Premier League Gameweek 14

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Chelsea's season really hinges on keeping Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic fit for the most of the season. The drop off from those 3 to anyone else in the squad is pretty wild. Tuchel's whole thing is winning the midfield battle and controlling the game. If we can't do that then every game turns into a crap shoot with a very uncertain outcome.
Personally, I don't think your chances of winning the league are high with attackers showing up in moments. You'll eventually need a couple of players like Lukaku/Havertz going on a run of high quality performances.
 

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Bloody hell Everton's record against liverpool really is appalling. They're not not a 15th placed team or some shit like that but based on their inept displays against their rivals, it absolutely looks that way.
They're 14th.
 

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Bloody hell Everton's record against liverpool really is appalling. They're not not a 15th placed team or some shit like that but based on their inept displays against their rivals, it absolutely looks that way.

Liverpool and City are looking really good. Chelsea just about grinding results out.
This season we are crap and haven't won in 2 months so winning yesterday would have been a miracle.
 

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Chelsea are a strong team, but over the course of the season I can't see them keeping pace with City and Liverpool. Those two teams look so much more dominant when at their best.

But either way those three are so far ahead of the rest (of the league) it's crazy, in fact I'd probably rank them as the top three in the world at the moment, with only Bayern arguably on the same level.

Anyway, If all goes to plan hopefully we'll be up there with them in a year or two.
 

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Liverpool beat Everton. In other news water is wet.

(I know I know, water isnt wet, its just an expression)
 

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Personally, I don't think your chances of winning the league are high with attackers showing up in moments. You'll eventually need a couple of players like Lukaku/Havertz going on a run of high quality performances.
Lukaku has barely got going yet. I'm pretty certain he will end up around the 15 goals mark, which would be decent considering the time he's missed. If the rest of the attackers can get to about 5-6 goals each, we could remain in the race until the end. We're obviously not going to match Liverpool and City's firepower, though we're currently out scoring City by 5 goals, but if we can keep a league best defence going the entire season, there's less burden on our attackers to catch fire and go on a big run.
 
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In a way this situation gives us a possibility to experiment a bit with the team and just chase that 4th spot. No way we're getting between Chelsea, Liverpool and City so we have to adjust our expectations unfortunately, and play the long game (have a team ready for next season). Hopefully that's why Ralf is here for.
 

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Chelsea are a strong team, but over the course of the season I can't see them keeping pace with City and Liverpool. Those two teams look so much more dominant when at their best.

But either way those three are so far ahead of the rest (of the league) it's crazy, in fact I'd probably rank them as the top three in the world at the moment, with only Bayern arguably on the same level.

Anyway, If all goes to plan hopefully we'll be up there with them in a year or two.
Well our expectations pre-season were title challengers. It’s not out of this world that we could win the league but we have to be realistic, we have been behind Liverpool and City for a couple of seasons and there’s no way any team can move in front of those in just 1 and a half seasons.

I’m predicting 2nd, on the basis that Jota gets injured and the AFCON.
 

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Well our expectations pre-season were title challengers. It’s not out of this world that we could win the league but we have to be realistic, we have been behind Liverpool and City for a couple of seasons and there’s no way any team can move in front of those in just 1 and a half seasons.

I’m predicting 2nd, on the basis that Jota gets injured and the AFCON.
On the basis that he isn't injured, you're effectively wishing/hoping injury on him. I got a three day ban for that. :p
 

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Chelsea are a strong team, but over the course of the season I can't see them keeping pace with City and Liverpool. Those two teams look so much more dominant when at their best.

But either way those three are so far ahead of the rest (of the league) it's crazy, in fact I'd probably rank them as the top three in the world at the moment, with only Bayern arguably on the same level.

Anyway, If all goes to plan hopefully we'll be up there with them in a year or two.
I cannot make my mind up about Chelsea, lack of goals is an issue but equally they have a lot of injuries at the moment which I think is being underplayed. I mean yesterday they were playing their 4th and 5th CM, their 2nd LWB and RWB and missing their 1st CB (Silva, although he did come on.) Equally, there top summer signing has also been out, although I actually think that was a good thing for them.
 

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lack of goals is an issue
Is it though? We have the second highest GF in the league. Only the craziness of Liverpool's attack is making the difference even noticeable. If we're winning games with 1-2 goals but winning more consistently due to a tight defence, that should pay off over the course of a season compared to a team who routinely smashes it by 3-4 but drops points more regularly. Not saying this will actually happen, Liverpool look very scary this year, but I'm not sure pure goal-scoring numbers will ultimately be the difference.
 

