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I have to ask, what do you consider to be 'huge'?

Sterling is definitely topping the table at the club with a salary north of £300K a week, James earns something close to that and the likes of Nkunku, Chilwell, Enzo, Caicedo and sadly Cucurella and Fofana are all big earners too. That's already 8 players on what I peronally would consider to be huge money and I for one am absolutely not arguing against any of that.

I'm just saying after that bunch the drop off should be sizeable and the rest of the squad are on quite a bit less money. Isn't that kind of how it's supposed to be? You have your top earners who've either already proven themselves at the club or have been signed as marquee players to play a key role in the team, and then theres' the regular first teamers who still have lots to prove before being handed out bigger deals and also some youngsters who are just starting out and thus make a more modest salary.
Let’s be clear here your recent club reported wages of nearly £400m on a turnover of £512m is clearly un sustainable, there must be huge question marks how without European football this season you will pass any FFP/FSP rules. Last season you managed to have a revenue this big in the first place with a stadium of less than 40,000 fans solely because of a 1/4 final CL run, if we are deducting £40-50m this season on your Revenue line, it’s fair to assume your revenue will drop to £470-480m and you still have a similar wage bill of £397m and players tied on ridiculously long contracts you can’t get rid of.

As much as City might soon be about to have a reality check with their 115 charges, Chelsea plight might be even worse as they have already owned up to financial misdemeanours from the previous regime and their current management looks like a recipe for financial disaster

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pag.../articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html
 

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Well, you rambled on about United having a lower salary bill literally in the post I quoted. The fact our wages were indeed higher in 2023 and you being so adamant nothing's changed vis-à-vis the size of Chelsea's overall wage bill should make it pretty obvious you think it will still be the case next year as well?

As for the numbers, I've provided them with lots of context. Experienced senior professionals on UCL salaries being replaced by players who've barely played any first team football in their careers so far should make it pretty obvious they're largely not going to be on the same kind of contracts, with the exception being what I've described as the few 'marquee' players who make up for a smaller portion of the overall squad and who even I believe are on considerably higher salaries.



Does every other club also cut down their first team's squad size from 32+ first teamers to a more regular amount of players every year? Just business as usual for everyone, according to you?

Because that's what also happened and what you've been ignoring all along because you're so fecking hung up on what's been said about the high earners. In all my posts talking about the matter I've always pointed out I consider this year's smaller squad size to be the more deciding factor in total wages being lower. This part of the equation is not even something that is dependent on which source one chooses to believe for a certain player's salary etc. but just a cold hard fact.

As for cutting the 'high earners' part, that was exactly what happened at Arsenal a few years back btw. They got rid of a few top earners like Aubameyang, Willian and David Luiz in one go and went on to replace them with young players on lower wages and as a result their salary bill was trimmed by £30M+ between financial years 2021 and 2022. So it can definitely happen.



No idea because I'm not the one who posted it and that's not even the argument I've been making.

I've posted my reasons as to why I personally find it plausible to believe Palmer could be on around that kind of wages to start his career at the club with (+ possible incentives to increase it later into the deal) but without either of us actually seeing the contract there's no way we could actually know for certain. You have your opinion based on the context you're choosing to believe and I have mine.

By the way despite being asked you still haven't given any estimations on what kind of wages you believe Palmer is on if to you it's so unrealistic to believe he could be on around £80K or thereabout. The fact this issue seems like such an important hill for you to die on makes me think you must have a number in mind, so what is it?
By the way man united do have a lower wage bill than Chelsea significantly lower check the recent Deloitte list.

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pag.../articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html
 

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@Woziak do you get a "pay per click" bonus if I click on that link you keep posting over and over again?
Oops sorry however the United wage bs that we are paying more than anyone is annoying, the club has got its wage to revenue in a very good state right now like Spurs and Arsenal and therefore we are set up for a good transfer window, don’t believe the media BS that United will spend £70-100m again?
 

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Oops sorry however the United wage bs that we are paying more than anyone is annoying, the club has got its wage to revenue in a very good state right now like Spurs and Arsenal and therefore we are set up for a good transfer window, don’t believe the media BS that United will spend £70-100m again?
I'm only kidding.

