Not signing a midfielder in this window seems like a good rock bottom checkpoint.
Has this season hit rock bottom for you yet? If no, what, in particular, will be the final nails in the coffin?
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You need to get in the real football world pal
1. No signings this window.
2. Out of all competitions.
3. More Injuries to key players.
2. Out of all competitions.
3. More Injuries to key players.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. But judging by what you wrote before, you're still stuck on a time where MUFC wasn't close to stature than it is today.
Just because we were shit on the 70s it doesn't mean we have to put up with the shit that is served now.
We became the richest and most glorious club in the world under SAF and that is the legacy and the standard the board has to be judged by.
We still have the money and structure to rise to the top, but as long as some fans are acting as the Glazer's watchdogs by calling others "entitled", we're fecked.
What can the fans do? If we stop going to the games, someone else will. I don't buy any Utd products other than my season ticket. If I dont buy it, someone else will jump in.
I left OT the other night after City's 2nd goal & wasn't alone in leaving. 34mins - the worst yet. A lot of the fans are gutted, but we're powerless and divided. More than half the stadium filled with 'top reds' that think supporting the nose dive into mid-table oblivion is being a better supporter than wanting actual positive change. Being toyed with at home by City, watching Kyle Walker dictate play on the edge of the box over and over again like he's Messi, watching Lingard be paid £120K a week for being a professional jogger and no seeing a 34 year old has been be offered an extra year to stop him going on a free to Italy?! It's a mess mate. Fully agree, the club is doomed. I almost want us to completely bottom out so the vulture-Glazers sell up and take Banker Woodward with them - then maybe we can rebuild as a football club and veer away from the cash cow we've become.
Still nowhere near rock bottom.
As for being stuck in a 70s time warp...get fecking real pal.
Come back when you've done over 500 games, euros, home and away. Went to nou camp, rotterdam and Moscow...then tell me I'm stuck!
I've reached a similar conclusion.
The problems at this club are at every level, every department, a few new signings, or a change of manager, isn't going to turn this debacle around.
Sadly, I really can't see how this club goes forward unless there is a buyout and the new owners just wipe away every trace of the current regime.
Some ad hominem is always a good way to demonstrate your point is weak.Still nowhere near rock bottom.
As for being stuck in a 70s time warp...get fecking real pal.
Come back when you've done over 500 games, euros, home and away. Went to nou camp, rotterdam and Moscow...then tell me I'm stuck!
You should follow your own advice and get real, because this club is in the rock bottom as far as one of the richest and biggest there ever was, not by some 50 year old standard.
There is an element of entitlement to it though. Lets face it. Majority of United fans in a particular generation around the world had an attraction to the club because we were winning trophies. Its not an insult to say that, its human nature, but the fact is for the vast majority of this forum United are not the 'local' club.
English football has been changed considerably by wealthy outside investors in the last 20 years. It shouldn't be a given that we will always be the dominant team in our league, but it should be a given that we always strive to be that. The investment has been made in the market to keep us competitive but that investment has been spent very poorly so currently we are not. Look at the two dominant teams in the league currently and ask yourself how much money they have wasted in the last 5 years - its not a large number. They recruited well and we recruited very, very poorly, so in my opinion it is unreasonable for our fanbase to expect us to be anywhere other than exactly where we are right now. We are recovering from that period of poor recruitment and we have no choice but to accept that it is probably going to be a 3 year process before we can get back to that level. Expecting that to be any quicker or easier just because we are called Manchester United is a form of entitlement.
Because people aren't daft enough to view results in isolation. A loss under Moyes/Ole feels bad becuase its within the context of being managed by mediocrity. A loss under SAF also felt bad but more because we were being manAged incredibly and expected to win.
Yes. It will indeed take time. But it's impossible until we hire the right manager. Currently we've got the wrong one so aren't even really on the path. It's one thing to accept that things have to progress at a certain pace. It's another thing to accept mediocrity and expect time alone to change it.
It was embarrassing to watch that first half,there’s no question about that.Obviously our midfields been severely weakened over the last few weeks,and I don’t think City would have been able to boss us around like that had Pogba and Mctominay been on the pitch,but either way,not signing a midfielder last summer was a shockingly reckless decision.
Having lost Fellaini and Herrera over 6 months,to go into a season with Pogba,Mctominay,Fred and Matic is just frankly embarrassing.As far as “reaching rock bottom” is concerned,I have accepted the fact that this season is going to be filled with extreme inconsistency.If we don’t show signs of greater consistency before May,then we definitely need a new manager...
No its not impossible, far from it.
What? It's possible to win big honours again under the wrong manager? Far from it ?
You get it!
We're not magically returning to the top overnight, but what most of the fans want is to see the club to strive for better.
We have the money, prestige and resources. We are only lacking the seriousness. It's not entitlement to want your club to be run seriously.
Its your conclusion that we have the wrong manager - not everybodys feel the same way. Lets see how we are doing we add the 3-4 players that this squad (and manager) desperately needs.What? It's possible to win big honours again under the wrong manager? Far from it ?
Rock Bottom is offering Ashley Young a One year extension.
- Little to no action in the current window
- out of all cup competitions after having seen our league form totally fall away
- more injuries across the squad due to being overplayed
- any remnants of form from last season draining from our summer signings (think we're already seeing this)
- losing more players from the squad than we bring in next summer
I'm expecting all the above to happen.
