https://www.premierleague.com/news/1263332
It hasn't changed. It should be counted as handball. West Brom just lost 3 points there.
The handball rule
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Not sure that would be "accidental" from Martial but I'd like to see the attempt!
I'd like to see the VAR team prove it weren't. It's no way of knowing whats deliberate or not, unless they can read minds.Not sure that would be "accidental" from Martial but I'd like to see the attempt!
That's from 2019/20.
This is the new rule, effective from 2020/21.
IFAB have amended the handball law to ensure an accidental handball will only be punished if it occurs “immediately” before a goal is scored.
“It is not an offence if, after an accidental handball, the ball travels some distance (pass or dribble) and/or there are several passes before the goal or goal-scoring opportunity,” read a statement from IFAB.
https://www.bt.com/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-rule-changes-2020-2021-season#:~:text=The handball rule was clarified,a foul will be awarded.
It doesn't make sense if the Ref has any authority to make a decision based on sight and vision himself. Either VAR has to enforce that rule for all handballs and let the ref be ineffectual on those decisions, or they have to go back to the old rule.
How is it going to ensure consistency if refs blow their whistle for handball in the middle of an attack, when in fact nobody would have scored for 5-6 passes, he should just have waved the play on since it's now deemed completely inconsequential. Yet refs still blow their whistle for handballs all over the pitch, and even VAR themselves award penalties for handballs even if the ref has missed it and a several passes are made before VAR decide to intervene.
Hodgson's not happy about it either:
Perhaps he should've said something last week when he did profit from it.
Seems it would have been better for wba players to just leave him carry on and shoot freely once he’d hand balled it instead of trying to clear it or save the shot.Yeah it has to be during the last action of the goal or something so because in Havertz's case the ball went back out and came back in before the goal was scored its ignored.
Football makes no sense these days, in a selfish way I’m glad I had such a great run of watching football over the past 20/30 years. Unfortunately it’s a shit show for youngsters to grow up watching now
Hodgson can go feck himself.
Didn’t hear a dicky bird from him last week with that farcical decision against Lindelof.
What goes around comes around Woy.
He did.
What did he say? I've heard him say today that he criticised the decision last week, but I haven't seen the actual criticism in any of the post match quotes. This is what he said to Sky Sports last week, which was very diplomatic:
It's amazing the people in charge or in favour of VAR can't see it, isn't it? After every single game the major talking point is a VAR controversy. It was supposed to limit questionable decisions but have instead given us way more, while removing the spontaneity and joy of watching the game. It's such a travesty. Every weekend I'm on the brink of just giving up football and every weekend I'm sucked back in again and it's the same nonsense.
His post match press conference is on YouTube, think it’s the second question.
This pandemic is papering over the crack’s that’s for sure. Empty stadia mean we’re not getting audible proof of how much less spontaneous joy we feel when our team score; knowing how often goals aren’t confirmed until after a lengthy review.
And that’s watching on telly, when at least we have some replays to pass the time! I wonder how long it will take for everyone to realise much VAR is taking away from the match-going attendance?
Shearer summed it up well at the end of Match of the day there.
The new law is "absolutely f*ckin ridiculous"
The new law is "absolutely f*ckin ridiculous"
The way they treat handballs now, combined with VAR is like a perfect storm of awful.
That's from last year, first of all. Second, it was considered a new phase of play because Robson-Kanu cleared the ball, albeit poorly. Thus, the handball such as it was cannot be considered to have lead directly to the goal, because West Brom had possession and gave it back to Chelsea.
Obviously this is all ridiculous and VAR is a blight on the game, but in this case the decision was consistent with the latest laws for this season.
I see Hodgson and Crystal Palace crying about it today, didnt' care last week did ya!
It is not VAR but the interpretation of the laws that is the issue. VAR should show it as he touched it with his hand. It is the laws that decide if it is a goal or not or a penalty or not.
I really don't get why the rules have to be amended season after season anyway. It's ridiculous really, handball used to be pretty straightforward and in the instances it wasn't, refs were trusted to make a judgement call. While this wasn't always to everyones joy, it worked most of the time.
All this overregulating of everything really doesn't help the sport imo. It's counterintuitive for everyone who watches and really doesn't make anything fairer at all.
It reminds me of Formula 1, where they tinker with stuff every year in order to make it more "entertaining" and "fair", while actually achieving the exact opposite.
If it really is done to accomodate VAR, it only shows how idiotic that system is in the first place.
All this overregulating of everything really doesn't help the sport imo. It's counterintuitive for everyone who watches and really doesn't make anything fairer at all.
