Scott McTominay

MadDogg · Mar 19, 2024

Rossa said:
His goal record this season is admittedly very good, but overall it's not that impressive - it's not quite Lampard levels. Last season, he had 1 goal in the PL in 24 matches. The season before 1 goal in the PL. He has 19 goals in the PL in total since 2016. Since 2016, he has 4 assists in the PL and - not brilliant stats, and when he contributes very little outside of this, he's basically not an entity in midfield.

Before this season he'd spent the previous 18 months playing mostly as a DM. Before that he'd spent most of his career here playing box-to-box, where he still tended to sit deeper than most players of that position (whether that was deliberate from the managers or him just not getting forward enough, I'm not sure).

When he actually got into goal scoring positions he's always looked one of the better finishers in the squad, which is what makes me confident that this isn't just some purple patch that he won't be able to maintain. He just rarely got into those positions, largely because he was playing a deeper position than he now is (especially the last two seasons). I criticise Scott for a lot of thing and I certainly don't want to see him starting many games, but if we're looking to keep him as an impact sub when we chasing a goal he could continue to be a good option.

Rossa · Mar 19, 2024

MadDogg said:
Before this season he'd spent the previous 18 months playing mostly as a DM. Before that he'd spent most of his career here playing box-to-box, where he still tended to sit deeper than most players of that position (whether that was deliberate from the managers or him just not getting forward enough, I'm not sure).

When he actually got into goal scoring positions he's always looked one of the better finishers in the squad, which is what makes me confident that this isn't just some purple patch that he won't be able to maintain. He just rarely got into those positions, largely because he was playing a deeper position than he now is (especially the last two seasons). I criticise Scott for a lot of thing and I certainly don't want to see him starting many games, but if we're looking to keep him as an impact sub when we chasing a goal he could continue to be a good option.

Did he really play as a DM? Wasn't that primarily Fred? Fred normally sat deeper than McTominay who roamed more forwards, or anywhere on the pitch. He did play deeper, but the way we are set up now, we have absolutely no midfield control, and he is a major issue why that is. He has played 247 matches for United, and he's not close to a level where he should be starting as many matches as he is.

The Corinthian · Mar 19, 2024

He's been very good for us this season, and I'm a big fan of his new role. I hope he stays (if he's happy with a squad role). He could see himself becoming the next academy cult hero a la Wes Brown, O'Shea, Fletch etc

lex talionis · Mar 19, 2024

The player Fellaini wishes he could have been.

tothetop96 · Mar 19, 2024

Rossa said:
His only season at United where he is scoring goals is this season. He's 27, so perhaps some historical context is needed. It's like saying Herrera scored goals as a midfielder because he had 6 goals in one season.

Across all seasons he averages a goal every 5.65 full games. That's pretty good for a midfielder, who, according to transfermarkt, has played 61% of his minutes as a defensive midfielder

MadDogg · Mar 19, 2024

Rossa said:
Did he really play as a DM? Wasn't that primarily Fred? Fred normally sat deeper than McTominay who roamed more forwards, or anywhere on the pitch. He did play deeper, but the way we are set up now, we have absolutely no midfield control, and he is a major issue why that is. He has played 247 matches for United, and he's not close to a level where he should be starting as many matches as he is.

Rangnick and then ETH (last season) swapped their positions so that McTominay was playing DM and Fred was further forward. It's why Fred suddenly started scoring and assisting a decent amount in his last 18 months here, and his general performances also became better and more consistent. After years of being played out of position he was finally used how he should have been all along.

Before that yes it was Fred that played more as the DM while Scott was more of a box-to-box. Scot didn't really do much with that that extra freedom though.

Rossa · Mar 19, 2024

MadDogg said:
Rangnick and then ETH (last season) swapped their positions so that McTominay was playing DM and Fred was further forward. It's why Fred suddenly started scoring and assisting a decent amount in his last 18 months here, and his general performances also became better and more consistent. After years of being played out of position he was finally used how he should have been all along.

Before that yes it was Fred that played more as the DM while Scott was more of a box-to-box. Scot didn't really do much with that that extra freedom though.

Yeah, if anything, Fred was misused at the club. I don't think he was ever a world beater, but he was better than many perceived him to be mainly because he was forced to play out of position so much. He was never a DM. He should never have been forced to play that position, so that left us with him out of position and McTominay in midfield who is almost a non entitiy there. It had to be a disaster, as it was. If Fred had played as an 8 with a little attacking freedom, he would have been remembered as a different player, even if he may have turned out to be not quite good enough.

