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The article is specifically about social housing, i.e. provided by your local council. They want councils to prioritise housing British people over immigrants.
I don't think that's an especially controversial stance to take.
 

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I don't think that's an especially controversial stance to take.
Not for xenophobes or racists, sure. Personally I think people should be prioritised as per their needs, not the colour of their skin or where they are originally from.

The lack of housing isn't caused by inward migration, it's caused by 14 years of Tory austerity.
 

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I don't think that's an especially controversial stance to take.
not unlike not wanting asylum seekers housed in 4 star hotels, living in luxury. when the reality is actually somewhat different.
 

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Not for xenophobes or racists, sure. Personally I think people should be prioritised as per their needs, not the colour of their skin or where they are originally from.

The lack of housing isn't caused by inward migration, it's caused by 14 years of Tory austerity.
Any country has an obligation to its own citizens, first and foremost.
 

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Not for xenophobes or racists, sure. Personally I think people should be prioritised as per their needs, not the colour of their skin or where they are originally from.

The lack of housing isn't caused by inward migration, it's caused by 14 years of Tory austerity.
It's caused by 30+ years of policy
 

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I know this country has shifted right but if Badenoch or Braveman were leading the Tory party into a general election off the back of the 14 year shit show I genuinely believe that they’d be under threat of the Lib Dem’s pushing them into 3rd place.
 

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If Sunak doesn't make it to the election, I could seriously see the tories going under 50 seats. People won't be able to take another switch. Just pure rage will come over the electorate and I think the reform protest vote jumps again, and anyone still voting for Rishi as a "centrist" goes labour.
 

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If Sunak doesn't make it to the election, I could seriously see the tories going under 50 seats. People won't be able to take another switch. Just pure rage will come over the electorate and I think the reform protest vote jumps again, and anyone still voting for Rishi as a "centrist" goes labour.
Good. Hope they rot
 

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I expect Green to pick up a few seats. The left have the choice of either voting for Starmer or vote elsewhere and Lib Dems are utterly useless along with people having lost faith with them.

I do think Tories will do better than they're currently polling. But Labour will stride it with complete ease.
 

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I don't think Sunak will go before the election. The likes of Hunt and his supporters will want to wait for their coming election catastrophe before taking over at the bottom, they won't send letters in. The right will of course, in the hope that the membership votes one of their own as leader, but among Tory MPs they are a minority, the others are well aware of the danger of that, they won't back a leadership election, yet.
 

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I don't think Sunak will go before the election. The likes of Hunt and his supporters will want to wait for their coming election catastrophe before taking over at the bottom, they won't send letters in. The right will of course, in the hope that the membership votes one of their own as leader, but among Tory MPs they are a minority, the others are well aware of the danger of that, they won't back a leadership election, yet.
It would take a Liz Truss type basket case to want the leadership now. So out of the 349 Tory MP's I'd wager about 300 or so are currently scheming for it.
 

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Is there any particular reason they chose Rwanda specifically for this scheme?
Because they're an English speaking ex-colony who were happy to (pretend to?) go along with it in exchange for British taxpayer money.
 

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It was a French colony, but is in the Commonwealth for some reason.
German colony, then Belgian, but English is one of it's official languages, so maybe there was a strong British commercial presence, just guessing.

I don't think the decision is anything to do with who's colony it was, rather who would take the money.
 
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German colony, then Belgian, but English is one of it's official languages, so maybe there was a strong British commercial presence, just guessing.

I don't think the decision is anything to do with who's colony it was, rather who would take the money.
It seems a weird choice on face of it. There are safer countries that would have taken the money. I wonder though, Tories being Tories, whether they picked it precisely because it is not safe, not really any body's first choice for asylum.
 

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Is there any particular reason they chose Rwanda specifically for this scheme?
A country that, superficially at least, is stable and upholds rule of law, making it, again superficially, palatable to the domestic populace, who can be convinced its safe more than they would be DRC or Somalia for instance. Plus Rwanda was willing and happy to take the money.

Important to note this isn't Rwanda's first rodeo either. They signed a similar scheme with Israel (and had some deportations I believe) as well as Denmark. The EU had one with Niger. Australia had one of course with PNG and Narau.

Of course not to mention the EU's deal with Turkey, which was different but aimed at the same area.
 

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German colony, then Belgian, but English is one of it's official languages, so maybe there was a strong British commercial presence, just guessing.

I don't think the decision is anything to do with who's colony it was, rather who would take the money.
Ah, was thinking French cos they actually intervened during the massacre when everyone else did feck all from memory.
But yep absolutely, it was purely about who would take your refugees for cash, which must be very few countries.
 

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David Lammy delivered some wonderful speeches in the Commons as a back-bencher in response the Windrush Scandal, during the Brexit chaos with Theresa May brought back her withdrawal agreement etc.. And he seemed to be a very diligent, caring constituency MP.

But as shadow foreign secretary he seems out of his depth, albeit not as much as Lisa Nandy during Starmer's initial shadow cabinet/ Now I'd much prefer to see him as foreign secretary than any Tory alternative, and I'd always prefer a Labour / Labour-led government over a Tory / Tory-led one. But still I don't have a great deal of confidence in him.
 

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It seems a weird choice on face of it. There are safer countries that would have taken the money. I wonder though, Tories being Tories, whether they picked it precisely because it is not safe, not really any body's first choice for asylum.
I'm not defending the plan in any way whatsoever, but out of respect to Rwanda it is one of the safest countries in Africa, if not the safest. It has a tragic history of course but they have progressed beyond expectation.
 

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I'm not defending the plan in any way whatsoever, but out of respect to Rwanda it is one of the safest countries in Africa, if not the safest. It has a tragic history of course but they have progressed beyond expectation.
Have they?

‘Well-camouflaged dictatorship’: Rwandans fear for safety while dirty tricks campaign undermines critics

Kagame’s government targeted journalists who uncovered killings, disappearances and torture linked to the regime

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hile-dirty-tricks-campaign-undermines-critics
 

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Have they?

‘Well-camouflaged dictatorship’: Rwandans fear for safety while dirty tricks campaign undermines critics

Kagame’s government targeted journalists who uncovered killings, disappearances and torture linked to the regime

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hile-dirty-tricks-campaign-undermines-critics
I take your point, I had been looking at advice sites for the safety of visitors and Kigali comes out quite well on those, but I suppose political opponents are different. The allegation was that there are safer countries though, and in Africa, sadly, I don't think there will be many.
 

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A Tory MP said he quit his ministerial role because he could not afford to pay his mortgage on a salary of £118,300.

Mid Norfolk MP George Freeman resigned as science minister in November.

In a blog post, he said he stood down: "Because my mortgage rises this month from £800pcm to £2,000, which I simply couldn't afford to pay on a ministerial salary."

Downing Street said it had "no plans to change our approach to ministerial pay".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

What a shame. If only he had a job where he could have made a difference to the country's economy and to the mortgage payments of people.