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1.Why as a group? What links them with each other and more importantly excludes other players they played with who didn’t achieve as much as some mentioned? Players like Mata and Van De Beek, Phil Jones etc.
2.How did they all join for a lot of money
3.Pogba and Lingard performed in big games and finals, scoring goals in finals we won. They along with Rashford have won more trophies than any other players post SAF. Rashford has scored and performed in many big games.
4. Only Rashford of the four played in the 7-0
Pogba and Lingard weren’t even at the club at that point and the continuing decline eg Stats of most shots etc have nothing to do with three quarters of this group named. The funny thing is that yeah….it’s these players that are blamed.I won’t remember many players fondly either but I also wouldn’t group these four together. Sancho would go with VDB and Mata. Lingard I’d put in with McT but that’s not doing him Justice. Pogba and Rashford probably put together.
I see no reason to group these players in isolation.
These players were the key players for Liverpool and the spine of their team, in a moment in time they were modeling before mainstream celebrity was a thing in football and they wore the white suits and lost. There is a very specific reason to group those players together.
Rashford is an introvert, Pogba a devout Muslim, Lingard was merely a decent squad player and Sancho is a waste of space but has done nothing to deserve putting in a group with the other players. He probably played about 20 games at most with them.
So no it’s nothing like the above. We’ve had two seasons without three of them (Sancho barely played last season) and we have gotten worse.
What would be the perfect comparison point for
Maguire, Lindelof, Bruno, McT?
Only McT has turned up in a few big games and the others have bottled finals. Lost 7-0 to Liverpool and 6-3 to City etc.
VDB £40 in 20201.Why as a group? What links them with each other and more importantly excludes other players they played with who didn’t achieve as much as some mentioned? Players like Mata and Van De Beek, Phil Jones etc.
2.How did they all join for a lot of money
3.Pogba and Lingard performed in big games and finals, scoring goals in finals we won. They along with Rashford have won more trophies than any other players post SAF. Rashford has scored and performed in many big games.
4. Only Rashford of the four played in the 7-0
I won’t remember many players fondly either but I also wouldn’t group these four together. Sancho would go with VDB and Mata. Lingard I’d put in with McT but that’s not doing him Justice. Pogba and Rashford probably put together.
I see no reason to group these players in isolation.
Mata £37 2014
Jones £16m 2011
These players were a lot of money for their time. They weren’t some random bargain. Phil Jones transfer was huge for a relative unknown youngster.
Add Maguire to that.
But bizarrely none of them are a problem for a lot of our fanbase which begs the question why. Dancing has a lot to answer for
although I don’t think I’ve heard of Rashford dancing.What? They've all been decried as failures and horrible transfers, although Phil Jones did well enough up until his body fell apart.Add Maguire to that.
But bizarrely none of them are a problem for a lot of our fanbase which begs the question why. Dancing has a lot to answer for
Why do people just make up complete nonsense? Are you actually trying to imply that most fans think Maguire, Mata and VDB were perfectly fine transfers that didn't disappoint? Because that's just the actual opposite of the truth. Lying doesn't strengthen your argument. It's just that since all the players you and slipperyshoe mentioned have left the club either permanently or on loan, besides Maguire who has had a respectable season, people aren't going to be talking about them much. Did you expect fans to still bemoan the Mata transfer as much as Sancho? Because it sounds a lot to me like you're saying that it's unreasonable for fans to talk about Sancho if they aren't also still talking about Phil Jones and Mata and whoever. That's a ridiculous view.
Sancho cost a lot of money and was a resounding failure from the start, and to make matters worse, he caused drama at the club and behaved so badly that he was effectively banished. And that happened within the span of the last year. It's beyond irrational to say that fans can't talk about that if they aren't also bringing up fecking Mata and Phil Jones in the same breath. And Maguire, while he has generally disappointed in the context of his fee, has had good seasons and captained the club for quite a while. In no conceivable way is that comparable to Sancho who was an all-encompassing failure who wouldn't have been appreciated even if he had been a free transfer.
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Why on earth are players like Mata, Maguire and Phil Jones being mentioned as spice boys?
The whole point of the moniker was that they were potentially very good players who seemed more interested in the trappings of fame/celebrity than being the best footballers they could be. Hence you have Sancho and Rashford being punished for disciplinary lapses, Pogba with his greedy agent (and eventual doping ban) plus Lingard with his JLingz crap.
In what weird parallel universe does any of this apply to Mata, Maguire or - most stupid example of all - Phil Jones?!?
The whole point of the moniker was that they were potentially very good players who seemed more interested in the trappings of fame/celebrity than being the best footballers they could be. Hence you have Sancho and Rashford being punished for disciplinary lapses, Pogba with his greedy agent (and eventual doping ban) plus Lingard with his JLingz crap.
