Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey

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lysglimt said:
Depends how you look at it. Alli isn't an exceptionally skilled footballer - but he is (was) maybe one of the best in the P.L at timing his runs. And he needs good footballers around him to set him up. But used in the right way, and when he is in form - he is a massive threat.

But he hasn't been anywhere near that form for almost 2.5 years - he was brilliant 16/17. Good in 17/18. Average in 18/19 and he has started 19/20 really poorly.
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The claim was that Lingard is more talented.

Alli doesn't really lack talent, what should be questioned is his attitude, his role in Tottenham and their general performances. It's not that much of a surprise that Tottenham are struggling given how their season finished, it's difficult to reset when it's easy to get the feeling that they were close to achieving something they might not ever get a shot at again.
 

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His not a midfielder that’s for sure, he needs to be playing closer to the striker. Never a number 8. Although not creative enough to be a 10. His a strange one.
 

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Poch has been picking up average players season after se ason and turning them into fantastic players. Have you seen the money Spurs spent on players? Even Everton, West Ham, Southampton and Newcastle has spent higher :lol:.
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Southampton haven't spent anything net in the last 5 seasons.

But to confound your point, the rest have all spent more than Liverpool too.
 

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UncleBob said:
The claim was that Lingard is more talented.

Alli doesn't really lack talent, what should be questioned is his attitude, his role in Tottenham and their general performances. It's not that much of a surprise that Tottenham are struggling given how their season finished, it's difficult to reset when it's easy to get the feeling that they were close to achieving something they might not ever get a shot at again.
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and in many respects he is - if you look at skills with the ball alone.
 

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He should be somewhere between a 7 and an 11 but he not a 7, nor an 8, nor a 9, nor a 10 and neither an 11...
 

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He's been in poor form but the talent is there. He was really really good in 2016/2017.
 

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lysglimt said:
and in many respects he is - if you look at skills with the ball alone.
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No way Lingard is more talented than Alli. The only thing Lingard is better at is probably his dribbling and that isn't saying much. Alli's passing, finishing, decision-making and off-the-ball movement are easily better.
 

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lysglimt said:
and in many respects he is - if you look at skills with the ball alone.
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Lingard more talented than Dele Alii, I am done :lol::lol:.

The guy hasn't scored since January, if he is more talented, shouldn't he have scored atleast a goal in 10 months.

But Dele Alli though, whatever happened to him? Any Spurs fan care to shed some light on this? Just bad form or genuine decline? Still only 23, mind.
 

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VorZakone said:
He's been in poor form but the talent is there. He was really really good in 2016/2017.
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VJ1762 said:
Lingard more talented than Dele Alii, I am done :lol::lol:.

The guy hasn't scored since January, if he is more talented, shouldn't he have scored atleast a goal in 10 months.

But Dele Alli though, whatever happened to him? Any Spurs fan care to shed some light on this? Just bad form or genuine decline? Still only 23, mind.
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In a way, he is like Lampard. Their main assets are excellent timing, decision making and finishing supported with adequate ball playing skill. He's not someone like who can turn a game on his own. He needs supporting cast to drag defensive line out of shape, feed key pass, setting up for one-two, etc. Otherwise he'll become pretty much ineffectual.

He needs to find his rythm again, the talent is still there. A new pasture or coach might help to reinvigorate his relatively fledgling career. He's only 23, more to come.
 

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goatmeister said:
In a way, he is like Lampard. Their main assets are excellent timing, decision making and finishing supported with adequate ball playing skill. He's not someone like who can turn a game on his own. He needs supporting cast to drag defensive line out of shape, feed key pass, setting up for one-two, etc. Otherwise he'll become pretty much ineffectual.

He needs to find his rythm again, the talent is still there. A new pasture or coach might help to reinvigorate his relatively fledgling career. He's only 23, more to come.
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Always viewed him as a younger Gerrard who also played closer to the striker.
 

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goatmeister said:
In a way, he is like Lampard. Their main assets are excellent timing, decision making and finishing supported with adequate ball playing skill. He's not someone like who can turn a game on his own. He needs supporting cast to drag defensive line out of shape, feed key pass, setting up for one-two, etc. Otherwise he'll become pretty much ineffectual.

He needs to find his rythm again, the talent is still there. A new pasture or coach might help to reinvigorate his relatively fledgling career. He's only 23, more to come.
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harsh on Lampard that, Lampard had way more midfield qualities alongside his goalscoring. Chelsea never used him a 10 because of that. Dele is a second striker, his best season came from him being very close to Kane, he was useless as a 8 at the World Cup and anytime Spurs try play him there.
 

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harsh on Lampard that, Lampard had way more midfield qualities alongside his goalscoring. Chelsea never used him a 10 because of that. Dele is a second striker, his best season came from him being very close to Kane, he was useless as a 8 at the World Cup and anytime Spurs try play him there.
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Easily his best season, scored close to 20 goals. Was poor this last season, but Alli is not alone in this, the whole Spurs squad bar a couple of stand outs has been poor.
 

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Won't happen for a bunch of reasons but I sort of think he'd be a nice fit here (if Pogba leaves this summer as I expect) just because we don't have much hold up play or playmaking in the final 3rd and are the rare big club that could accommodate and even profit from a classic #10 (with McTominay and a new CM behind them and I guess Fred backing up those 2).
 

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goatmeister said:
In a way, he is like Lampard. Their main assets are excellent timing, decision making and finishing supported with adequate ball playing skill. He's not someone like who can turn a game on his own. He needs supporting cast to drag defensive line out of shape, feed key pass, setting up for one-two, etc. Otherwise he'll become pretty much ineffectual.
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Lampard had more to his game and there were no doubts about his ability to play midfield.

Alli is more like a young David Platt, who would also find himself struggling to justify his role anywhere on the pitch without the goals.
 

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Incredible save from Alisson to be fair.

Alli is obviously a talented player, and you'd assume someone would be able to get the best out of him in the right system. Not sure he's suited to this midfield 3, even in a 352, he lacks some of the basic instincts of a genuine midfielder. He's basically always been a second striker, but the Kane-Son partnership offers a lot more.
 

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If this was a question, I think we have the answer. The goals covered up an average footballer.
 

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Just wanted to bump this, purely so people can see the fallacy of knee jerking.

On his way to Besiktas on loan, some downfall that.
 

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The way United fans were creaming themselves over Greizmann was more shocking.

3rd best player in the world they said to an almost nobody.
 

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Champ said:
Just wanted to bump this, purely so people can see the fallacy of knee jerking.

On his way to Besiktas on loan, some downfall that.
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He always had the talent, it wasn't knee jerking. It was the attitude that let him down nothing else.
 

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11101 said:
He always had the talent, it wasn't knee jerking. It was the attitude that let him down nothing else.
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He didn't have the talent though, he was one of many mindless runners that fans in England love so much.
 

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11101 said:
He always had the talent, it wasn't knee jerking. It was the attitude that let him down nothing else.
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His development under Poch didn't help either. Should never have been played as a battering ram, goalscoring deep forward. It's the classic mistake made with all British no.8s who can score goals. Gerrard was the same, pandered to by successive coaches and became a very good forward rather than a world class box to box CM. Houllier had the right idea with Gerrard but Benitez let it go to pot. Alli has never had a coach with the right idea I don't think. Maybe for MK Dons I don't know.
 
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