This is complete nonsense. I'm beginning to think you didn't even bother reading the thing.
Sounds like your personal experience has blighted your ability to empathise.
I am speaking in general on that particular post. Jesse isn't the only guy whose not doing his job properly
Your comments suggest otherwise, and yes, football should be 2nd priority to family and health issues. By your logic, Jesse has downed tools, through having some traumatic events currently happening to him, which he has now sought help from the club for, should be either let go because winning is all that matters or told to man up. Quite a grim view in terms of empathy and views on a man.
Totally irrelevant to the conversation or thread. Good luck
I sympathise with the guy but I also understand being part of an organisation from a strategic pov means. The higher up you go, the higher the salary, the higher the demands and there is little room of manouver. You can't pay someone 150k a week and then not expect him to produce the goods. Else you risk having the highest salary bill in football with nothing to show for it
It would be weird to see my parents as babies
So much content......... clearly empathy isn't your strongest element. Sometimes an actual human life and their emotinal wellbeing is more important than the standards set by a job, especially more so when you take into consideration technology is taking over most 'jobs'.
You asked for me to go back to the 50s and I answered to you. Also you do notice that we are a top football club with actual standards and aims that needs to be reached? What use sentimentality has had in the past 8 years or so? (players kept cause they understand the club, etc)
Him getting a big salary is separate to his family issues. Sure it’s far harder to deal with those issues if you’re on £25000 but it’s scant consolation if someone you love is ill and is facing death. You’re still worried . Plus he’s taken on the role of carer, that’s not easy
This is not about sentimentality. It’s about looking after people you care about. His performances and ability are seperate to the club caring and being supportive
You know, everyone is different. Some people had a great, carefree childhood, and when issues arise in their adult years it becomes a challenge to handle them. Some have a more difficult childhood, and are more prepared for the difficulties in life. Everyone matures at a different age, some people become CEO's at the age of 22 and some people finally get into medical school at the age of 44. You shouldn't compare your life with others.
Yep.
Whilst discarding everything I said that was about the subject we are discussing. Also thats not the subject point though. I would easily agree with you about standards at the club and players getting too many chances. But there is a time and circumstance for that discussion and that is not now. If he needs compassionate leave, his workload eased for a time or family members in need of help, the club should help out as much as possible because, if you didn't know, which it comes across that you don't, companies and employers have an obligation to their physical and emotional well being.
The timing makes sense to me, if he'd come out with it when he was performing bad he'd have got even worse stick than some of the fools in here are giving him. Do it now when things are a bit more rosy seems logical I think.
CIPD is quite clear on the subject. Every decision taken must be aligned to the business aim which, in United terms, is winning trophies. Being emphatic is normal and human however the business aims must remain top priority. Its one thing showing empathy with someone whose a small cog into the system. In that case the club could easily afford bringing in an agency worker to share the responsibility at minimum loss. However it can't and it shouldn't expected to be done with someone whose on 150k a week,a person who hasn't been producing the goods for months and whose actually not really that good to merit such patience in the first place.
this is really interesting, and somewhat sad.
Why come out with it at all would be more my question.
I discarded everything you said simply because its a repetition of what others said and I had replied to. Regarding Jesse
Because he's probably been the victim of disgusting abuse and wants to put his side out there?
It's quite obvious you shoudn't be seen to be pissing about constantly.
Footballers have pressure, of course, but to make out like their job is more difficult than a lot of people's is ridiculous. It's a fecking easy job if you're lucky enough to have the talent and make it. Footballers have come out and said so before. So what if you have to suck it up and move to a slightly smaller club if you're not good enough?
I think the hatred of how poor Lingard is as a footballer outweighs some people caring about his personal problems.
It's probably worth remembering that in our most successful season ever, Sir Alex took a game off to deal with a personal issue. We lost that game.
we are not talking about a game here though isn't it? It's probably worth remembering that Sir Alex made a clear up of Atkinson's team because its rumoured to have had an Alcohol problem.
I'm not talking about wherever his job is more difficult compared to a normal one, because that's a bit pointless. My point is that a personal issue will have a more visible effect on your performances in a highly competitive environment that is professional football compared to a normal job.
Ah ok, apologies. Fair comment.
Deary me!
Then you should have said "There was a time when winning (except from a game or two here and there) was all that matters. ", because it's clear that even during our most successful era, players and staff, from top to bottom were allowed the space to deal with personal problems.
