Tottenham Hotspur 2:0 Manchester United

Anustart89 · Jan 31, 2018

edgar allan said:
clutching at straws mate. They played us and battled us off the park.

I'm really not. Imagine we get a penalty goal in the 55th minute from the handball (or whenever it was was).

Of course our mentality changes and theirs does too. Don't you remember the five-goal penalty we got in 2009? That came in the 56th minute and we turned it around to win 5-2 after a hopeless first half.

superdry · Jan 31, 2018

Well that went well didn't it chaps, we kicked our own arses tonight :rolleyes:

ravi2 · Jan 31, 2018

Dans said:
one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a United side

Harun said:
This, without a doubt.

This is almost right up there with the game against Fulham we had under Moyes

iam_kramer · Jan 31, 2018

tony54 said:
I dont think you can blame Lukaku, if he never got the ball. Generally the whole defence is lacking, Smalling cant move the ball forward, and pogba is not a midfield defender so Matic was on his own, which makes him look bad. We need another central defender and two proper midfielders who can attack and defend. But we know that we are lacking in these departments as well as the 2 fullbacks,

I'm talking about when he gets the ball. Obviously the way we play mitigates my accusations; we are awful in attack, we rarely put together a decent passage of play.

I'm not only talking about this game of course, Lukaku's issues in this game were the same as others. I'm not blaming him for this defeat, the set up was poor because the team that was put out there can't play together against teams of similar quality, which is clearly the management's fault. But Lukaku's shortcomings this season were things we were forewarned about, but I certainly didn't think his touch and passing was so bad, certainly not to the extent I've seen this season.

crossy1686 · Jan 31, 2018

spiriticon said:
This kinda contradicts your earlier point about the board's need to spend big money. We don't need to spend big money, we need to spend smart money.

None of the players we signed since 2013 have been worth it. Our best player is still goddamn DAVID DE GEA the GOALIE.

You get my point. I was referring more to Pogba and Lukaku. I would disagree with that. The players I just mentioned have kept us competitive.

iammemphis · Jan 31, 2018

iammemphis said:
I get more and more pissed off at Jones the more i see that replay. Unforgivable defending, why isn’t he clearing that with his left if he is so pathetically inept at knocking the ball out on his right.

Killing Jones for this in the post-match analysis. fecking shambles.

superdry · Jan 31, 2018

iammemphis said:
Killing Jones for this in the post-match analysis. fecking shambles.

He should come out of that changing room with both eyes blacked.

edgar allan · Jan 31, 2018

Anustart89 said:
I'm really not. Imagine we get a penalty goal in the 55th minute from the handball (or whenever it was was).

Of course our mentality changes and theirs does too. Don't you remember the five-goal penalty we got in 2009? That came in the 56th minute and we turned it around to win 5-2 after a hopeless first half.

We haven't had that fight since Ferguson retired. A team without any bottle characterised by the jogging Pogba.
We got what we deserved, we were lucky it wasn't a proper hiding

afrocentricity · Jan 31, 2018

Stacks said:
So Man Utd just need a goal hanger to tap in goals? we had Chica for that and he was deemed not suitable.

That's your reply? Chica? Do you think they are similar?

I cba.... I'm off.

Pyro19 · Jan 31, 2018

afrocentricity said:
We just need him to score goals, we didn't buy him for his all round game or chance creation. I ain't being funny but it was well established that if we provide for him he'll score the goals.

We are struggling to provide for him, we're all sat here watching a whole team feck up over and over again before it even gets anywhere near him but he's getting dug out? Its like y'all were waiting....

It's not like I want him to fail here, but his fundamental game is Shockingly bad. There are mid table strikers who can

- hold up a long ball better than him
- pass better than him
- finish better than him
- Dribble better than him
- Win headers more consistently than he does
- Head a ball better than he does

Name 1 thing that you can safely say that Lukaku does better than every striker than plays in a Top 6 team in the premier league.

As I said, I'm not blaming him for this match since this is how he ALWAYS plays even in the matches where we smash the opposition completely.

I too like you thought that as long as he maintains his goal tally we'll be fine but now that I see him play every week I cannot believe how bad some fundamental aspects of his game are.

Android1974 · Jan 31, 2018

balaks said:
Only having pogba and matic in midfield was madness.

Of course.

edgar allan · Jan 31, 2018

iammemphis said:
Killing Jones for this in the post-match analysis. fecking shambles.

