Yeah, I agree. I blame the WC for this formation.
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Will say it again,3-5-2 is not an issue,its the way how they play in that formation,seems some players having trouble to change their habits.Maybe i am wrong but i cant remember when last time i saw one of our LB/WLB/RB/WRB running inside of their defender,between their CB and LB/RB,or when we played something through middle in last 3rd,then people ask why we dont get penalties...we have players to play all kinds of way but at the moment we are just stuck.
Gotta say LVG has disappointed me....I really do expect more from him...I mean this is not too hard, is it?Fair play to Southampton, they made it really hard for us to create anything and have been quick on the counter. They should've already beaten us at St Mary's, so I guess the two games even out, as I thought we were the better team today, despite no shots hitting the target
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Valencia emailing Jones Shaw
Carrick
Herrera/blind Di maria
Mata
Rooney RVP
Rather lose 4-3, than this drab. And stop with Blackett please!We've become a team who resort to lumping balls forward at a big, one dimensional forward to try and steal a draw against bigger teams.
The difference between us and a championship side is that we're doing this with players like Di Maria, Van Persie, Falcao, Januzaj and Wilson sitting on the sidelines.We only looked liked scoring after we went a goal down, where was the urgnecy for the rest of the 70 min, like players dont even try to score as long as its 0-0
e-mailing … football in the digital age!
We never looked like scoring because there was nothing to link our forwards to our midfield who were all playing as defenders!Liverpool will be contending before we do again
Well that and the inability of our attack to complete any decisive passesBig fan of Carrick but he was well off the pace. Nearly as poor as Di Maria - he looked like a shit Nani.
What I meant is that I've often thought we don't look defensively solid, despite our impressive defensive record and stats. Today we actually looked solid imo, yet today's the day we lose.
Let's be honest though, they only had one decent chance which was the goal. And they got pretty lucky with it coming off the post straight to Tadic.We needed some bite today, and Carrick does not give you that. Schneiderlin and Wanyama looked better than him.Not matter what ander needs to start..
Exactly, I would rather lose an exciting match and feel a bit unlucky, than be completely out thought, which he was and be boring as hell.
He better start against QPR or I will be spitting. If RvP is injured he will have to start Rooney up front. Anything to stop Rooney thinking he is Zidane.Today displayed why Ronald Koeman was regarded as LVG successor for the Holland team.
He was brave, observant, took advantage of mistakes, positive,simple and had solid shape throughout the game. He also changed the game with substitutions.
LVG is all honesty is just a stop gap manager, he's here to fix Moyes mess, once he's done that, we'll have to look to the future and going to the next level, for a long time now, among the top coaches LVG has been a nearly man, he always loses his job before the next era begins, i think that will happen again.
Credit to LVG for being better than Moyes which is not difficult, but if this was 2013/14 standards he'd being under alot of pressure and he's very in that regard, I rrespect LVG but its clearly evident he is very stubborn and arrogant as he completely underestimated the intensity and strength of the premier league, he underestimates the opposition and affords to take such big risks because of that.Deserved all three points even though they played shitty. Southampton were shittier. But, I guess in terms of the two games, a split in points is fair.
The only player (other than De Gea) that wasn't blah or worse was Valencia. Our left side was dreadful unlit the last 15 minutes when some crosses we made only because Southampton were content the have them come in from positions 30 yard s from the goal line.
Now to talk about two players. First, RVP. He looks like a dying horse out there. I'm tired of the team being set around him. It's not all about him. Please no contract extension. I think the team would be served with Rooney as the number one striker. As Rooney has played in positions for the best of the team, now that the club is healthy he should be moved up top and RVP should step aside for the best of the team.
Now, as for Luke Shaw. I'm going to give him SAF time. This year, whatever. But so far, I really miss Patrice Evra. Shaw can't beat anyone. The only way he creates anything is to run into space. But if a defence challenges him, that's the end. I mean this guy cost a bundle and I'm not seeing the talent to justify it.
As for the rest of the newcomers, you have this season, and you better finish at least in 3rd place. Next year will be the ultimate judgement of these players and the manager.
