Klopp is a better manager than Pep.
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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It’s very hard to argue against Pep but if I was given the choice between Klopp and Pep to be our manager following Fergie I’d genuinely choose Klopp. I much prefer his style of play and always thought his Dortmund were a natural evolution of how Sir Alex played. Wanted him at the time, was devastated he went to Liverpool and I’m very happy he’s fecking off - hopefully it’ll be without another title.
The Klopp worshippers will conveniently forget this fact. If you are a good enough team, you will win but apparently 2nd place and points tally are an achievement.
So what? He's a better coach and has his teams playing a far more dominant style of football. He elevates players just like Klopp does. You think City would be anywhere near this level of ruthless consistency without him? No chance. Also, Pep mops up all the trophies, where as Klopp occasionally picks up the left overs. Maybe it's the cool thing to rate Klopp higher because he started from a lower level, but he simply isn't as good.
You didn't lose a league title to this City. You lost to Mancini's City.
Ferguson was swatted every time he came up against Pep. I have no doubt he'd have snatched a league or two if he was competing with Pep, but the history says he was tactically outmatched so the idea that he'd naturally best him is just pure supposition.
There's no argument in my opinion. Winning matters.
The man has the luxury of a blank chequebook and you're wondering how that's relevant to his sides always dominating sides? Think this one through in your head.
Klopp is better because he can take on a bigger challenge and not cheat in the process of winning every available cup. Not least win the grandest prize of them all in the fraction of the time and with a fraction of the money needed for Pep and city.
City did take everything to another level, though, including the amount of points they won leagues with. They left very little room for error.The Klopp worshippers will conveniently forget this fact. If you are a good enough team, you will win but apparently 2nd place and points tally are an achievement.
It's a hilarious argument from those trying to discredit his work really. To go toe to toe with a side blatantly cheating and spending crazy sums and fall ever so slightly short on two occasions whilst pipping them on another is actually pretty amazing.
Yes, and thus, Klopp wasn't good enough to rise to that challenge.
He lost a league title to this City in its infancy.
City are now viewed as an actual big club by players but back then joining them was still seen as a somehwat mercenary move.
Their 2012 squad, while good, cannot be compared to the recent ones in terms of quality and depth. They kept getting better and better, culminating with the signing of Haaland.
Yep, it is. I'm really staggered at some of the comments here. I know it's Liverpool and all, but credit where credit's due.
Yes, Klopp deserves a gold star for that, while, Pep can celebrate his trophies.
The media & the Liverpool fanbase haven't overreacted to this news at all.
Credit due.
Credit due.
So did that Chelsea side in 05/06, and guess who got the better of them in the end?
Pep dominates sides because he's a brilliant coach who knows how to implement a dominant style of football. If you are going to enable him to spend a lot of money too, then you're simply not going to be able to stop him. Not on a consistent basis anyway.
Klopp has given it a good go and enjoyed some success, but he isn't as good. I'm sure if he was at City, he would have won more. However, his City wouldn't have been as good as Pep's City because he cannot coach as dominant a brand of football. Many prefer Klopp's style and the reason for that is because ultimately it is flawed. Pep's style is perfection and that leaves some people feeling bored.
For now.
The love in for Klopp and Liverpool on here by a few of you is pathetic . Feck off to RAWK
Chelsea took it to another level, and then City took it to yet another level - one that's almost impossible to match. The fact that Klopp matched it is nearly a football miracle.
You are not being able to stop sides with superior players on a consistent basis, that is why clubs try to, you know, sign good players.
It is also funny that you say that, as he has a history of being stopped consistently by inferior sides in the CL. I cannot imagine the likes of Real from the mid 2010s, United from the late 00s for Bayern from the early 2010s going out in two-legged ties to the likes of Tottenham or Monaco. Or being eliminated by Lyon.
So a United fan cannot appreciate the ability and achievements of Liverpool and their manager?
Right, Klopp is crap, his football is shite and his trophies are all about luck. Is that better?
What is this revisionism? Klopp played the best football in the league the years he came 2nd and the year he came 1st. Liverpool were far more enjoyable to watch when he hit his prime gear than city were.
His style is more direct and has more risk than Pep, and that's by design. Pep is more of a possession based manager, by design. When it came to more enjoyable football, prime Klopp is certainly more entertaining.
He didn’t go consistently toe to toe with them though, he did well to get near them 3 seasons out of 9
Chelsea’s spending relative to the market was more excessive.
We lost a league title to this cheating oil club. That’s the point. If it’s going to be used as an excuse for Klopp then we missed out on a few more titles ourselves.
That’s not even mentioning Chelsea and Roman.
City have massively underachieved in Europe, true. It's a cup competition though, so a lot easier to knock them out over 90/180 mins than it is to finish above them over 38 games. Having said that, every chance they win it again this season. The standard throughout Europe is pretty poor.
There was a spell where he was able to, I've addressed the underperforming seasons in previous posts.
Very weird form of tribal nonsense here.
He’s an incredible manager (no question better than Guardiola for me) and we should all be absolutely over the moon he’s fecking off.
Then you'll get people who'll tell you Pep's achievement are hollow and maybe he'll even lose those trophies.
Which means that both Pep and Klopp aren't that great. Which is kind of weird.
But City have done it in a much smarter way and also have a structure which sustained them long term, while the Mourinho led Chelsea didn't last long.
That Klopp matched it was very, very impressive but not a football miracle as he did it by running the players in the ground. Had he matched City without running the players in the ground and having bad seasons, now that would be a miracle indeed. It's not like he matched their consistency and trophies.
Not sure how this is even slightly debatable in fairness.
It is more entertaining to some because it is flawed. It has always been less controlled, which pleases the neutrals as it gives you that element of unpredictability. Pep doesn't coach flawed football.
If that's his worst offence, I'd say he's in a pretty brilliant place.
Like, is there a manager who wouldn't do that if it would give him a shot at the bigger trophies? No, but it wouldn't help most. I
I mean, you’re explaining exactly why many find predictable controlled football nowhere near as good, exciting, entertaining.
So he didn’t go consistently toe to toe with them like you said. He did it 3 times, in 9 seasons. The other times he was finishing below us while we’ve had a decade disaster
He took over a team in 10th man
You think he could go up against 120 charges cheating fecks after a Summer or 2? Wtf.
That’s got nothing to do with what I was refuting though. You’ve got posters making out he’d have won every league if it wasn’t for peps city and he contended with then every year, which is pretty falseHe took over a team in 9th man
the team he took over was shit yeah, they also almost won the league the year before, he spent£900 mil too so that’s not a bad spend either
He almost instantly had to sell their best players though, did Pep? So a shit team selling their best players and you think it’s fair to claim 3 from 9 as though he should have been doing anything in those first 3 seasons
I've got no problem with people finding it more entertaining. Unfortunately though, clinical, precise, perfect football wins out more often than not.