Jones was terrible today, however it was out of keeping with his performances this year.

Pogba, Lukaku,Smalling, Mata, Herrera Young have been regularly hopeless

Toad · Jan 31, 2018

freeurmind said:
Real concern in this team. If the title race was tight, you'd never expect this group of players to show the character to ocme out on top. Almost every time the game is a bit difficult, our players fold like a pack of cards and show petulance and disinterest instead of desire and passion. No shame to lose 2-0 at Spurs but you'd like to see at least one player try to get us back into the game.

The biggest mistake was to ty and shoehorn Sanchez into the team with the detriment of playing other in form players out of position. Sanchez is new to the team, he should be the one to play somewhere else. The players that should be showing leadership ability which are Matic, Young, Smalling and Valencia were as bad as everybody else and consistently made errors and were out of position. If these senior players can’t get it right then it really has an effect on the youngsters in the team.

We desperately need Bailly back form injury. He really holds it together back there.

Although Jose is to blame on the whole, 2 in midfield against Spurs away is the most absurd bit of management he has done at United so far.

afrocentricity · Jan 31, 2018

Pyro19 said:
It's not like I want him to fail here, but his fundamental game is Shockingly bad. There are mid table strikers who can

- hold up a long ball better than him
- pass better than him
- finish better than him
- Dribble better than him
- Win headers more consistently than he does
- Head a ball better than he does

Name 1 thing that you can safely say that Lukaku does better than every striker than plays in a Top 6 team in the premier league.

As I said, I'm not blaming him for this match since this is how he ALWAYS plays even in the matches where we smash the opposition completely.

I too like you thought that as long as he maintains his goal tally we'll be fine but now that I see him play every week I cannot believe how bad some fundamental aspects of his game are.

I guess unlike you, I am well aware of his game. We weren't playing to it today, ffs we weren't playing to any game plan as far as I can see. Struggled to string passes together anywhere outside our own half.

I can't blame him for that....

Anustart89 · Jan 31, 2018

edgar allan said:
We haven't had that fight since Ferguson retired. A team without any bottle characterised by the jogging Pogba.
We got what we deserved, we were lucky it wasn't a proper hiding

So we're just going to have "we're never going to turn a game around again" as the starting point for any conversation around the team?

We didn't show any fight today, but I have a hard time seeing Tottenham not being affected by conceding a goal, and I have a hard time seeing us not be positively affected by scoring one. To assume that the mental state of both teams would've been unchanged by a goal that made it 2-1 is silly.

Turnip · Jan 31, 2018

"When the game is 2-0 the game is in their hands", that's so fecking annoying to hear, no it's not, have a bit of fight for fecks sake! Kick a boot in someone's face if you have to.

edgar allan · Jan 31, 2018

Anustart89 said:
So we're just going to have "we're never going to turn a game around again" as the starting point for any conversation around the team?

We didn't show any fight today, but I have a hard time seeing Tottenham not being affected by conceding a goal, and I have a hard time seeing us not be positively affected by scoring one. To assume that the mental state of both teams would've been unchanged by a goal that made it 2-1 is silly.

It would have changed the game dynamics for sure.....but I don't think we would have come back and won.
Our recent history supports that, remind me of the last game against decent opposition that we came back against?

We could easily have been 4 down at that stage, they had a definite penalty not given. They opened us up at will.

There are no excuses for the lack of fight or application in that game. We stunk the place out.

afrocentricity · Jan 31, 2018

There's a million reasons why we got smashed today. I'd put shitshows by Jones, Pogba, and Young high up the list, as well as shoehorning Sanchez in before we've even figured out how we should use him in our team. Probably should have come on later, we should have stuck to what we know for this game.

fellaini's barber · Jan 31, 2018

Commentators where talking about him receiving a knock 30s after he came in, long before he was taken off

Drifter said:
Looking forward to hearing why Jose took of Fellaini

Anustart89 · Jan 31, 2018

edgar allan said:
It would have changed the game dynamics for sure.....but I don't think we would have come back and won.
Our recent history supports that, remind me of the last game against decent opposition that we came back against?

We could easily have been 4 down at that stage, they had a definite penalty not given. They opened us up at will.

There are no excuses for the lack of fight or application in that game. We stunk the place out.

Well, the thing is we'll never know because the penalty wasn't given. But we sure would've had a better chance had we been given it.