Ayrlad39 · Mar 20, 2024

Crashoutcassius said:
Funniest thread. A load of people that thought they had an iron clad Scape goat, who keeps scoring, being a big player in important matches, and making them look foolish. He has had great moments in a united career that is more than half over. He connects with manager after manager. He is a squad player, just relax and accept it.

Correct he's now played under 5 different managers who rate him they can't all be wrong

tomaldinho1 · Mar 20, 2024

Why did he lose the Sir in his name? (And where did that even come from?) but maybe he should get it back given he’s becoming a legendary super sub/goal machine.

TheBatman · Mar 25, 2024

Manchester United have a lot to thank Steve Clarke and Scotland for. It was Steve Clarke who gave him license to get forward, and he rewarded Scotland with goals.

He brought that confidence (and goals) into his Manchester United career.

This thread tastes like humble pie. A lot of keyboard football experts with their nonsensical "McTominay hides from the ball" shtick are now looking very foolish.

Having watched the Netherlands vs Scotland match again.

Scott gave a really good performance against the Netherlands on Friday.

Scott (and Scotland) is going to surprise a lot of United fans when the Euros begin.

The midfield of Gilmour, McTominay, Mcginn (with Christie as a 10) more than held their own against the Dutch for 70 minutes.

Then the subs distrusted the rhythm.

I'm the first to admit that Scott was appalling for Scotland when he first started playing in midfield. That's why played in defence. But this season he has really grown and became a really massive player.

Bring on Germany.

James35 · Mar 25, 2024

A lot of love on here for McTominay, I was really hoping he’d be gone this summer to be honest. His goals haven’t changed my mind but it sounds like he may get a new deal.

We need to bring in better technical players and being a pure profit player I was factoring in his sale would boost our limited budget.

We’ll be lucky if we get any money for Donny who I see being loaned until his contract expires and then leaving on a free. Will anyone actually buy Sancho? Is it just Greenwood we are hoping brings us in decent money. Who else?

TheBatman · Mar 26, 2024

James35 said:
A lot of love on here for McTominay, I was really hoping he’d be gone this summer to be honest. His goals haven’t changed my mind but it sounds like he may get a new deal.

We need to bring in better technical players and being a pure profit player I was factoring in his sale would boost our limited budget.

We’ll be lucky if we get any money for Donny who I see being loaned until his contract expires and then leaving on a free. Will anyone actually buy Sancho? Is it just Greenwood we are hoping brings us in decent money. Who else?

I heard that Ratcliffe personally stepped in and identified Scott as the type of character United need. Apparently, it's going to be a 4 year deal and his wages will be doubled.

Even with his wages being doubled he'll still earn 1/3 of Sancho.

I know that McTominay isn't everyone's cup of tea (some of the comments on this thread are borderline insane) but character wise he was born to play for Manchester United.

If SAF was still in charge he'd adore Scott McTominay. We all know it.

There are players that you trust. Players that you want to be in the trenches with. Players you trust. And there's players that you don't.

McTominay is a manager's dream. He trains like a pro, he lives right, doesn't get into any trouble outside the park. He never complains.

Also, he's almost singlehandedly kept ten Hag in his job and we'd be 12th if it wasn't for his goals.

Scott McTominay deserves respect. He's a brilliant example and role model.

Ghirahim · Mar 26, 2024

TheBatman said:
I heard that Ratcliffe personally stepped in and identified Scott as the type of character United need. Apparently, it's going to be a 4 year deal and his wages will be doubled.

Even with his wages being doubled he'll still earn 1/3 of Sancho.

I know that McTominay isn't everyone's cup of tea (some of the comments on this thread are borderline insane) but character wise he was born to play for Manchester United.

If SAF was still in charge he'd adore Scott McTominay. We all know it.

There are players that you trust. Players that you want to be in the trenches with. Players you trust. And there's players that you don't.

McTominay is a manager's dream. He trains like a pro, he lives right, doesn't get into any trouble outside the park. He never complains.

Also, he's almost singlehandedly kept ten Hag in his job and we'd be 12th if it wasn't for his goals.

Scott McTominay deserves respect. He's a brilliant example and role model.

