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He's playing up to the far right, no doubt.
It's funny how this one word has become so absolutely meaningless. Can be used to refer to literally anything.
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Peak cancel culture. Close thread.
There’s a theory knocking round that one of the inadvertent consequences to invading Ukraine that Russia is worrying about is an easing of the culture war they’ve been desperately stirring for the last decade or more, to try and destabilise the West.
Endless arguments about who gets to use which bathrooms seems even more trivial now there’s such an overt and evil enemy to both sides of the debate. So it makes sense he’s been briefed to try and keep the fire lit as much as possible.
Endless arguments about who gets to use which bathrooms seems even more trivial now there’s such an overt and evil enemy to both sides of the debate. So it makes sense he’s been briefed to try and keep the fire lit as much as possible.
Yeah it is Russia that has fuelled culture wars in the west.
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Yeah it is Russia that has fuelled culture wars in the wear.
Yes. That is correct. Although I said “stirring”. Which is a better description of Russia’s involvement.Yeah it is Russia that has fuelled culture wars in the west.
"The mighty Russia will resist turning into the kind of country where the writer of beloved sitcoms like Father Ted cannot reveal his genitals on Mumsnet without fear of censure..."
I wonder who could be behind all of the funding for groups pushing this cancel culture shit
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J K Rowling with an "am I the bad guy?" moment in the post.
I do like how just from this page you can see that he tried it once and it didn't really get play so he tried it again but with the Rowling bit and boom.
Why can't these champagne socialists just stop harassing everyone with their agendas? I'll be sitting in my house enjoying a stout and an onion pasty - probably watching a classic Morse or Only Fools, and suddenly they'll come barging in on the adverts - waving their organic, liberal non-binary lesbian peepees in my face. fecking annoys me no end and puts me off the wank I'm having to Carol Vorderman's exposed shin in the life insurance adverts.
Won’t exactly help their reputation as basement dwelling neck beards by framing their anxiety around a fecking comic book character.
PC gone mad when you can't even bomb the shit out of pregnant women and children.
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I used to like Dilbert.
The alt right nutters in the Netherlands have neatly lined up behind Putin and are spreading the whole, Ukraine are all nazi's crap.
There's an article today about cancel culture in a high school. I would not recommend reading it. Not because it isn't interesting, but because the style is so bad I couldn't last 5 minutes. From twitter screenshots, the case is a boy who shared his girlfriend's nudes, and then got put on some type of list of abusers. He was boycotted by the rest of the students, and even people speaking to him were boycotted.
I don't think sharing nudes is a small thing, and I'm not sure he got any official punishment, but these total social boycotts are scary, and teenagers using this is really scary.
Anyway, that made me think back to this thread and Sabatini, and I was wondering how other research workers (r/labrats) saw the case. Lot of the same points made here (with many more people critical of him). You can see for yourself here, here, here and here. I learnt that he was on the complainant's thesis committee (but before the affair), and that his father and brother are on the board of NYU (who tried to hire him). But there was also something else, not related to the allegations but to his research:
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/01/29/david-sabatini-tormented-by-steaming-turds/
These are some quite blatantly doctored images in multiple papers of his. It's possible this was a massive number rogue students whose work he didn't examine closely enough, but talk like this doesn't help:
consistent research fraud many errors in published work have less consequences than (what is being portrayed as) a grey-area violation of workplace policy.
Anyway, that's partly why I was frustrated with this discourse about this - like without one man, cancer is eternal, with him, it's beaten.
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If you want to see the actual back-and-forth between a prof and these anonymous research fraud types, this is amazing. I don't have the time or patience to figure which side is more plausible, but the amount of work both are doing is crazy. Fraud or not, Sabatini's collaborator made a much better effort to address allegations than Sabatini's method of twitter block or his perfunctory response here.
e - seems like i posted in the wrong thread, i remembered a lot more discussion than one solitary post.
I don't think sharing nudes is a small thing, and I'm not sure he got any official punishment, but these total social boycotts are scary, and teenagers using this is really scary.
Anyway, that made me think back to this thread and Sabatini, and I was wondering how other research workers (r/labrats) saw the case. Lot of the same points made here (with many more people critical of him). You can see for yourself here, here, here and here. I learnt that he was on the complainant's thesis committee (but before the affair), and that his father and brother are on the board of NYU (who tried to hire him). But there was also something else, not related to the allegations but to his research:
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/01/29/david-sabatini-tormented-by-steaming-turds/
These are some quite blatantly doctored images in multiple papers of his. It's possible this was a massive number rogue students whose work he didn't examine closely enough, but talk like this doesn't help:
Just to clarify, this linked piece was written before the allegations. These could have been career-ending together, but didn't lead to even a single retraction. It certainly says ... something that
Anyway, that's partly why I was frustrated with this discourse about this - like without one man, cancer is eternal, with him, it's beaten.
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If you want to see the actual back-and-forth between a prof and these anonymous research fraud types, this is amazing. I don't have the time or patience to figure which side is more plausible, but the amount of work both are doing is crazy. Fraud or not, Sabatini's collaborator made a much better effort to address allegations than Sabatini's method of twitter block or his perfunctory response here.
e - seems like i posted in the wrong thread, i remembered a lot more discussion than one solitary post.
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My sympathy for someone receiving backlash after sharing nude photos of someone else is very limited.
The boycott included everyone who talked to him.
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In the ‘Cancel Culture’ thread, really?
Very tongue in cheek.
You see this is why I shouldn’t post in forums, I never spot irony in text.
Cancel Culture has always been a thing. It's just the line has moved slightly.
The only difference now is that the people being cancelled have an alternative life where they end up on LBC Radio/GB News where their entire thing is "being cancelled".
The only difference now is that the people being cancelled have an alternative life where they end up on LBC Radio/GB News where their entire thing is "being cancelled".
So far this one is one of the more clear examples of cancel culture. I can't find whether he got his job back or not, but he's suing the company.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/lo...tured-in-monica-lewinsky-documentary/2737370/
I know this isn't really a topic for this thread entirely, but I'm not making a new one.
Alt-right twitter in The Netherlands is trying cancel sunscreen with the #sunscreenfree hashtag implying that it's all a big pharma hoax and that your skin can handle sunlight just fine as long as you let your skin "get used to it" in spring and gradually increase exposure to it. Is this an international thing or is this particular bit of feckwittery confined to my dumb country?
I mean, at what point do you throw people in jail, because they urge their brainless followers to expose their small children to direct sunlight without sunscreen?
Alt-right twitter in The Netherlands is trying cancel sunscreen with the #sunscreenfree hashtag implying that it's all a big pharma hoax and that your skin can handle sunlight just fine as long as you let your skin "get used to it" in spring and gradually increase exposure to it. Is this an international thing or is this particular bit of feckwittery confined to my dumb country?
I mean, at what point do you throw people in jail, because they urge their brainless followers to expose their small children to direct sunlight without sunscreen?