As for the rest of your post, I've not once denied we were shite and had it not been for de Gea we would've been four or five down, so I don't really see why you're trying to argue that point in both your responses to me.

edgar allan · Jan 31, 2018

Anustart89 said:
Well, the thing is we'll never know because the penalty wasn't given. But we sure would've had a better chance had we been given it.

As for the rest of your post, I've not once denied we were shite and had it not been for de Gea we would've been four or five down, so I don't really see why you're trying to argue that point in both your responses to me.

I guess i am just so upset with that performance tonight.

Anustart89 · Jan 31, 2018

edgar allan said:
I guess i am just so upset with that performance tonight.

That makes two of us, mate.

Janson · Jan 31, 2018

Stacks said:
Rashford did not play. 3 of them are very experienced. City play Sane and Sterling

I meant in general, not just this game. You can say Pogba and Lukaku are experienced but they are also still young and haven't been consistent with us.

City have a much more functional structure around them, it's different when you have that much money. While we're still lacking in the FB area.

Bubz27 · Jan 31, 2018

GlastonSpur said:
Well, Spurs fully deserved that win. To be honest it was a bit of a stroll. Could have been (should have been) 3 - 0 with the pen that was not given. Could easily have been 4 or more.

You sound dangerously like us when we were down out of the top 4 and you were in second.

Giggsyking · Jan 31, 2018

no chance in 60 minuets ?

I feel sorry for the fans after giving the translator a new contract.

mad1max954 · Jan 31, 2018

Apart from 15 mins after conceding the first goal we were absolute shite. Players have to take responsibility but Jose should of changed it early in my opinion. Lingard for hererra. Sanchez to the right, martial to the left. At least we would of been more solid, the game was gone with just 2 in the middle. That said jones was embarrassing, young should never play against a top team at left back again. matic looked completely out of shape, lukaku pretty much didn t do anything all game. Shite

Edit - to say spurs did look extremely impressive too.

Swift Football · Jan 31, 2018

Today's game showed so many of our weaknesses.
To start with - Jones - inability to win headers against powerful strikers. He lost one more header against Dier in corners which could have ended up in goal, luckily for us, it dint. The way of clearance he attempted from which we conceded own goal was completely wrong. Clearly, should have gone with left foot. Couldnt win the ball in multiple occasions. As usual, he dint go in the opposition box when we had corners. Set pieces in big games are so important.

Smalling - Well, his inability to play the ball was exploited by spurs throughout the game.
At times, it looked like our defence was playing with each other, only to back pass to DE Gea who will finally hoof the ball.

Young - by design, i think, he was in very advanced positions and left so much space behind him at times. Fair to him, he made few crosses, but were not accurate.

Pogba - He had a very poor game, lost the possession too many times. Should have made simple passes, instead hold on to the ball and only to lose out and get frustrated. ALso, dint provide enough cover to the defence.

Martial - Not much at fault, but his pressing was non existent. Mutiple times Sanchez and Lukaku pressed their man, only for martial to leave his man and giving them way out. Also, should have made a simple pass to lukaku when he came from right instead of shooting hard, but thats' football, cannot always make right decision. After bringing so many central defenders, we are still with SMalling and Jones for whatever reasons. We need to improve on them.

Lukaku - Dint get any good service from our midfield. Should improve his holdup play massively. He dint look like he had good understanding with other attackers at times. Won few headers, but then dint direct ball towards runner. Need to have a plan with others as in where he would try to direct the ball when he wins headers.

Physicality - We had rested few of our players for this game, but during the game, it looked like they were rested. They were simply better and stronger than us everywhere in the pitch.

Passing - Our general level of passing is not good. We struggled to thread good passes thoughout the game. Time and time again, we had to back pass to goalkeeper who will hoof the ball to take the ball forward.

Overall, we were so poor. Its not that we had these issues only on this game, we had them in many games. But being behind from just 11 seconds, all these shortcomings were exposed brutually tonight.

I think we have a lot to work on. Mourinho's signings have been magnificent in general, but LIndelof was one clear exception. After spending so many money, we are still with Smalling and Jones as our center halves for whatever reasons, I think we need to improve there.

Canagel · Jan 31, 2018

Turnip said:
"When the game is 2-0 the game is in their hands", that's so fecking annoying to hear, no it's not, have a bit of fight for fecks sake! Kick a boot in someone's face if you have to.