Mourinho liked him aswell. And I bet Hag does too. He's a decent squad player.

jem · Mar 26, 2024

TheBatman said:
I heard that Ratcliffe personally stepped in and identified Scott as the type of character United need. Apparently, it's going to be a 4 year deal and his wages will be doubled.

Even with his wages being doubled he'll still earn 1/3 of Sancho.

I know that McTominay isn't everyone's cup of tea (some of the comments on this thread are borderline insane) but character wise he was born to play for Manchester United.

If SAF was still in charge he'd adore Scott McTominay. We all know it.

There are players that you trust. Players that you want to be in the trenches with. Players you trust. And there's players that you don't.

McTominay is a manager's dream. He trains like a pro, he lives right, doesn't get into any trouble outside the park. He never complains.

Also, he's almost singlehandedly kept ten Hag in his job and we'd be 12th if it wasn't for his goals.

Scott McTominay deserves respect. He's a brilliant example and role model.

I've never bought into this line of reasoning unless you also say that maybe we would've won the games that McTominay, the ones in which he was diabolical. McTominay does deserve respect but I still don't think he's good enough for where we want to be.

Walters_19_MuFc · Mar 28, 2024

People already know how big a fan I am of McTominay, and I believe giving him a new contract is a no brainer.

He's not a big ego
Won't expect to start every game
Won't demand much in wages
Can come into the team to provide a goal threat, but also helps us out from a set-piece point of view
Versatile

He's what I would describe as a perfect squad player. Sign him up, INEOS!

Unam333 · Mar 28, 2024

Walters_19_MuFc said:
People already know how big a fan I am of McTominay, and I believe giving him a new contract is a no brainer.

He's not a big ego

Won't expect to start every game

Won't demand much in wages

Can come into the team to provide a goal threat, but also helps us out from a set-piece point of view

Versatile

He's what I would describe as a perfect squad player. Sign him up, INEOS!

Not a big fan myself, but you can't deny his contribution this season and last season in terms of goal output. A very useful squad player and I think we need to extend his contract.

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe · Mar 28, 2024

Walters_19_MuFc said:
People already know how big a fan I am of McTominay, and I believe giving him a new contract is a no brainer.

He's not a big ego

Won't expect to start every game

Won't demand much in wages

Can come into the team to provide a goal threat, but also helps us out from a set-piece point of view

Versatile

He's what I would describe as a perfect squad player. Sign him up, INEOS!

Unam333 said:
A very useful squad player and I think we need to extend his contract.

Surely this will be exactly the kind of player sale INEOS will be looking to greenlight to help with FFP? A player who is currently having an overperforming season (in terms of goals anyway) and who's transfer value will reach it's peak this summer, especially when factoring in his age.

We need to move towards selling players when the time is right, rather than hanging onto them until their valuation plummets. That's what all the top teams in Europe do.

Leethal · Mar 29, 2024

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Surely this will be exactly the kind of player sale INEOS will be looking to greenlight to help with FFP? A player who is currently having an overperforming season (in terms of goals anyway) and who's transfer value will reach it's peak this summer, especially when factoring in his age.

We need to move towards selling players when the time is right, rather than hanging onto them until their valuation plummets. That's what all the top teams in Europe do.

Our best teams always had “McTominays”. You won’t find a player of much higher caliber, who is loyal to the club, and is also happy to be a squad player whilst not demanding ridiculous wages.

We don’t win enough to be able to be blessed with that luxury; like City.

MadDogg · Mar 29, 2024

Leethal said:
Our best teams always had “McTominays”. You won’t find a player of much higher caliber, who is loyal to the club, and is also happy to be a squad player whilst not demanding ridiculous wages.

We don’t win enough to be able to be blessed with that luxury; like City.

All our previous players who people normally compare McTominay to were much better players.

The things that McTominay is good at are things that are nice additions to have in a midfield player. The issue is that he's below average at all the most important things that we need in a midfielder, so to gain those things that he's good at we have to play with a fairly significant weakness.

If we want to keep him purely as an option to bring on late when we're chasing a goal or to help defend from set pieces, that's one thing. But he can't be counted on to be one of our regular midfielders. And I'm not just talking about the starting midfield, he also has to be down the pecking order for our squad midfielders. He's simply not good enough to be first choice replacement in any of our midfield roles.

ash_86 · Mar 29, 2024

I would say he has improved quite a bit this season. His overall sense of the game has improved and he is arriving late into the box to cause havoc. He seems to play well for both club and country. I am happy to have him as a squad player.

led_scholes · Mar 29, 2024

He has become a useful super sub. If he has a good tournament with Scotland, surely his value can be around 45m. If so, we should look to sell.

