Would have hoped there were some limits to the selfishness of developed countries.
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Had another rough night (albeit not as bad as the first one) with Moderna but woke up ok. Almost no pain anywhere anymore and no feber. Other than a spot of tiredness, I'm doing ok. It's been definitely worth it and feels like a small price to pay.
I am quite surprised. I am taking two days off from work for the Moderna second jab because I heard about how much worse the second is as compared to the first one.
Going to try my luck at getting my 2nd dose today at the local vaccine centre. I have an appointment for tomorrow but the council just announced that tomorrow for one day only it will be a walk-in for anyone who wants the vaccine. This place couldn't cope the last time I went on a Saturday when it was appointment only so given the extra footfall I'd love to avoid having to get it there tomorrow.
Got my 2nd Pfizer today - exactly 8 weeks to the day after my first dose.
I got wiped out by fatigue last evening after getting the first dose of Moderna the day before. Could barely stand long enough to make myself a salad for dinner before sleeping for 10 hours. I don't think even my COVID infection was that taxing. Much better today though.
1 dose of Pfizer produces more antibody than 2 doses of CoronaVac.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00177-4/fulltext
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The vaccines sounds like an indie band yovue never heard of.
Getting my 2nd moderna on Monday.
Everyone wears their t-shirts yet they've never listened to any of their songs
Never heard of them
I dunno about indie, Covid and the Vaccines has quite an old school ring to it.
Heading into the Aviva for my first bash of Pfizer now. Absolutely scorching outside and I presume I'll spend the next 2 hours queueing.
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Seen it's kicking off following the SCMP article about that, with the usual America v China undertones.
My second one was supposed to be 31st July but I've managed to move it to tomorrow as they had a cancellation.
They were decent for a while. Wetsuit and Norgaard I remember quite well.
It's a difficult one for me. I suppose it doesn't surprise me but I do blame them. Putting national interests front and centre is a normal thing, and in some ways a healthy thing, but it comes with a lot of nasty consequences. It seems likely that immunosuppressed people will benefit from the booster, but given the evidence is pretty slim so far, it's potentially very wasteful.
Personally I couldn't stand by a decision to offer booster shots in the UK (or anywhere else) when the situation globally is so precarious. I just can't relate to that sense of prioritisation.
Can't really blame them, I felt the same way about below 50s being vaccinated in rich countries before frontline healthcare workers in the poor ones. Where do you draw this arbitrary line? It's pretty obvious it's a case of the rich countries first in however they see fit and feck the rest.
Some more real world evidence from Italy on the vaccines' ability to stop the virus.
Over the last 2 weeks 772 unvaccinated have been admitted to hospital against 80 fully vaccinated and 89 partially vaccinated. 80 unvaccinated are in intensive care vs. 4 and 10. 169 dead vs 17 and 29. Also worth noting the vaccinated deaths were in extreme age groups of 80+. For the unvaccinated the worst impact is on the 40-80 age groups.
In Italian only, page 31:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-luglio-2021.pdf
Over the last 2 weeks 772 unvaccinated have been admitted to hospital against 80 fully vaccinated and 89 partially vaccinated. 80 unvaccinated are in intensive care vs. 4 and 10. 169 dead vs 17 and 29. Also worth noting the vaccinated deaths were in extreme age groups of 80+. For the unvaccinated the worst impact is on the 40-80 age groups.
In Italian only, page 31:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-luglio-2021.pdf
Yeah, I’m very sympathetic to that view-point. I’m just not sure it’s as simple as wealthy country A deciding to order fewer vaccines translating to country B injecting more of its citizens. There are probably much more efficient ways for the likes of Israel to support third world vaccine roll-out if that’s the way they choose to spend their money.
Agree with you both, there’s no easy answer to where you draw that arbitrary line nor how best to distribute the vaccines in a global framework while operating as nation states. All I know is that it doesn’t make any sense to me that I got vaccinated months, maybe years, before healthcare workers, vulnerable populations etc. in other countries. And I definitely wouldn’t want to double down on that with boosters.
Going for my second shot on Saturday evening. Not sure what it's gonna be. I've heard they are giving Moderna for second doses. I had Pfizer for the first one back in June.
Maybe AZ has advantages...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-00969-3
No, I don't understand all the info in the article, but if Chise says it's a good thing, I believe them.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-00969-3
No, I don't understand all the info in the article, but if Chise says it's a good thing, I believe them.
The vaccine centre wasn't open when I went yesterday so I had it this morning. Pleased to report that the experience was far more positive than last time as the place wasn't busy enough for there to be the same problems. I decided beforehand I'd wait outside for the 15mins after but for some reason (I just wasn't thinking straight because I was so happy at how everything was going) I ended up sitting in the hall for 2mins before remembering what I planned to do and spent the remaining 13 outside.
One little thing - I just wish some people wouldn't stand so close in the queue to the place. It's the same with every queue I've ever been in. Shuffling as close as you can to the person in front of you is not going to make it go faster, dickhead.
Really? I’ve never noticed Chise do anything other than desperately look on the bright side of everything. So if Chise says it’s a good thing then that’s usually just Chise being Chise.
It’s an interesting paper but the vector vaccine is given IV in the study, which is obviously significantly different to the IM admin of the covid vaccine when it comes to concentration in the lungs (which seems to be the location for the immune response they’re getting excited about) I also can’t work out if the response is to the antigen being presented of the adenovirus vector itself. Seems like it might be the latter?
Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories
I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories
I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
Fair enough. That’s a good strategy for mental health. I need to do more of that myself.Finally getting my vaccine on the 21st. Can't wait to get this over with. There giving me Pfizer-Biontech
Just got my second jab today, both pfizer. Again, no immediate effects, but fully expecting an aching arm tonight, so brought some food home. The nurse I chatted with seemed to believe that a third booster shot will be inevitable in the future, because of the variants.
6 hours later, arm hurts, some muscle and joint aches, possibly a slight fever. I'm also really tired but it's 1am and I had a double glass of rum and a fair bit of THC.
24 hours on. Arm hurts a bit. Legs aching too. Basically just don't want to get off the sofa. It's far better than what I was expecting having read some of the experiences from other posters here.
Just got the 2nd Pfizer. Nobody I know had any side effects at all so hoping I'm not the first.
feck you Moderna, I still feel like crap..
Only just got over my second Pfizer shot today over a full week later. Had a temperature and general fatigue for a good 7 days along with on and off headaches and muscle pains. It was bad enough that I went to a drive through test centre in case I’d unluckily caught the real thing. Can’t go back to work until my PCR is negative though!
I had my second Pfizer yesterday morning. It was 9am, but the heat really made it uncomfortable. Got through it feeling only slightly panicked, with my needle phobia, but didn't black out, as I feared given the conditions. Definitely not as positive an experience as my first one. After 12 months of it looming on the horizon and worrying about how I'd react, I was ecstatic after the first going so well.
Anyway, it's a day and a half on now. I think I feel fine. Woke up with ringing in the ears, but my arm didn't hurt half as much as the first time. Ringing didn't last long, and I feel more grumpy than usual, but that may just be the heat. Feel pretty lucky.
Anyway, it's a day and a half on now. I think I feel fine. Woke up with ringing in the ears, but my arm didn't hurt half as much as the first time. Ringing didn't last long, and I feel more grumpy than usual, but that may just be the heat. Feel pretty lucky.
To be honest, all of us who are living in highly vaccinated countries should be feeling lucky.
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Definitely.