This. Mourinho seemed to imply the players gave up at 2-0. That would've been unheard of when Fergie was here. Remember us being 3-0 down in 2001. Remember being 2-0 down in 2009 at OT. It's in the history of this club to never give up. The game was far from over but we threw the towel in after 5 minutes in the 2nd half. Weak mentality from this team.

Baby Groot · Jan 31, 2018

Offside said:
Glad to see people recognising how bad that was. There might actually be a backlash rather than having to endure Pogba and Lingard dancing on instagram tomorrow as though it never happened

Paul Pogba need to sort his life out. The guy is so talented but is just being allowed to do what he wants. Same with Martial and others. Cares more about his hair and lifestyle than he does about the football. When has he ever produced anything at a critical time for us? Gets so overrated as if he is Scholes part II.

The guy isn’t fit to lace the boots of Darren Fletcher to be quite honest.

If Scholes came out of retirement I'm willing to bet he did be the best player on the pitch.

LilyWhiteSpur · Feb 1, 2018

Anustart89 said:
I'm really not. Imagine we get a penalty goal in the 55th minute from the handball (or whenever it was was).

Of course our mentality changes and theirs does too. Don't you remember the five-goal penalty we got in 2009? That came in the 56th minute and we turned it around to win 5-2 after a hopeless first half.

Imagine if we had gotten the pen for the challenge on Alli.

unitedforeveral · Feb 1, 2018

peridigm said:
This is my prediction as well. IT think this game will have goals so I've gone 3-2 United but could easily see it being 2-0 or 3-0 United. Either way, it should be an entertaining match. I took the afternoon off so I can watch.

We got the team sheet right but i guess the end result or our type of play was not good at all

peridigm · Feb 1, 2018

unitedforeveral said:
We got the team sheet right but i guess the end result or our type of play was not good at all

I should have gone back to work 30 seconds after the match started.

RexHamilton · Feb 1, 2018

InLevyITrust said:
Imagine if we had gotten the pen for the challenge on Alli.

Definite penalty too.

And to compare this Spurs team and their performance last night to the team that crumbled to the 5-2 defeat is laughable. We didn't threaten Spurs last night after the second goal because Spurs had us sussed. They pressed every ball and every pass we made was under pressure and panicked. Spurs were well worth their win and aside from the time in between the two goals, completely controlled us and the game.

Paul the Wolf · Feb 1, 2018

Stormsurfer21 said:
Good luck with that! Can be a daunting task, unfortunately.

RedPed said:
Wow, that must suck! Good luck with not finding out the result!

Got 10/11. Went with my heart rather than head with Rojo instead of Smalling. Ah well.

I did manage to avoid the result, just watched the match and rather disappointed to say the least. The last PL match I didn't watch live was the Huddersfield defeat. There's a lesson in their somewhere.

RedPed · Feb 1, 2018

Paul the Wolf said:
I did manage to avoid the result, just watched the match and rather disappointed to say the least. The last PL match I didn't watch live was the Huddersfield defeat. There's a lesson in their somewhere.

Certainly wasn't worth the wait was it?? Was so looking forward to this game as well.

Paul the Wolf · Feb 1, 2018

RedPed said:
Certainly wasn't worth the wait was it?? Was so looking forward to this game as well.

I was too but nothing came off up front, the defence was terrible, the midfield outnumbered and the goal straight after kickoff killed it.
I just found out Chelsea lost 0-3 to Bournemouth at home so not everything is gloomy.
Have to forget this and kick on again.

Canagel · Feb 1, 2018

What is it with the slow start? 11 seconds is just ridiculous. It happened at Chelsea too last season.

Stormsurfer21 · Feb 1, 2018

Paul the Wolf said:
I did manage to avoid the result, just watched the match and rather disappointed to say the least. The last PL match I didn't watch live was the Huddersfield defeat. There's a lesson in their somewhere.

What a frustrating and terrible game it was, but as you say we have to move on and bounce back. Won't be able to watch the match against Huddersfield live (for the first time this season). Hoping for a better performance and result. Now it's my turn to try to avoid the result.

Paul the Wolf · Feb 2, 2018

Stormsurfer21 said:
What a frustrating and terrible game it was, but as you say we have to move on and bounce back. Won't be able to watch the match against Huddersfield live (for the first time this season). Hoping for a better performance and result. Now it's my turn to try to avoid the result.

Hoping for a big win to compensate and this one I can watch live. Good luck avoiding the result.

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