Another problem is that refs will start to become scared of giving a penalty unless they are 100% sure.
if we are talking about the incident when the ball is kicked from 5 yards away then yeah, Mane goal shouldn’t have been called handball under Ole rule. In this case it was long pass from nearly half way line, it was handball under any rule. He didn’t control the ball using his hand but he used to gain advantage.
It literally happened live on camera yesterday with Gary Neville.
That is exactly how it is for me. I knew the Rashford goal could be overturned, so didn’t celebrate much. Just like when you know a player is likely offside.
I literally did this yesterday in the ground... as I was pretty convinced that Lindelof fouled Divock (still think it was a foul too)
Yeah thats key for me, how far back in the game do you go and ow much of the ref's decisions do you overturn. He was fouled under the nose of the ref in United's half. The ref deemed it not to be a foul (probably not helped by Origi's theatrical dive). United go up the other end of the pitch against a properly set Liverpool defence and score.
You go on the phase of play, say if the ball was cleared to the edge of the box instead of being scored then someone got the ball played it out wide and you then scored VAR wouldn't come into it as it's a different phase of play
In one.
Yep... Its just arrogance really. "Oh we'll use your fancy new tool, but we'll do it better then you lot 'cos we're the most bestest and the biggest league in the whole wide world"
Exactly my view as well. It should be something wrong around the goal scorer or maybe the one who made the pass but not some tiny detail happening on the other side of the pitch half a year earlier.
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1) I just don't think about VAR until the commentator mentions itI started to shout and celebrate then realised what was going on so cut it short and then had the most anxious wait. No fun in that for me.
As time goes on no doubt celebrations will be put on hold.
As for you not believing anyone who says this..
Which one do you mean?
It's worth saying that i was very much in the minority - everyone else around me was going bananas
That's what I mean. VAR isn't the problem, it's just got idiots using it at the moment.
Looks to me like he's trying not to go mental because of the fact he is on TV and he's sat next to a scouser! I don't think VAR played a part in his reaction at all there and I don't see how United fans are giving him stick for it either. We've all been there, not being able to celebrate properly due to our surroundings
People just keep saying that. But they have the very similar VAR controversies as PL every other week and they are not getting much attention, because of less viewers.
Seems reasonable. It wasn't a foul anyway. There's contact on his left calf. A delay. Then he flings his head back and swan dives to the ground because the ball gets away from him. Then he's on the ground holding his other leg.
On basis of watching games.
How do they use it elsewhere? I primarily watch PL so not sure...
I mainly watch La Liga and if for example ref made a questionable decision (goals, yellow/red cards), VAR will tell him and the ref will go to watch the episode on the screen. Then the decision is up to him, similarly to PSG game which I guess you saw. It's not only for "clear and obvious errors" which seems to be the case in PL because they protect the refs so much that they are untouchable. You will still have controversies of course but it just feels much more consistent because the decisions are made by the referee himself, not someone sitting in the studio feck knows where.
The key difference is that they tend to be far more willing to change subjective calls in other leagues, or rather refer them back to the referee to look at himself.
Nobody even appealed for anything, he just decided a 94' penalty would be fun to give.
This was one of the worst decisions I ever saw by a pro ref. It wasn't even doubtful, the ball clearly hits right in the face. How can the ref turn this into a penalty?