- out of all cup competitions after having seen our league form totally fall away
- more injuries across the squad due to being overplayed
- any remnants of form from last season draining from our summer signings (think we're already seeing this)
- losing more players from the squad than we bring in next summer
I'm expecting all the above to happen.
It was aimed at fair weather fans like you to be fair, not the point at hand.
We’re not at rick bottom and if you think it is then I suggest you support a club nearer to where you live, see what rock bottom feels like
Rock bottom would be going out of europa I'd say.
You've never judged your seasons on whether you win league cups or even FA cup nowadays (ask LVG) but you do on whether you make the top 4 or not and I'd say europa is more realistic than top 4 like in 16/17 season.
Lose that and that will be OGS Olympiakos moment I think when the board really lost confidence in David Moyes.
You've never judged your seasons on whether you win league cups or even FA cup nowadays (ask LVG) but you do on whether you make the top 4 or not and I'd say europa is more realistic than top 4 like in 16/17 season.
Lose that and that will be OGS Olympiakos moment I think when the board really lost confidence in David Moyes.
When a young gets offered an extension
This is the worst we've been since Fergie retired, we might be higher up in the table than we were in the Moyes season, but that's only because our rivals were stronger that season. We are statically worse under Ole than we were under Moyes, by quite a lot actually.
I'd say rock bottom was when we gave Phil Jones a new 5 year deal with pay rise. Incompetent.
I'd say rock bottom was when we gave Phil Jones a new 5 year deal with pay rise. Incompetent.
I think a lot more needs to go wrong for there to be any chance of Ole getting sacked if that's what 'rock bottom' is relating to. Eg.
- Go out of the FA Cup to Wolves
- Go out of the League Cup to City
- Fail to win many of the Premier League Fixtures by end of Feb (Norwich, Liverpool, Burnley, Wolves, Chelsea, Watford)
- Go out of the Europa League to Club Brugge
No signings and more players leaving would be tough on the fans and Ole, but would give the board less fuel as they didn't do anything to try and improve our chances.
If we're below 7th and out of all the cups by March without any quality new signings, I don't see how we can do anything with the rest of the season.
- Go out of the FA Cup to Wolves
- Go out of the League Cup to City
- Fail to win many of the Premier League Fixtures by end of Feb (Norwich, Liverpool, Burnley, Wolves, Chelsea, Watford)
- Go out of the Europa League to Club Brugge
No signings and more players leaving would be tough on the fans and Ole, but would give the board less fuel as they didn't do anything to try and improve our chances.
If we're below 7th and out of all the cups by March without any quality new signings, I don't see how we can do anything with the rest of the season.
Things can always get worse, there is no point in asking such a question, really. We lost to strong Manchester City, it's not like you don't expect it to happen from time to time, even in the best of days top teams can beat you.
Let's keep some perspective, we can still win the EL and get to CL next season, we will go through a massive ovrhaul at the end of the season, that much is clear. A lot of players will get sold, but we will also need heavy investment, we need 3 midfielders and a striker/winger type of a player to get going. We might not be able to get all 3 CM's we need but at the very least get 2 in the summer, use Matić or someone as cover.
Let's keep some perspective, we can still win the EL and get to CL next season, we will go through a massive ovrhaul at the end of the season, that much is clear. A lot of players will get sold, but we will also need heavy investment, we need 3 midfielders and a striker/winger type of a player to get going. We might not be able to get all 3 CM's we need but at the very least get 2 in the summer, use Matić or someone as cover.
So very true, let's start with the most important part, a better manager.
He's right though. When you make assumptions about a posters support based on how many games you've attended makes you look like a top red.
He is absolutely right in we raised the bar and falling anywhere below that is seen as failure and regression. It doesn't matter if weren't that good in the 70s and 80s, we were for best part of 3 decades and the acceptance of falling back to that standard is detrimental to the club long term.
In my experience of attending games the majority of match going fans are knuckle dragging mouth breathers who simply think they're better because they go to games. When I hear them talk about actual football their knowledge is minimal and generally harks back to a bygone era (the old get it wide and whip in crosses is a regular call I hear in the Stretty). There is very little recognition or understanding of modern football and tactics.
This generational gap of posters who think they are superior because they watched United in the 70s is embarrassing and there are a few of you on here atm.
We’ve already gone out to City
Maybe there will be a miracle.
Not rock Bottom just yet. Give it to about 18.15 on Sunday 19th January though. 
Not superior in the slightest. Just addressing the point that I was ‘stuck’in The 70s. If that rankles with you then so be it.
Bit hypocritical to criticise me for being a former match going fan then state that the ones who are ‘ knuckle draggers’ who don’t know anything about football. Then you’re the one coming across as superior
Wow that is some generalisation
Christmas has goneMaybe there will be a miracle.
Liverpool game will send everyone bonkers in a couple of weeks. Say they beat us 4-0 or something it will be carnage. Some nutter might even have a hit at Woodward.
You didn't just say you grew up watching United in the 70s though, you implied your knowledge was superior because you'd been to "over 500 games home and away in Europe ". That had no relevance to what the poster had contested and was simply used by you try and imply your support was better than others.
True.Christmas has gone
It's that bleak in between time of year.A player of Young’s quality rejecting a contract extension.
With Ed at the helm? One can dream!
He'll be retired by then.