I dont really care all that much about different clubs overall wage bill although I'm not surprised to see Chelsea high on the list, given the number of players.
 

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I'm only kidding.

I dont really care all that much about different clubs overall wage bill although I'm not surprised to see Chelsea high on the list, given the number of players.
My point is that they are in real trouble if the turnover is decreasing, lack of European Football and wages going up, the Chelsea business model is unsustainable and they must have bigger problems than Everton with EPL FSP, but like City we are not hearing of any sanctions, the small clubs are right one rule for them and one rule for the big 6 and that includes United!

Why should we be allowed to have a debt of £1 billion pounds and still spend £200-300m this summer, I say that as an avid United fan and I know this is wrong?
 

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By the way man united do have a lower wage bill than Chelsea significantly lower check the recent Deloitte list.

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pag.../articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html
I know and even said it in the post you quoted. Do you even read what you quote?

Let’s be clear here your recent club reported wages of nearly £400m on a turnover of £512m is clearly un sustainable, there must be huge question marks how without European football this season you will pass any FFP/FSP rules. Last season you managed to have a revenue this big in the first place with a stadium of less than 40,000 fans solely because of a 1/4 final CL run, if we are deducting £40-50m this season on your Revenue line, it’s fair to assume your revenue will drop to £470-480m and you still have a similar wage bill of £397m and players tied on ridiculously long contracts you can’t get rid of.

As much as City might soon be about to have a reality check with their 115 charges, Chelsea plight might be even worse as they have already owned up to financial misdemeanours from the previous regime and their current management looks like a recipe for financial disaster

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pag.../articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html
Again, I know. Apparently Deloitte's total figure included Tuchel and Potter's pay-offs within the salary bracket and a highly credible analyst Swiss Ramble had the total as £360M without said pay-offs. I know full well even that is still a high and unsustainable figure and without European revenues things will get a bit tricky, you don't have to lecture me about that.

Read the last few pages of this thread for reasons as to why I personally firmly think the salary bill won't be at the £400M mark anymore, let alone be going even higher like you suggested to duffer. This year there hasn't been an unusually high amount of mid-season manager severances and club are further into the squad overhaul process anyways. Revenues will be lower due to no UCL but the salaries will be lower as well.

I'm fully expecting the club to be in some hot waters with FFP/PSR rules within the next 1-2 years but at the same time I'm also of the opinion many of, though not all, the required corrective measures have already been taken. We'll see how it goes.
 

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I know and even said it in the post you quoted. Do you even read what you quote?



Again, I know. Apparently Deloitte's total figure included Tuchel and Potter's pay-offs within the salary bracket and a highly credible analyst Swiss Ramble had the total as £360M without said pay-offs. I know full well even that is still a high and unsustainable figure and without European revenues things will get a bit tricky, you don't have to lecture me about that.

Read the last few pages of this thread for reasons as to why I personally firmly think the salary bill won't be at the £400M mark anymore, let alone be going even higher like you suggested to duffer. This year there hasn't been an unusually high amount of mid-season manager severances and club are further into the squad overhaul process anyways. Revenues will be lower due to no UCL but the salaries will be lower as well.

I'm fully expecting the club to be in some hot waters with FFP/PSR rules within the next 1-2 years but at the same time I'm also of the opinion many of, though not all, the required corrective measures have already been taken. We'll see how it goes.
It’s not about the wages going higher, I fully understand the two pay offs my point that £400m point was exonerated by the increase in revenue due to 1/4 CL finish last year.

This year it’s far more serious the club must have lost at least £40/50m in turnover so even if your wages are £360m then you revenue will be no more than £460m so you are still trading at 79% which is unsustainable, Boehly tried to manipulate the system with 7 year contracts which UEFA quickly combatted.

Spurs are your nearest and most hated neighbours, their model is utopia compared to Chelsea.

Their revenue has grown 20% year on year their state of art stadium generates £50m more and rising than Stamford Bridge, their turnover will soon be £100m more than Chelsea’s whilst wages are kept at 46% and they are currently far superior team/squad whilst you have an inferior coach that they sacked.

