably since araenals title winning teams of 98-02 and 04, and those teams I rate far better than the title winning city teams of 2012 and 14. I think United can overtake city, it's not over taking the all powerful chelsea team of 04-06

Were talking about in a one off game though. I think in a one off game City can produce a higher quality of game. I dont think this was something that was debated a couple of months ago with the messages on here being ' we are light years from these teams'

Whilst you were not light years then, nor are you suddenly above them or level now.

City have a poor mentality and have been very inconsistent, especially since the new year. Thats why they are 4th.

Oneunited26 · Apr 10, 2015

ItsEssexRob said:
Were talking about in a one off game though. I think in a one off game City can produce a higher quality of game. I dont think this was something that was debated a couple of months ago with the messages on here being ' we are light years from these teams'

Whilst you were not light years then, nor are you suddenly above them or level now.

City have a poor mentality and have been very inconsistent, especially since the new year. Thats why they are 4th.

How many one off games? They were poor in Europe, out of the fa cup. Why have United been weak for allot of the season? Injurys? Players played out of position? Weird formations? New players bought? New manager? Changing how we play all together. When a team is reprogrammed and getting rebuilt, the levels of the team is going to take time, look where city were between 2009-11. It takes time, and to see United go through all these problems, and are above city, is quiet insane, and that is a good sign for the team going forward

What is city's Level? Quarters of the champions league? Doing enough to challenge in the PL. Many forget we were not playing Herrera mata rooney in they're right positions, defenders injured after losing Ferdinand Vidic and Evra, these are big players and experienced lost. So it's a huge turn around

Tomuś · Apr 10, 2015

ItsEssexRob said:
On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.

I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.

Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?

It's not like we've suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Take the last 20 odd games and we'd be running your lot close. It's just that we started to play dominant, easy on the eye football that we earn recognition. We're 3rd in the League, one point behind 2nd place - we must have been doing something right virtually all season.

For the first time since Fergie left it feels like a team with purpose. We have more or less set 11, players learned the tactics and play with confidence. It's refreshing to say the least and I'm positive for the first time that it's not another false dawn. Nothing suggest it is, the results have been there for a long time and now we've played good/great football in 4 games in a row.

We'll see on Sunday how we it pans out.

As for De Gea - would obviously be in my top 3 but I was talking outfield players.

bosnian_red · Apr 10, 2015

ItsEssexRob said:
On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.

I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.

Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?

Honestly, on paper I don't think they have a better squad/starting 11 then us at all. Silva and Aguero are class of course, and Zabaleta is a very good right back despite having a poor year and Toure on his day can be class, but we've got plenty of class players. Less then a year ago Di Maria was seen as one of the top 5 arguably, but top 10 definitely players in the world, and a better player then anyone City have. Aguero for all his class when he is at his best, is far too injury prone and goes through poor spells like everyone does, and we are comparing him with Rooney. Both are at a similar level IMO. The depth up front is similar in terms of big names but underperforming probably. In midfield, I'd take Carrick and Herrera ahead of Toure and Fernandinho/Fernando every day of the week.

Obviously going name by name and comparing them doesn't mean much, but City's squad is very much on the way down and at this point their individual players aren't very good bar Silva and Aguero. I've been saying it all season that as a squad they are very average and have turned into like what United was in Fergie's latter years without the winners mentality, a group of overpaid squad players with a world class striker and a great creator like Silva. There are a few other solid players like Silva and Fernandinho, but other then that they really need to improve on all of their players.

LeftyBlaster · Apr 11, 2015

gooDevil said:
I certainly agree that balance is as important as quality, you don't want a whole squad of Angel di Maria's, adding in Ashley Young would make a team of di Maria's better.

Young spreads the defense wide, creating space in the center of the pitch, and does a great job of retaining the ball in tight places and in general. He shift the ball back inside for the most part, but again they can't all be stars. Fellaini and Rooney end up being the recipients of the goals and assists that come through passing moves including Young.

It's hard to say where to draw the line in the debate of offense vs. defense, it depends on tactics that I only have a passing understanding of.

I think di Maria can also play that same role of spreading wide and recycling possession. His passing percentage has been better than Young's for three straight games now. Yet a perception persists that he misplaces more passes than he completes and Young never gives it away.

I'll be pleased either way, I've been really impressed with Young's determination, professionalism and resurgence, I hope he scores a hat trick.

I'll admit I've been guilty of that. And again I might be wrong but I feel like Young has more of an understanding with the team at the moment. It's just a tad more cohesive with him. Maybe my view's skewed because he's been on the pitch more than ADM and we haven't seen much of the latter in the last few outings.

Oneunited26 · Apr 11, 2015

Shark said:
The idea that City are just a team of overpaid players that 'aren't trying' is ridiculous. When we went through a bad patch we were deemed shite, why aren't City? they have been wank all season and really aren't looking like a great team these days. Take Aguero and Silva out of that team and it's looking very ordinary on paper too.

It is more to do with the fact, our fall from grace last season, out of europe, new management, and not looking convincing all year. The style has changed, but its been very labored in our approach, ever since VG moved a few players around, brought more balance to the team do we look more convincing

Americano · Apr 11, 2015

Why does it seem like we always plan on a Sunday? I'm just here to complain about that.

