Agreed. I really hope we steer away from him. He's just not a good fit at all. We need a change but Conte could really could make things worse in the long run. No idea what else we should do though.
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Conte has such a weird reputation on this forum, he's not that defensive (his stats at Chelsea were remarkably similar to Ole's aside from they had a vastly superior defence) and doesn't only use a 532, he also doesn't really have an issue with youth players. He is a taskmaster and expects players to either do the job he tells them on the pitch or to be dropped (hardly that mental). He's not going to play all out attack but he will put a system and platform in place that the players know inside out.
I'd say the only real criticism I have of him is that he has been typically poor in the CL but, to be honest, that's really not our issue right now. League is priority, CL is a bonus. From the look of our squad and the way body language was on Sunday, we could use someone like Conte to come in and sort out some of attitude problems that look to be present.
They like him on a personal level? Fml, so what.
You know how we operate. We are always slow to react. No point in getting yourself worked up over it. I've accepted that we'll be dragged thought a 3-4 month period of will they/won't they? And that well probably feck up the next hiring too. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised by us getting some of those things right for a change.
So, could it be Giggsy again as caretaker?
With an ankle tag.
With an ankle tag.
You are equally precious and disingenuous, either that or ignorant but I'm honestly not sure which. There was loud cheering and applause directed right at the players towards the end of the match and at fulltime. It was not traditional songs and they certainly didn't deserve such commendation. You made a fool of yourself labelling someone a Chelsea fan for putting this out and you're clearly either too stubborn, self-righteous or plain stupid to admit this.
You said this: " Hopefully we might see renewed protests in the grounds but what's more likely is the same deluded cretins who applauded Ole off the pitch on Sunday will be used to justify keeping the status quo."
First, protesting inside the stadium against the manager is the sort of shite Chelsea fans do. feck that. Everyone knows we are coming to the end of Ole's time at the club but it would be disgusting to fecking protest against him inside the ground. United don't do that.
Second, "deluded credits who applauded Ole off the pitch". First, labelling people supporting the team "deluded credits" is fecking disgraceful. Second, as I said, they weren't applauded off, the fans were singing "we'll be running round Old Trafford with 20, singing we knocked the scousers of their perch" which had nothing to do with Ole or the team or even the match.
I have no problem with the board keeping him if it's on a 'last chance' basis. In that, we either find league winning form for the rest of the season, or he's gone. It also allows us to not rush into Conte, if we're not sold on him. The next appointment is crucial.
He should've gone for me already, but if it's just to give us more time to get the appointment right. I'd rather Ole take charge vs Spurs than Carrick.
He should've gone for me already, but if it's just to give us more time to get the appointment right. I'd rather Ole take charge vs Spurs than Carrick.
I think Conte is very similar to Ole to be honest, both are best at setting a team up defensively and to hit on the counter. Ole's real problems begin when he is trying to play attacking football and defence, midfield and attack become disjointed because he isn't able to figure it out and it ends up a complete mess. Obviously Conte is light years a better coach than Ole but then arguably so is anyone who can face the right way.
He's not Mourinho, but I also don't think he's that far removed from Mourinho either. Either way, he represents yet another turn in direction for the club, and that's largely been our problem since Fergie retired.
I'm not remotely surprised we're keeping him.
It's fecking shit though, I'm not sure there's even any point in me watching the Spurs game now. I probably still will, but it'll be depressing viewing knowing that it's shite either way. Lose, and we're even further out of the title (and maybe even top four) race. Win, and we'll probably give him even more time to go to City and get thumped and heap further embarrassment on the club.
It's fecking shit though, I'm not sure there's even any point in me watching the Spurs game now. I probably still will, but it'll be depressing viewing knowing that it's shite either way. Lose, and we're even further out of the title (and maybe even top four) race. Win, and we'll probably give him even more time to go to City and get thumped and heap further embarrassment on the club.
Interesting that the % voted yes has dropped from 90% to 88.5% since the Liverpool game.
Read the post above this one & you'll see exactly what I called him a Chelsea fan for as you've completely invented something else. I've even given you the words to the song.
It will go very wrong but the club's hands are tied. They obviously did not plan adequately.
A reasonable club would have started planning for the possible scenario after the Young Boys result.
There’s no way he’s going to step down. Say one of ETH/Potter/Conte/Insert Flavour of the Month here/Zidane get the United gig, at least they know if it all goes tits up, there will be other clubs willing to take them on again based on what they’ve done in the game. Ole doesn’t have that luxury. No club would want Ole. This is his last big pay day and he will cling on to it for dear life.
He’s got to go. Today.