As for the manager and the team play. This is not the World Cup. You can't be as predictable in your play.
Ultimately, if you are going to be a top side, you have to be able to break down sides set up to stifle your play. One of the way youi have to be able to do that is to have players that can beat the opposition one on one and in some cases one on two.A few simple adjustments would turn us from grim to great.
Back 4.
Diamond
Di Maria from a deep position.
Rooney in the hole.
One of, but not both, RvP and Falcao.
Looking ahead, break the fukking bank for Strootman now.
No chance of Rooney thinking that. The poor guy works too hard trying to win the ball back. That's something Zidane never had to or was expected to do.I'll be honest, when we had SAF, I never blamed the manager not once, it was always the players, the ref or the opposition being cheaters or being great.
Even with Moyes I refused to acknowledge it was him but around Feb 2014 when it all became tainted, since then I've found it easier to say..."Ok look, what the manager does here, massively affects the players".
I feel LVG nulified his own players, such as Di Maria, Carrick, Rooney, Mata. His system deflates our attacking mentality. We play like we are going through the motions, Sideways passes, long ball records and back passes to DDG are being done excessively.
We do have pace but the way he sets out, their no playing between the lines, the right players, Blind and Carrrick are on the field but they are deployed in the wrong areas just to fulfill the duties of this awful system. We have so many big names being played and that has ruined our balance, Rooney and Mata cannot play together in a 3-5-2. It's confusing it's a shambles.We need to get defences on the turn which means runners from deep and someone who attempts to play a through ball of some description.
No I am far from happy, in fact pretty pissed off and some of the comments I do agree with, the LVG out one was the last straw for me.Are you happy with this, out of curiosity? I will get a reaction out of you.
I am not enjoying watching United right now, the formation is not working for us and the subs are a bit baffling at times.
I don't agree with the LvG out stuff, but if he doesn't change how we play, just let them go out and enjoy themselves. The decision might be taken out of his hands if we don't finish at least 4th. SAF would be rubbing his hands having some of the players we have now. To LvG it seems to be a problem, as though he would rather have reallly mediocre ones to deal with.
I agree sometime it looks like he does not know how to use his best players and I have to admit that is a big worry for me.
I am still thinking that he needs time, with a fully fit squad who are all match fit.------------------------ De Gea ---------------------------
Jones/McNair - Smalling -- Rojo ---------- Shaw ----
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Do it.For all the abuse Moyes got, we are only 2 points better under LvG at the same stage of the season with another 150 million spent. I wanted rid of Moyes way back in October, but he managed same results with half the team against him. The football played under LvG is not much better, actually seems worse, because we are creating nothing for the strikers. Not sure why people seem to think we are playing better football, it looks good passing between the defenders and the goalkeeper, but anything in the last third of the pitch looks pathetic.
LvG is stating that Southampton came looking for a draw, so what was he trying to achieve with that lineup? He is playing with 5 at the back with Carrick acting as the 6th man in defense. For a couple of games, Di Maria looked liked he was going to run away with the player of the year awards in a midfield role, but LvG decided he will play him as winger, than as a 2nd striker. Falcao has missed half a season, but LvG decides to totally leave him out of the game, just when we needed a goal poacher with that pathetic lineup.
This team is a mess because of LvG. We have the squad to be much better than what we are even with the injuries. We are lucky that Liverpool, Everton and until recently Arsenal have not matched last seasons performances, otherwise we would not be sitting in the top 4.
Unless LvG changes this pathetic lineup by the next game, i want him gone. This is not the way United play, and LvG is too stubborn to change.
Moyes had 37 points at this stage last season, on this day last year he beat Swansea 2-0 at home. LVG currently has 37 too.37 points from 21 game same as last season with DM. Yes we are fourth because Liverpool and Arsenal are poor. Sad but true.
But what about the philosophy?The philosshhophhiee works better with the diamond. He's already found the right tactic for it but is to adamant to change which is a shame. I just can't take this 352 nonsense anymore..