It reminds me of Formula 1, where they tinker with stuff every year in order to make it more "entertaining" and "fair", while actually achieving the exact opposite.
If it really is done to accomodate VAR, it only shows how idiotic that system is in the first place.
But the rules are being changed to suit VAR. That makes VAR the problem.
Amazing how many people can’t see this
It's an absolute shambles at the moment. The biggest issue with all of this is that in a sport with very limited scoring, more and more goals are happening through completely random elements of luck or poor decisions.
The argument against VAR was that you could only use it for matters of fact, not opinion and it was completely correct. But rather than limit its use, they've decided to change the rules of the sport in an attempt to be able to use it more.
The argument against VAR was that you could only use it for matters of fact, not opinion and it was completely correct. But rather than limit its use, they've decided to change the rules of the sport in an attempt to be able to use it more.
Havertz's handball -> Clearance -> Mount shot -> Abraham shot. Ball was still in the penalty area, no passes occur, no dribble occur, there is only 4 seconds in between handball and the goal. I don't know how you called that as ''ball travels some distance''. What do you say about that?
I remember the game when we scored a goal when the ball was out off the pitch. Mainly because there several passes before the goal and it was actually more than 10 passes and the incident happened more than 10 seconds before the goal. That's what I call ''ball travels some distance''.
Unfortunately they think it’s enjoyable and call anyone over 30 ‘past it’ when they hear complaints of VAR.
The arrival of VAR is seeing rules changes to suit VAR.
Football is unquestionably worse. To debate that is ridiculous.
I believe these morons haven't played at any level. They just officiate in their bubble. Players and coaches have to be consulted before any of these absurd rules are implemented.
Pretty much any contact with the hand is now a foul, which is utterly stupid when combined with VAR.
Look at the Everton vs Palace game, Everton get a pen after Digne heads a ball into Wards arm from very short range and he has his arm in a completely natural position. Same with Lindelof vs Palace
Its utterly mental. If this keeps up we are going to have defenders running around like penguins in their own box
Look at the Everton vs Palace game, Everton get a pen after Digne heads a ball into Wards arm from very short range and he has his arm in a completely natural position. Same with Lindelof vs Palace
Its utterly mental. If this keeps up we are going to have defenders running around like penguins in their own box
It’s totally ruined defending. If it continues, we’ll start seeing American football scores... sire it’s good to see lots of goals, but these penalty’s are fast becoming a bit of a joke, especially when it’s so inconsistent.
What kid is going to want to become a defender with this level of rule against natural body movements and the inability to be Neo from the Matrix and move your arm out the way from a shot 1 yard from you?
Give it a few years and clubs will be scouting double jointed players who can tuck their arms down the back of their shirts or kids born with no arms for the future.
What kid is going to want to become a defender with this level of rule against natural body movements and the inability to be Neo from the Matrix and move your arm out the way from a shot 1 yard from you?
Give it a few years and clubs will be scouting double jointed players who can tuck their arms down the back of their shirts or kids born with no arms for the future.
VAR for offsides makes sense and also penalty incidents. The handball rule never needed changing, it's fecking mad how they're separating situations for defenders and attackers.
I didn't say the "ball travels some distance" in yesterday's incident, I was qouting the new handball rule for someone who didn't know it.
The refs obviously thought there was enough time or touches for the goal to stand. I fully expected it to get disallowed.
That's what the new handball rule says.
The new rule is fecking bonkers. The ball never even made it out of the box.
I know that, I posted it on this page for someone who didn't know there was a new rule.
I didn't make up the rule. Not sure what you want me to say.
Without VAR we wouldn't have scored many vital goals last season so it's not all bad.
Okay both of us are in agreement that the goal is supposed to be disallowed based on the new rule.
As I said earlier in the thread, I fully expecteded it to be disallowed so yes.
The refs obviously interpret it differently.
I don't think they do interpret them differently. It's just that they are only for goal scoring incidents or penalties. Obviously, a defender handling in the box is a penalty incident every time.
The attacker one is to create a cutoff of how far back they go. You don't want a goal disallowed for a handball 30 seconds earlier. That's why they only want to check the direct goal scoring incident. If the opposition had a chance to clear it between the handball and the goal then that's fair enough.
I also think the refs have lost the plot on the penalties they award. The Lindelof and Doherty ones were poor decisions but the one against Palace was an absolute disgrace. That's not a penalty under any rules. The Premier League need to come out and call that as an incorrect decision before this gets out of control.
It's just too complicated tbh
No arguments there!