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Is it though? We have the second highest GF in the league. Only the craziness of Liverpool's attack is making the difference even noticeable. If we're winning games with 1-2 goals but winning more consistently due to a tight defence, that should pay off over the course of a season compared to a team who routinely smashes it by 3-4 but drops points more regularly. Not saying this will actually happen, Liverpool look very scary this year, but I'm not sure pure goal-scoring numbers will ultimately be the difference.
The total numbers are not the issue, but the lack of consistency is. Chelsea sometimes score 3 or 4 goals, and on other times barely manage to get even 1 in. And than you get those narrow games where you have to work hard for 90min and might only get one point for it in the end.
 

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Is it though? We have the second highest GF in the league. Only the craziness of Liverpool's attack is making the difference even noticeable. If we're winning games with 1-2 goals but winning more consistently due to a tight defence, that should pay off over the course of a season compared to a team who routinely smashes it by 3-4 but drops points more regularly. Not saying this will actually happen, Liverpool look very scary this year, but I'm not sure pure goal-scoring numbers will ultimately be the difference.
This is one of those cases where xG, xGA & even xPTS pretty clearly support the eye test (& vice versa). Chelsea is heavily outperforming all those metrics and that's how they look like: very good, but not as good as Liverpool & City. Every other team in the league being dreadful makes them look even better, too. The winter schedule & run-in will catch up with them.
 

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The total numbers are not the issue, but the lack of consistency is. Chelsea sometimes score 3 or 4 goals, and on other times barely manage to get even 1 in. And than you get those narrow games where you have to work hard for 90min and might only get one point for it in the end.
How does this work though considering we have dropped less points than any other team and thus have been more consistent?
 

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How does this work though considering we have dropped less points than any other team and thus have been more consistent?
You have to work harder for most of your points than Liverpool. You constantly do it, that's why you are top of the table, but it is more exhausting. Might get you in trouble.
 

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You have to work harder for most of your points than Liverpool. You constantly do it, that's why you are top of the table, but it is more exhausting. Might get you in trouble.
It might get into trouble for every team not only Chelsea. We are still operating in optimum level despite missing many key players. Occasionally it look like we are struggling a bit but tuchel just freshen up things in this busy period while we were having that points advantage.

It will give us enough mile during this busy festive period and will meet Liverpool at the start of next year with points advantage in my opinion. Of course it may not happen but look like very top level player management by tuchel by managing players' minutes for greater good.
 

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It might get into trouble for every team not only Chelsea. We are still operating in optimum level despite missing many key players. Occasionally it look like we are struggling a bit but tuchel just freshen up things in this busy period while we were having that points advantage.

It will give us enough mile during this busy festive period and will meet Liverpool at the start of next year with points advantage in my opinion. Of course it may not happen but look like very top level player management by tuchel by managing players' minutes for greater good.
I was looking at your team last night and saw Kante, Koviac, Jorginho, Chilwell, Tiago, Lukuka, Werner and Ziyech were not starting. That is some squad depth.
 

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I was looking at your team last night and saw Kante, Koviac, Jorginho, Chilwell, Tiago, Lukuka, Werner and Ziyech were not starting. That is some squad depth.
CHO was out perfectly healthy. Tuchel is definitely looking at where he can play a thin starting line up to rotate people. He was saving his best for West Ham, which is our highest table opponent in December.. Another thing that I like about Tuchel, he is willing to take a loss instead of rushing players back from injury. Unless they are 100%, they sit. I am sure the players appreciate that he is more interested in their long term health.
 

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It might get into trouble for every team not only Chelsea. We are still operating in optimum level despite missing many key players. Occasionally it look like we are struggling a bit but tuchel just freshen up things in this busy period while we were having that points advantage.

It will give us enough mile during this busy festive period and will meet Liverpool at the start of next year with points advantage in my opinion. Of course it may not happen but look like very top level player management by tuchel by managing players' minutes for greater good.
Have we really been optimal recently though? I mean the big win against Juve was a great result, but I don't think we've exactly been setting the world on fire against Burnley, United and now Watford. Tuchel is doing an amazing job, but I do think we've dipped a bit lately.
 

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Have we really been optimal recently though? I mean the big win against Juve was a great result, but I don't think we've exactly been setting the world on fire against Burnley, United and now Watford. Tuchel is doing an amazing job, but I do think we've dipped a bit lately.
May be you are right but performance wise I don't think any thing bad in united or Burnley game still we created more than enough chances to win 3-0 4-0 comfortably.

Watford was a bit tricky as we rotated heavily in this match with our recent patterns of play in matches through wingbacks especially Reece and chillwell missed heavily in this match.

Those in form wingbacks and first choice midfield all missed in single game sure we dropped heavily in performance but not gave up. We still fought and won hard earned three points. We will play well against West ham in my opinion.
 

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If he was the last Spurs player to kick it outside the box it’s an assist. I never seen the goal. Was it kicked from outside the box?
 

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Wow, that was some delayed flag for a throw in :lol: linesman must have forgot VAR doesn't do that job for him yet.
 

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spurs looking more... intense with movements, pressing. Prob the conte effect