Only four years ago before covid affected match day revenues, Chelsea would never have envisaged Arsenal let alone spurs would be able to outmuscle them in the transfer market, but this summer both can easily, not because they have more money in the bank but because they’ve both been run more prudently.

You must as a Chelsea fan be increasingly concerned at Todd Boehly financial running of the club, I say this as a United fan who only has empathy with any fan of an EPL team that has to endure the ownership of American baseball or NFL football owner thinking they can buy success in English Football, constantly over spend and then eventually nearly bring great clubs to near bankruptcy whilst openly floundering the current FSP/FFP rules and then have the audacity to talk about a North vs South All Stars Soccer Game at the end of the season.
 

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Well, you rambled on about United having a lower salary bill literally in the post I quoted. The fact our wages were indeed higher in 2023 and you being so adamant nothing's changed vis-à-vis the size of Chelsea's overall wage bill should make it pretty obvious you think it will still be the case next year as well?

As for the numbers, I've provided them with lots of context. Experienced senior professionals on UCL salaries being replaced by players who've barely played any first team football in their careers so far should make it pretty obvious they're largely not going to be on the same kind of contracts, with the exception being what I've described as the few 'marquee' players who make up for a smaller portion of the overall squad and who even I believe are on considerably higher salaries.
Then you should read, understand and then reply instead of just banging keyboard with more nonsense. I said Chelsea have bigger wage bill than ManUtd, not Chelsea will have. Hard to understand? I'm posting facts, not pulling numbers out of arse like you did.

All the context, this, that nonsense we see every year for every club, I don't know what Chelsea wage bill will be, all I know is they have spent shit loads and we have to wait and see how big their wage bill is when they publish their financial repot.

I didn't say nothing has changed, I said Liverpool and now Chelsea do this PR nonsense and the total wage bill doesn't tally with what these journalists report. All I said is, I will only go by total wage bill that is reported in official financial report. It's really not hard to understand.


Does every other club also cut down their first team's squad size from 32+ first teamers to a more regular amount of players every year? Just business as usual for everyone, according to you?

Because that's what also happened and what you've been ignoring all along because you're so fecking hung up on what's been said about the high earners. In all my posts talking about the matter I've always pointed out I consider this year's smaller squad size to be the more deciding factor in total wages being lower. This part of the equation is not even something that is dependent on which source one chooses to believe for a certain player's salary etc. but just a cold hard fact.

As for cutting the 'high earners' part, that was exactly what happened at Arsenal a few years back btw. They got rid of a few top earners like Aubameyang, Willian and David Luiz in one go and went on to replace them with young players on lower wages and as a result their salary bill was trimmed by £30M+ between financial years 2021 and 2022. So it can definitely happen.
I gave you the example of the post I made 10 years ago, we had highest wage bill, we sold lot of high earners and signed relatively youngish players who were all reported to be on modest wages. When I did the calculation, out wage bill should have been lowered by 40 million but all I saw was it was growing every year.

Even going your point, you offloaded high earners, signed lot of players on relatively lower wages, brought down the squad size to smaller number, so all should add up to way smaller wage bill. When you said your wage bill will be around 330-340 million, that is when I said this doesn't add up as you are saying your replacement players are on smaller wage. That's when I said lets see how much is reported by Chelsea.


No idea because I'm not the one who posted it and that's not even the argument I've been making.

I've posted my reasons as to why I personally find it plausible to believe Palmer could be on around that kind of wages to start his career at the club with (+ possible incentives to increase it later into the deal) but without either of us actually seeing the contract there's no way we could actually know for certain. You have your opinion based on the context you're choosing to believe and I have mine.

By the way despite being asked you still haven't given any estimations on what kind of wages you believe Palmer is on if to you it's so unrealistic to believe he could be on around £80K or thereabout. The fact this issue seems like such an important hill for you to die on makes me think you must have a number in mind, so what is it?
I don't know and I don't guess. I will search for reliable journalist reporting wages, if it's not there then I won't make up any number. It's not really that hard, we don't have to guess every player's wage and try to sugar coat by saying how awesome your recruitment team is.