In what weird parallel universe does any of this apply to Mata, Maguire or - most stupid example of all - Phil Jones?!?
I mean various pre Klopp Liverpool & post 2005 Arsenal players fit the bill I guess - Collymore, Ruddock, Ince from that crop, but also the likes of Carzola, Mustafi, Konchesky, Julio Baptisa, Andy Carroll, Mertesacker all work as similar ‘symptom of decline’ type players.
But The Spice Boys were very specifically the group of talented youth/young players who came through at the same time as The Fergie Fledglings and acted as a kind of cautionary mirror to them because they never seemed as dedicated. Which means it applies a lot more to the likes of Lingard, Pogba & Rashford and even Sancho than it does to some random senior signings. McT could, sure, but Lindelof & Bruno have nothing to do with it, and Maguire’s issue was never application.
But this isn’t really a talented group coming through together. Nobody links these players together and nobody other than a few people with a particular ongoingly weird narrative have ever associated them with the spice boys for very good reason.
firstly…Those Liverpool players were considered at the time to be a match for Uniteds class of 92. They formed the core of that side as a group Mcmannaman, Fowler, James, Babb, Redknapp, Ruddock. This random group of players picked by one of the most agenda driven posters on here were never the core of the side. Only Pogba and Rashford were ever key players in any United side. So blaming those two or that group makes no sense. To compound the issue somehow Sancho is added to the group. How? He’s hardly been part of any united side and never been a key player, whilst on the flip side it is frankly ridiculous to darken the doors of players who have played hundreds of games, scored big goals and won trophies with jadon fecking Sancho…hence the DVB or Mata comparisons.
Nobody ever looked at that group as a whole as the core of the team, nobody ever expected any of the teams they played in to dominate the league and be ultra successful.
It’s pure revisionism to suggest otherwise.
In addition you’ve got an Introvert and a devout muslim being compared with..
“Several incidents around the behaviour of the so-called Spice Boys generated major media attention, notably the squad’s decision to wear matching cream Armani suits to the 1996 FA Cup Final - a game they went on to lose to key rivals Manchester United.[8] Robbie Fowler told the Daily Mirror in 2008 that "People still remind me about the white suits all the time. It's one of those things - if we had won the game nobody would have mentioned it but we lost and it has become infamous."[9]
McManaman and Fowler were also associated with the controversial "dentist's chair" story prior to Euro 1996.[10] Rumours of a controversial 1998 Christmas party also filled the press.[11][12] “Win, draw or lose, first to the bar for booze,” was the dressing-room mantra, reportedly according to Neil Ruddock. Certain members of the Liverpool squad would sometimes be seen after matches flying down to London to get to the capital's nightclubs, such as Chinawhite, Ten Rooms or the Emporium, by 9pm. Players were romantically linked with known figures, such as Phil Babb dating the glamour model Jo Guest. Ruddock was quoted as saying “We were the first players to get big money, Porsches and Ferraris and get page three birds into bed.”[13] Ruddock shared an anecdote on the Sky Sports television show Soccer AM that Liverpool players would play a game during their fixtures where they would pass a pound coin between them in-match, and whoever was left holding it at the final whistle would have to pay for the first round of drinks after the game.[14]
The players were also linked to music industry figures, with Robbie Williams joining the squad on the team bus before and after a Premier League fixture against Aston Villa in 1995.[15]Jamie Redknapp, Jason McAteer and Phil Babb appeared in the music video One Kiss from Heaven by the pop singer Louise in November 1996”
Absoute nonsense comparison. Feck me.
See the response above. Absolute nonsense agenda driven drivel. Should expect nothing less.Why on earth are players like Mata, Maguire and Phil Jones being mentioned as spice boys?
The whole point of the moniker was that they were potentially very good players who seemed more interested in the trappings of fame/celebrity than being the best footballers they could be. Hence you have Sancho and Rashford being punished for disciplinary lapses, Pogba with his greedy agent (and eventual doping ban) plus Lingard with his JLingz crap.
In what weird parallel universe does any of this apply to Mata, Maguire or - most stupid example of all - Phil Jones?!?
None of our players compare in any way to anything resembling the spice boys. That being said pound for pound Mata and Maguire fit more into the Sancho camp than Pogba, Rashford or Lingard.
Epic post has to be said. Hats off chief and I’m not even joking.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Feels like ages ago.
Just scored a pretty decent goal. And every time I watch him there, all I do is say swear words. He's a different human in Germany. fecker
Of all of your bad takes, claiming Maguire isn't a problem for our fanbase is really up there.Add Maguire to that.
But bizarrely none of them are a problem for a lot of our fanbase which begs the question why. Dancing has a lot to answer for
I thought he’d not been doing very much tbh?