Glorio · Mar 29, 2024

Useful supersub when you're throwing the kitchen sink and all forward due to his eye for goal.

However, it feels like McTominay's family have opened Caf accounts for a PR push.
Someone's on about him being the reason EtH kept his job due to his goals, I disagree, I think if we had options who could actually control the ball on the pitch starting instead, we wouldn't give up so much control in that many games.

izak · Mar 29, 2024

Never liked him and his goal this season would never change my mind,

We won't need his goals if we had better technical Midfielders who are great at controlling games and are excellent at providing line breaking passes consistently.

Let's say we have six Midfielders fighting for three spots, with each one being great at vision, Passing, being Press resistant, ball carrying, Intercepting play and tackling depending on the roles(6,8,10) we won't be sifted here Praising this dogshit of a Midfielder(McTominay)
For great Midfielders would be too busy creating play for the like of Rashford and co to hit goals in the 30 rang mark season by season.

And if those Midfielders chipped in with goals it would be beautiful goals(Long rangers) just look at Scholesy!!

McTominay is shit to me the early we get this sort of players out the team the better, if we want to challenge home and abroad, we need build a team that is more technically based with Pace to burn like we had in the 90s or early 20s.

Cantona’s Kung Fu Kick · Mar 29, 2024

Walters_19_MuFc said:
People already know how big a fan I am of McTominay, and I believe giving him a new contract is a no brainer.

He's not a big ego

Won't expect to start every game

Won't demand much in wages

Can come into the team to provide a goal threat, but also helps us out from a set-piece point of view

Versatile

He's what I would describe as a perfect squad player. Sign him up, INEOS!

Except of course he’s not a squad player, he’s a regular first choice midfielder. He has started and continues to start far too many games to be considered just a squad player. Therefore his quality or lack there of should be compared to other first choice starting midfielders.

Cantona’s Kung Fu Kick · Mar 29, 2024

Glorio said:
Useful supersub when you're throwing the kitchen sink and all forward due to his eye for goal.

However, it feels like McTominay's family have opened Caf accounts for a PR push.
Someone's on about him being the reason EtH kept his job due to his goals, I disagree, I think if we had options who could actually control the ball on the pitch starting instead, we wouldn't give up so much control in that many games.

I know you’d think he’d scored 20 odd goals and been performing like peak Bryan Robson the way some go on about him. When apparently he was available for transfer last summer all he attracted was one very half hearted big by that dinosaur Moyes. If he was half as effective as his fans on here make out then surly there would be clubs queuing up to take him, especially as he’s at his peak?

roonster09 · Mar 29, 2024

Cantona’s Kung Fu Kick said:
Except of course he’s not a squad player, he’s a regular first choice midfielder. He has started and continues to start far too many games to be considered just a squad player. Therefore his quality or lack there of should be compared to other first choice starting midfielders.

He starts because Casemiro was injured. Casemiro and Mainoo are first choice.

Remember the geese · Mar 29, 2024

Glorio said:
However, it feels like McTominay's family have opened Caf accounts for a PR push.

I know, right? I still want him gone.

Walters_19_MuFc · Mar 29, 2024

Cantona’s Kung Fu Kick said:
Except of course he’s not a squad player, he’s a regular first choice midfielder. He has started and continues to start far too many games to be considered just a squad player. Therefore his quality or lack there of should be compared to other first choice starting midfielders.

He's a regular first choice midfielder because 1) he's warranted a spot like Mainoo has, who very few people would have thought he'd have been this season 2) we've been plagued with injuries.

When all of our players are fit, I can't imagine McTominay would start as often as he has been doing this season. Having said that, if he's performing and do well, then why not? A squad player isn't there to just take up a place on the bench every week, but more so to push to get into the starting XI, and so if McTominay's performances warrant a starting spot, then so be it.

Remember the geese · Mar 29, 2024

Walters_19_MuFc said:
When all of our players are fit, I can't imagine McTominay would start as often as he has been doing this season. Having said that, if he's performing and do well, then why not?

If McTominay's performances warrant a starting spot, then we really are in a lot of trouble.