He’s got to go. Today.
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One last FU from Ed on his way out
You're pre-supposing that same spirit and attitude is still in them after the biggest humiliation some of them have ever experienced in their entire professional careers. That I can say that solemnly should tell you how bad things are right now and what you're suggesting could compound that further and lead to a point break where the season is a complete write off, and a new manager is having to pick up the pieces back to even a neutral marker from a severe negative, just to get things underway.
It's a calamity, and keeping the man responsible for it in charge for further potential humiliation(s) makes no sense on any level given if the worst comes to the worst, it's not even a case of told you so's over gross, gross negligence and incompetence.
New men in charge for an interim brings a modicum of new hope and belief, and at the very least, acts as a reset and clean slate from the doldrums of yet another repeat of a well-worn script that has reaped hardly and dividends for the season up to now.
To your bolded - Ole is the man in charge who ultimately makes the decisions that everyone else has to abide by; you're assuming those men you mention follow the same ideas and notions when in fact they may have their own vision and idea of what they want to do with the team, tactics, formations, personnel, in-game actions and so on and so forth. We also have no idea if they are as rigid and inflexible as Ole and persistent in trying the same things, repeatedly, in the face of them failing conclusively.
Normally, there is merit to the other side of such a discussion, and if desired, I could argue it from your POV or from the POV of it being beneficial for nothing to change, but I am certain any point in favour of Ole staying on I could absolute tear to shreds such is the disparity in what he is giving as opposed to what is needed. We're under-performing by such margins it is indefensible by now. We are not good at anything, anything at all, to even clutch onto and have as a hill to die on for, or in favour of, Ole.
Like I said previously, really examining what's gone on is dragging him over hot coals for no good reason by now. I'd like to point to there being benefit to him staying, even in the interim, but there aren't any - the players have lost faith in him, and our football has not a single redeeming factor to it. Not one. Do you know how rare that is? The worst kind of bingo full house you can get in football.
Joel could play a blinder here by clearing house, and bringing in the Ajax Football directorate.
The club are right not to go for Conte. Desperation is the worst thing we can do right now. The problem is all the managers who would fit are probably engaged and we haven't sounded them out.
This mess started weeks ago not just post the Liverpool game.
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Hmmmm... so those were Chelsea fans protesting at Old Trafford against the Glazers last season in the home fixture against Liverpool?
I didn't call anyone a "credit" for the record, I called them "cretins". I can't think of a better word than "deluded" to describe the section of our fanbase who want Ole in and continue to support him - they are part of the problem.
He actually said I"ve come too far then corrected it to we've come too far iirc.
I don't want to get into the does Ole love united or care about the club debate. To me its pretty obvious he cares about the club but cares about himself, his family, his job and financial security more which most reasonable human beings should prioritize things that way.
If reports are to be believe, it seems like they already decided to sack him, but want to take more time assessing the options, which is baffling that until now, the board haven’t discussed a successor to Ole, given that the writing has been on the wall for a long time now.. I also feel bad for Ole, at the end of the day, this is his level, and it’s all on the board, now he’s a sitting duck just waiting for the sack, and has to be super embarrassing for him with all the leaks and stories about him.. what a shit show.
And the incoming guy of the same mind too.
So we’re now hoping for Joel Glazer to see sense and save the club from the lunacy of the two bean counters…
Pochettino favoured by some. Now thats silly.
Supposedly Fergie wants him to have another chance too. Also a middle-finger?
That said, I feel like this time Ole’s goose is cooked. I seriously doubt he’ll get through the next month. Fergie was prone to holding on to certain players too long, might be something akin to that.
If beating Spurs counts as turning this around then the club is well and truly fecked.
But your're right though - at least I think so anyway. We've all seen how positively our squad react to a new manager bounce, 11 straight wins for Ole if I recall, so it makes sense to do it again.
Appoint an interim in the form of Roy Keane, with Micah Richards as his assitant purely for the luls, then set about searching for a permanent replacement.
It will come down to how much the players want him out. If they have turned on him Saturday could be fecking brutal.
I feel the club are being dumb here. There are two decisions to make and one isn't dependant on the other.
1) sack Ole? Yes 100%!
2) who replaces him?
Now the answer the question 2 shouldn't change the thinking of 1. Any manager on the shortlist would be better than Ole. We could even remove Ole and bring in an interim, similar to what Chelsea did with Hiddink and Rafa.
Ole should not have started the day as the manager. For me this is now worse than the result against Liverpool, as the club are essentially accepting it!
If you wouldn't accept a 5-0 loss to Liverpool under Jose, why would we accept one now under Ole when we are meant to have progressed.