Player wages are usually relatively compared, so player who are way poorer than him are on high wages, so my assumption was 80K is unrealistic. If it's 80k base wage then it's believable as that would take his wage to 120-150k range.

Just to put it even simpler, I have seen fans doing this mental math every year and I have been guilty of that too. The numbers they come up with and the official numbers won't be even close. If you can guess the number then fair enough, right now I will take all this "our incentive contract" with pinch of salt. Lets see what Chelsea reports.
 

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Oops sorry however the United wage bs that we are paying more than anyone is annoying, the club has got its wage to revenue in a very good state right now like Spurs and Arsenal and therefore we are set up for a good transfer window, don’t believe the media BS that United will spend £70-100m again?
Even the total wage is lower than City, Liverpool, Chelsea If I'm not wrong.

Somehow all our players are on 250K+, Liverpool and Chelsea players are on 100-150K but total wage bill is always closer or even higher than us. If only people take the wages with pinch of salt and relied on the total wage reported by the club.

Who cares about that as long as shit sites like Sportac, Sportkeeda and some other crap sites gives what they want.

Also it will help if people actually care to read the leaked contracts, shows how the wages are structured and how club uses journalists to spread their narrative.
 

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Shame his contract is so long, else it might have been worth going in for him in the summer.
 

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I must admit, at the start of the season if I was told the Cole Palmer thread would trigger meltdowns based on wage bills and Marks and Spencers amongst other things I can't say I'd have believed it.
 

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I must admit, at the start of the season if I was told the Cole Palmer thread would trigger meltdowns based on wage bills and Marks and Spencers amongst other things I can't say I'd have believed it.
Blame @duffer! It's otherwise been very glowing with regards to Palmer's performances, overall.
 

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Has to be the transfer of the season in the PL?

Silky technique, always knows where his teammates are and a clinical finisher. Annoyingly good!
 

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6 months later and it already looks like bloody good business.
You could see glimpses of it when he got on the pitch at City. He always looked confident and assured but he has exploded at Chelsea.

His mentality has been key to it, hasn’t it? He looks so mature and composed and is thriving as Chelsea’s key man.
 

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Has to be the transfer of the season in the PL?

Silky technique, always knows where his teammates are and a clinical finisher. Annoyingly good!
Value transfer of the season? He has an edge over Kudus for now. Transfer of the season? A bit too early to say at this stage.
 

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Value transfer of the season? He has an edge over Kudus for now. Transfer of the season? A bit too early to say at this stage.
Palmer EUR 47M
Kudus EUR 43M

Really? How is Kudus in this conversation?
 

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Chelsea would be in a relegation battle without him. He's carrying hard.

 

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Boyhood United fan. Brexit Jim is a huge fan I'd bet. Needs to bring him home.
 

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Needs to go to the Euros for Penalty taking ability alone.

He's a good player in general though, says a lot about him that in such a terrible season for Chelsea he's stayed professional and played so well.
 

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Bit more belief and he’d be starting a title decider tomorrow
He got 2 PL starts last season. Players need game time to flourish and iron out mistakes. There’s no telling 1. How much of that he would’ve got this season if he stayed (honestly probably very similar numbers), and 2. That he would’ve actually progressed in the manner he has this season in such conditions.
 

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Nah, he wouldn’t. Pep too stubborn and full of himself
He still lacks lot of defensive qualities. That is why Pep wouldn't play him and why he is at Chelsea and not in top teams.

Technically good and looks like player that scores goals/assists so credit to him in that sense.
 

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Nah it was pretty decent tbh
When he gets something wrong you’ll never find him in the thread again. When he gets something right he’s got 700 posts in a thread and he’s like you Chelsea fans never listen to me I tried to tell you bla bla :lol:
 

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It’s gonna be annoying when he goes back to City
 

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He still lacks lot of defensive qualities. That is why Pep wouldn't play him and why he is at Chelsea and not in top teams.

Technically good and looks like player that scores goals/assists so credit to him in that sense.
Couldn't be more off the mark. He's by some distance a better defender than Foden - both due to his height and diligence tracking back
 

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Said it time and time again, I think he’s brilliant.

I actually think he’s better than Foden.