Theafonis · Apr 11, 2015

Kompany is out apparently. I think United will win this 2-1 with goals from Rooney and Mata.

hbgreg · Apr 11, 2015

We're gonna win, c'mon guys!!!

Insanity · Apr 11, 2015

I am convinced that we are going to win this. Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing..

Grib · Apr 11, 2015

Tomuś said:
How do you measure that exactly? Do you mean the talent's ceiling of each player or what? For me City's main strength has been the overperforming of players like Milner, Navas and Clichy. I don't buy the general view that 'They have a wonder team but some of the stars underperform' which would mean they have massive room for improvement.

Looking at that City side suggested by some I'm far from being overwhelmed to be honest. I can see 3 great players like Silva, Kompany, Aguero in the first 11 but that would be that. On paper, Mata, Di Maria and Rooney surely match that if you're talking about talent purely.

I honestly can't see how our best 11 is significantly worse than theirs. It's extremely close.

It's not, your right. AND (as you know), we're in far better form and they're in turbo shit form

That's not to say they wont be up for it, but fudge it!!! let have them!!

I've a very very very good feeling about this, these boys are toilet recently, lets have them

SATA · Apr 11, 2015

Who are City's backup defenders?

Mani · Apr 11, 2015

SATA said:
Who are City's backup defenders?

Mangala or Demichelies

Mani · Apr 11, 2015

I worry about our defending,specially against those set pieces and corners.Hope we don't concede on those.

okLaptop1 · Apr 11, 2015

I predicted 1-1 on the poll but I'm increasingly confident about this game. Which isn't a good sign, I haven't felt this confident since before the 6-1 game.

SqueakyWeasel · Apr 11, 2015

Surprise surprise McMannaman the only BT pundit that predicts a City win tomorrow on Fletch & Sav. He simply can't bring himself to say that United might stand a chance!

Pity, I used to really respect him as a player when he moved to Real but he really is a world class knob with a huge chip on his shoulder!

Ananke · Apr 11, 2015

Not been this excited about a derby since...well...just since.

Obviously hope we win, but most of all I just hope we perform like we have been doing. I'd hate for us to go out there, let a goal in, see heads drop and watch us play abysmal football because of it. We need to keep up this style and momentum that we're playing with.

End to end football on my sunday afternoon please.

Adisa · Apr 11, 2015

SqueakyWeasel said:
Surprise surprise McMannaman the only BT pundit that predicts a City win tomorrow on Fletch & Sav. He simply can't bring himself to say that United might stand a chance!

Pity, I used to really respect him as a player when he moved to Real but he really is a world class knob with a huge chip on his shoulder!

Remember before the Liverpool game when he was adamant we would get run over 3-0. The bt pundits are worse than sky as for as i'm concerned.

Rado_N · Apr 11, 2015

We're going to dry bum them.

Oneunited26 · Apr 11, 2015

SqueakyWeasel said:
Surprise surprise McMannaman the only BT pundit that predicts a City win tomorrow on Fletch & Sav. He simply can't bring himself to say that United might stand a chance!

Pity, I used to really respect him as a player when he moved to Real but he really is a world class knob with a huge chip on his shoulder!

When jeff stelling said to Charlie Nicolson just after United beat villa, if next year if united sign a few players, could they challenge for the title? Nicolson also could not bring himself to say they could be a real contender, going back to the cop out excuse, united's defence needs sorting out, like chelsea city and arsenal are so sorted out at the back is well

When a club like United have been in mess they have been since moyes took over, it's seems hard for guys like a mac or a nicolson to accept the fact United are going to be dangerous again, when they have enjoyed our laughing Stoke run for so long

Zoo · Apr 11, 2015

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MikeUpNorth · Apr 11, 2015

The most confident I've been going into a derby in a long time. Which makes me nervous.

SqueakyWeasel · Apr 11, 2015

Sure it won't be necessary but … this'll get you in the mood if you're not already:

rotherham_red · Apr 11, 2015

I really think we're gonna lose. :-(

An up for it City beating us by the odd goal, with Toure rolling back the years is all I can see happening tomorrow.

Stack · Apr 11, 2015

Shit, the season is nearly over and then we have nothing for a while

shabadu84 · Apr 11, 2015

MikeUpNorth said:
The most confident I've been going into a derby in a long time. Which makes me nervous.

Probably most confidence since the 1-6 happened

ivaldo · Apr 11, 2015

Definitely feels like the biggest game of the season to me.

Dunk · Apr 11, 2015

We won't lose lads.

gooDevil · Apr 11, 2015

Dunk said:
We won't lose lads.

Brave man to make that statement when one like away from promotion. Quoted so we can blame or praise you.

gooDevil · Apr 11, 2015

ivaldo said:
Definitely feels like the biggest game of the season to me.

Love this time of the season, they all feel that way in the run in!

RDCR07 · Apr 11, 2015

The confidence that we will get if beat tomorrow will be vital for the run in. Beating Spurs, Liverpool and City in less than a month would be amazing given the season we have had.

ChaddyP · Apr 11, 2015

Squeaky Bum time

Di Maria's angel · Apr 11, 2015

ChaddyP said:
Squeaky Bum time

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