If you're wondering about right back i'd obviously want Rafael to play. Jones/McNair in this line up would be told to focus purely on defending and let Shaw attack. Some of the midfield/attack can go wide to the right on occassion for width.
Both of you are right, it was 37 points. That too with half the team against him, and spending 150 million less.
I cannot understand why people are saying we are playing better football, they must love all those passes between the defenders, Carrick and goal keeper.
Cannot stand this man's arrogance anymore, i know it's not going to happen, but he needs to go, preferably soon, so someone else can save the rest of the season.When will LvG understand that whatever his philosophy about 3-5-2 is that the players are not ready to play that philosophy.. He is concerned about players being match ready, why not philosophy ready...
If we had played a 4-1-2-1-2 yesterday and players like ADM and Rooney in their best positions, then we would have had at least a few shots on target or some realistic chances... Yesterday was a complete tactical loss against Koeman. Anyone could have seen early that Sou'ton were not coming too forward and sitting at back. It was us who needed to take it to the opposition.. 4 at the back with Rooney as forward would have perfectly given us that. Instead LvG likes to be stubborn and prove some point that his 3-5-2 is best for the team and what happened at the WC was not a fluke..
This is something that has always bothered me, people comparing points totals in different seasons. It means feck all. If our competition was more consistent this season, then we would almost definitely be more consistent as well.
Look at United between 2010 and 2012. In 09/10, we got 85 points, in 10/11 we got 80 points, in 11/12 we got 89 points. The one year we won the title was in 10/11 when we got 80 points, and we won it by 9 points, and we got to the champions league final that season. Are you going to say that we were worse that season then the year before and year after because we got 5 and 9 points less over the course of the season?I dont know why people are complaining about not having Falcao in the team yesterday.. He would have been shitty in midfield anyways..
Not sure how anyone can bemoan a lack of bite in a game where we dominated possession and barely conceded a chance to the opposition.
The major issue was a lack of creativity - I don't think the system helped us, but all of our major creative outlets had poor games. I'm at a loss as to how such a talented cast of players (on paper) can look so tumescent - it's an old problem rearing its head: barring a couple of exceptions, a number of our players are technically deficient when it matters - poor first touch, final ball, etc.
I was pointing out the points total to last year because of all the grief that everyone, including me, gave Moyes. People seem to think we are better off with LvG which i disagree with. We are not playing better, neither are we getting the results. Apart from a couple of games, we have looked in shambles as soon as we cross the half way line. We have some of the best attacking players in the league, but LvG has them neutered with the way he has the team set up.
Yea a lot of people laughed when people called for Moyes's head last year, look how that turned out. LvG 10-15 years ago was a risk taker, now he is taking the safe way out because he had some success in a knockout tournament.feck me
Anyway, if you like what you see from the team, and are happy that United could not muster a single shot on target, or had the lowest amount of shots on goal since Opta started keeping stats, against the same opposition last month, then good luck to you sir.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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24%
Antonio Valencia
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19%
Juan Mata
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7%
Chris Smalling
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4%
Michael Carrick
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3%
David de Gea
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Luke Shaw
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1%
Wayne Rooney
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1%
Ander Herrera
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1%
Angel Di Maria
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1%
Phil Jones
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 501 ratings.
Score Predictions
629,52,85
- Man Utd win
- Southampton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Man Utd 2:1 Southampton
- 17% Man Utd 3:1 Southampton
- 16% Man Utd 2:0 Southampton
- 8% Man Utd 3:0 Southampton
- 6% Man Utd 1:1 Southampton
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 Southampton
- 4% Man Utd 1:2 Southampton
- 3% Man Utd 2:2 Southampton
- 3% Man Utd 3:2 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 Southampton
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Southampton
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Southampton
- 1% Man Utd 1:3 Southampton
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Southampton
- 1% Man Utd 4:2 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 0:3 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 2:3 Southampton
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Southampton
- Possession
- 61% 39%
- Shots
- 10 9
- Shots on Target
- 0 1
- Corners
- 3 5
- Fouls
- 9 10
Referee
Phil Dowd
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Marouane Fellaini
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