Don't think he's fully fit yet
He at least has been trying hard, it just hasn't really clicked for him so far. That "trying hard" seems already to be a big difference compared to what was often seen at United.
Got the notification from Sky Sports describing it as an 'outrageous solo goal' watched it and he essentially drops the shoulder to go past one defender, who does nothing, on the the 18 yard line, runs into the box and scores while no other defender closes
Definitely wouldn't describe it as outrageous
Definitely wouldn't describe it as outrageous
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Hopefully he goes on a little run now. Recoup as much money as we can and not have to force enough loan
Good dribbling and goal for him on an individual level.
Obligatory and reasonable retort: shocking defending and near post goalkeeping, which was Lindelof and De Gea-esque.
The point stands, he assisted a goal then has done very, very little."He scores on his return debut"
Worldie performance today from a generational talent that was held back by a poor Man Utd system.
Sancho helped 10 men Dortmund secure a win by scoring the winning goal. Amazing. Finally can recoup some value from the transfer.
I understand why Antony isn't working out (can't really spot a pass forward, good but not amazing at creating the space to shoot with his left, no right foot (contributes to why he has trouble getting a shot off on his left), not strong enough to get on things at the back post, just lacks the one great quality that makes a winger explosive).
Why Sancho isn't a City-style winger slowing things down, retaining the ball under pressure and helping pin teams back when we have the ball and being useful on the counter as a smart passer and fairly decent (say 10 league goals a year) goal-scorer, I have no idea whatsoever.
Why Sancho isn't a City-style winger slowing things down, retaining the ball under pressure and helping pin teams back when we have the ball and being useful on the counter as a smart passer and fairly decent (say 10 league goals a year) goal-scorer, I have no idea whatsoever.
Hope the German media keeps hyping him up. Sancho Sancho Sancho (to the song of Chelsea X3)
Oh don’t get me wrong, he’s shite…but he isn’t in a conversation like the one being had.
Of all of your lack of insight, picking that out of this discussion really shows how blinded people are by agenda.
I see little hype and a lot of "looks like he slowly gets in form" currently. Not even BILD are hyping him up but doing just that.
Beautiful goal.
Think Ashworth will insist on the new manager running the rule over him before he goes anywhere myself but I’ve been wrong before.
Think Ashworth will insist on the new manager running the rule over him before he goes anywhere myself but I’ve been wrong before.
Pogba was levels above Enzo it’s not even remotely close what they both can do on a football pitch. It’s an insult to Pogba to even compare.
France have won two world cups and Pogba has been a standout three tournaments. The guy deserves a tonne of credit.
His club career numbers aren’t bad either. If he’d have gone to city people would be talking about him in a completely different way. He’d have been one of the Prem greats. Pep wanted him that’s obvious.
But this didn't happen. Concerning your previous assesment I'd ask, it's Pogba's career better than those of:
-Kopa
-Fontaine
-Platini
-Papin
-Zidane
-Henry
-Mbappe
Enzo was considered one of the players of the tournament and won it, as did Pogba. One world class tournament isn't enough to be considered an all-time great.
The stuff about Pogba at City under Pep is an incredibly weird argument. Who the hell knows what would have happened.
Mentality weak as piss.
I think it's quite clear that there simply is broken trust between Sancho and EtH which likely wasn't the case with his other managers. When he came to United he reportedly was sick early on which made his start very complicated, but that's nothing anybody would blame on the manager. Ole than struggled to build Sancho into the side but probably it was clear to Sancho that he would have to find his place even if playing in positions he didn't like etc. Did he do well? Not so much... but still I can't remember Sancho and Ole complaining over each other. Even weird experiments like training sessions with Sancho as wing back clearly had the intention on Ole's behalf to get him into the team and I think Sancho appreciates that.
Rangnick also did use him and let him play and also here I can't remember personal complaints about each other.
If we look at Dortmund/Terzic, he was mocked a bit recently for Terzic publicly criticising him and why he wouldn't react like he did towards EtH for doing something similar. Instead after the match on the weekend Sancho was highly critical of his own performance despite scoring his first goal since his return to Dortmund.
So all in all it seems to me that Sancho doesn't have big issues with anybody as long as there is trust. And that (for whatever reason - I am pretty sure it was never made public and likely won't be for years) just doesn't exist between EtH and Sancho.
Disclaimer which always seems to be necessary when I post about this: I don't blame EtH for this or think he did something wrong. Maybe he did, but I just try to look at Sancho's perspective and try to understand why he acts towards EtH like he does.
His time under Ole was pretty short, so he probably just blames that period on his ear infection. He had a couple of hamstring problems under Rangnick, so he probably blames that time on those. He was fit under Ten Hag, starting games and swanning off at his leisure, meaning there's no external factors that can be blamed and as such the nearest authority figure gets it instead.