I'm truly disgusted by the state of the club and those on the board. It's Mates FC with no held to account or taking responsibility.
1) sack Ole? Yes 100%!
2) who replaces him?
Now the answer the question 2 shouldn't change the thinking of 1. Any manager on the shortlist would be better than Ole. We could even remove Ole and bring in an interim, similar to what Chelsea did with Hiddink and Rafa.
Ole should not have started the day as the manager. For me this is now worse than the result against Liverpool, as the club are essentially accepting it!
If you wouldn't accept a 5-0 loss to Liverpool under Jose, why would we accept one now under Ole when we are meant to have progressed.
I'm truly disgusted by the state of the club and those on the board. It's Mates FC with no held to account or taking responsibility.
So we should still base decisions based on his recommendations? How long? Would 27 years of wrong managers based on his recommendation be enough before we say ‘thanks, but we are not gonna appoint the manager you want’.
Club’s had a hard on for him for a while but didn’t have the balls to dump Ole and bring him in when he was available. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they are checking the possibilities of bringing him in Jan or the Summer.
He wont be available anytime soon and I guess they're smart enough to know this at least. Barring an awful season by PSG but not seeing it before the spring and possible (hopeful) crashing out of CL.
Then they should have done that when he was unemployed!
If they favour Poch so much, why the hell didn’t they appoint him last year when he was a free agent? It’s not like Ole was tearing it up.
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Casting doubt on his judgement regarding alleged managerial preferences is hardly “turning on” him. I thought he was daft to get rid of Peter Davenport in 1988*; does that make me not a Proper Fan?
* a decision he came to regret, if you can believe his autobiography
How fecking stupid can this board be. This is our worst run under Ole so far - at any normal club that's enough to get a manager sacked alone, but you have to look at the patterns if you want more proof that the man is not good enough.
Is this the first time Ole has gone through a period where you feel he probably should have been sacked? No, we've had 2 or 3 at least. He turned those around and we put in runs of good form, even getting the fans wondering if maybe he is the right man for the job.
But then you look at our current form and this pattern, are we really willing going to go through this shit forever? At some point you have to decide enough is enough. We could batter Spurs, we can pull off an upset against City, qualify for the next stage of the Champions League and go on a run of winning games to clinch a top 4 spot come the end of the season. Does this mean Ole is the right man for the job? No, because we've seen it all fecking before.
The media keep saying Ole is building something here, Ole himself says he's building something here. But then you look at Manchester United under Ole for three years and all you really see are hot and cold patches. No developing style, no improvement on tactical weaknessess, even some of our biggest signings can't get on the pitch. We aren't building anything, we literally just blip in and out of form and ultimately that level of consistency will achieve feck all.
Is this the first time Ole has gone through a period where you feel he probably should have been sacked? No, we've had 2 or 3 at least. He turned those around and we put in runs of good form, even getting the fans wondering if maybe he is the right man for the job.
But then you look at our current form and this pattern, are we really willing going to go through this shit forever? At some point you have to decide enough is enough. We could batter Spurs, we can pull off an upset against City, qualify for the next stage of the Champions League and go on a run of winning games to clinch a top 4 spot come the end of the season. Does this mean Ole is the right man for the job? No, because we've seen it all fecking before.
The media keep saying Ole is building something here, Ole himself says he's building something here. But then you look at Manchester United under Ole for three years and all you really see are hot and cold patches. No developing style, no improvement on tactical weaknessess, even some of our biggest signings can't get on the pitch. We aren't building anything, we literally just blip in and out of form and ultimately that level of consistency will achieve feck all.
Definitely agreed but, I'd say, Ole included, we have never actually hired an attacking coach. so the only big real change in direction has been LVG to Mou.
Personally I think there are a real variety of options and probably the main issue is we have loaded our squad with some big egos who will be a challenge for a new coach - for example, Potter would be high on my list for a longer term project but I doubt he could come in and control some of our big name players and agents as it stands - I almost think we need someone like Conte to come in, lay down the law, put a system in place and we hope for top four, maybe a cup, then you have Ronnie, Cavani, Matic, Pogba all gone and bring in someone to develop the youth/work with what we have (Conte to Potter is a random example but would have a nice synergy given both are adept with wing back setups).
Well for one it was before the game and as such got the game called off. If you can't tell the difference between protesting the ownership of the club and the manager then I don't really know where you've been for the last 15+ years.
And what makes you think people singing songs basically so we didn't have to listen to the away end means they think Ole is the right man for the job long term? I don't know anyone I go with or stand near that thinks he'll be here much longer?
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