Marcus · Mar 29, 2024

I think he has certainty improved this season. Well worth a sensible contract for him to stay

DJ_21 · Mar 29, 2024

Remember the geese said:
If McTominay's performances warrant a starting spot, then we really are in a lot of trouble.

Nobody would expect him to start in a top team. But no one would have expected Ake to join a top team when he was at Bournemouth and now he’s starting every week at city. If a manager is good at his job and can improve an average player to play really good every week then he deserves to stay at the club and fight for places. He’s probably been one of our most consistent players recently to be fair.

Cantona’s Kung Fu Kick · Mar 29, 2024

Glorio said:
Useful supersub when you're throwing the kitchen sink and all forward due to his eye for goal.

However, it feels like McTominay's family have opened Caf accounts for a PR push.
Someone's on about him being the reason EtH kept his job due to his goals, I disagree, I think if we had options who could actually control the ball on the pitch starting instead, we wouldn't give up so much control in that many games.

I know you’d think he’d scored 20 odd goals and been performing like peak Bryan Robson the way some go on about him.

roonster09 said:
He starts because Casemiro was injured. Casemiro and Mainoo are first choice.

Well given that he’s been starting alongside both of those that’s simply not true. The guy is a first choice regular starter. Features far too often to be anything else.

Roboc7 · Mar 29, 2024

There is an absolutely no need to give him a new contract, it will just make him unsellable. He’s definitely been effective this season but he’s also been dreadful in loads of games as well.

It makes sense to keep him for another season because Casemiro, Eriksen and Amrabat all need to go but if we actually sort the midfield out there is very little use for him. He turns 28 this year so he’s going to want a big contract and it would be a mistake to give it to him.

Robbie Boy · Mar 30, 2024

DJ_21 said:
Nobody would expect him to start in a top team. But no one would have expected Ake to join a top team when he was at Bournemouth and now he’s starting every week at city. If a manager is good at his job and can improve an average player to play really good every week then he deserves to stay at the club and fight for places. He’s probably been one of our most consistent players recently to be fair.

This example isn't great. Ake was really highly rated as a youngster but left because he couldn't get a starting berth at Chelsea. He left to join Bournemouth and had 3 pretty decent seasons there. He then re-joined a big club at 24/25 years of age.

I don't even rate Ake, but he was genuinely a highly rated youngster. McT on the other hand was a not too highly rated youth prospect brought into our starting eleven in bizarre circumstances by Jose.

Scott has done amazing to get where he has though, there's no denying that.

tenpoless · Mar 30, 2024

He is the perfect squad player. And I'd keep him if its up to me.

tentan · Mar 30, 2024

Marcus said:
I think he has certainty improved this season. Well worth a sensible contract for him to stay

No. No more mistakes, he's an average player and has to leave.

izak · Mar 30, 2024

tenpoless said:
He is the perfect squad player. And I'd keep him if its up to me.

Keep him for what exactly?

Gore has to be taking his spot next season

TheBatman · Mar 30, 2024

Remember the geese said:
If McTominay's performances warrant a starting spot, then we really are in a lot of trouble.

Where have you been?

We've been in a lot of trouble since SAF left.

tentan said:
No. No more mistakes, he's an average player and has to leave.

An average player who is our top EPL scorer? What does that say about the rest of the team?

Stats say that without Scott's goals we'd be 12th. So a little bit of gratitude wouldn't go amiss.

For Scott's profile, he should be in thr running for Manchester United player of the year. People can dispute it if they like. Stats don't lie.

Scott McTominay has the profile of a Manchester United player. He supports the club. He loves the club. He trains like a pro. His conduct on the training park and outside the training park is exemplary.

He's a model professional and a good seed.

It wasn't that long ago we had the likes of Di Maria, Pogba, Morrison, Lingerie, etc. I'd rather have Scott McTominay than any of the aforementioned.

TheBatman · Mar 30, 2024

izak said:
Keep him for what exactly?

Gore has to be taking his spot next season

You'd swap a player who can't get into the Port Vale team for a player who has scored 15 goals for club and country this season?

OK.

izak · Mar 30, 2024

TheBatman said:
You'd swap a player who can't get into the Port Vale team for a player who has scored 15 goals for club and country this season?

OK.

Yes I would, I saw Gore play in pre season and he's a better Midfielder than Scott McTominay, he passes the eye test.

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