Since our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2. 
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Are you suggesting there's no such thing as an easier cup draw?
And we know how seriously City take that particular trophy.
I'm surprised to hear that it's positive.Since our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
But we're supposed to believe this is a good system that just needs the right players to make it work.
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Never answer a question with a question.
We had about the same tactics and line-up as against Liverpool, yet the performance was completely different. We didn‘t win our duels and turned over the ball constantly. We did not have any creativity or purpose in our attacks.
It‘s the performance that is to blame, not the tactics.
Our base level needs to go up to be able to get through off-games like this. It‘s Ten Hag‘s job to get them to stop turning over the ball so much and keep our composure after grabbing a lead.
A few more performances like this and Ten Hag will not be here next season.
It‘s the performance that is to blame, not the tactics.
Our base level needs to go up to be able to get through off-games like this. It‘s Ten Hag‘s job to get them to stop turning over the ball so much and keep our composure after grabbing a lead.
A few more performances like this and Ten Hag will not be here next season.
Are we tied to this stupid fecking Glazer contract thing where we can only sack them when they can’t meet key performance metrics? (i.e. as soon as CL is not attainable, the severance goes down dramatically?).
I hope that shit ends with INEOS and be more ruthless. Sack managers for shite performances and bad results, and not some bullshit preordained KPI thing. It truly does sound like it’s the practice of some corporate company rather than a competitive sporting entity, a reoccurring theme under the Glazers.
I hope that shit ends with INEOS and be more ruthless. Sack managers for shite performances and bad results, and not some bullshit preordained KPI thing. It truly does sound like it’s the practice of some corporate company rather than a competitive sporting entity, a reoccurring theme under the Glazers.
I wasn't answering a question.
The team that's won 6 of the last 11?
It’s patheticSince our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
I thought it would be in negative, so not badSince our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
Simply unacceptable.Since our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
MiserableSince our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
This is because ETH is so clueless he doesn’t know when the team goes 1 or 2 nil up how to suffocate and close out the opposition which allows you to pick them off 3 and 4 later in the game when the opposition tire, players like Garnaucho, Amad, Rashford could be used far more effectively in the last 20/30 minutes of matches but Mount left wing for a bit us a solid idea as he works hard at least for the team?
I dont think it's as simple as what "he" wants. He has said that the style of the club synced with the people running the club was to be direct and fast in transitions. He said he didn't have the players for the Ajax style (which is actually true to be fair).
He wants us to have quick turnovers high up the pitch, direct play and ultimately high risk high reward attacks. The problem is two fold, his squad isn't suited to do it effectively, and even if he did have a whole squad of his own I'm not completely sure whether that can fly in the Premier League.
Sure, Martial was the reason. That's exactly what I said. Let's just move on because it's clear you're purposely being obtuse.
My point about Boehly and the circus was nothing to do with ten hag whatsoever.
The morning after the night before.
It was utterly woeful.. the worst form team of the top 5 leagues dominated us for 75 straight minutes. The football has been pathetic for nearly a year, conceding the same amount of shots as the two worst teams in the league.. it’s just simply unacceptable.
I’d be more than open to seeing how ETH does under the new regime if we had an identity and a clear style of play but it’s been nearly two seasons now and absolutely nothing has changed. I get there’s been injuries and off the pitch problems but the form of this team over the past year is inexcusable.
For the first time I’m firmly ETH out.
It was utterly woeful.. the worst form team of the top 5 leagues dominated us for 75 straight minutes. The football has been pathetic for nearly a year, conceding the same amount of shots as the two worst teams in the league.. it’s just simply unacceptable.
I’d be more than open to seeing how ETH does under the new regime if we had an identity and a clear style of play but it’s been nearly two seasons now and absolutely nothing has changed. I get there’s been injuries and off the pitch problems but the form of this team over the past year is inexcusable.
For the first time I’m firmly ETH out.
Hopefully we announce he is sacked this week, he can see out the season but we should announce it now.
Will maybe boost morale a bit.
Will maybe boost morale a bit.
The people who are defending ETH are just defending the indefensible. We play very poor footy under him it’s hard to watch a United team continually playing so badly. It makes the eyes bleed. 1 thing for sure ETH like basically every one at the club is under far bigger scrutiny under the new owners / leadership team than before. He’s failing miserably. He may see out the season but that’s it hes done. Any takeover involves a review. Thats business. Who’s next is interesting.
What are the WDL Numbers?Since our League Cup win we've played 43 PL Games and our GD is +2.
Then what do you mean by reshaping the squad. He signed the players, then he didn't sell one player he wanted to and then couldn't sign couple of players after finishing second, somehow his fans justify that for him being so shit.
Not a single manager apart from Moyes can say they weren't backed.
I was pointing out United has been a circus aswell. I get you were making a different point, what’s wrong with me adding to it?
Seems like you are in attack mode dude, I wasn’t having a go at you.
I wish he would drop Bruno and Rashford for the next game now with Mount and Amad available.
Our good to bad performance ratio is kinda 50/50 this season. When Bruno and Rashford play well, or at least one of them, we look good. When they are bad, they are really really bad and they drag the whole team down with them.
It's absolutely madness that we built our entire team around a sort of winger-sort of striker who is notoriously lazy and sulky and a midfielder who runs a lot and has a killer pass in him, but can't keep the ball in his feet for more than 3 seconds.
It's not sustainable.
Again - players like Mount, Amad, even Eriksen can easily be used in Bruno' position and offer us something different. Ironically, Amad and Mount can be used in Rashford's position too.
Next game I'm dying to see:
Onana
Dalot - Licha - Harry - AWB
Case - Mainoo
Antony - Mount - Amad
Hojlund
Antony is prone to a bright start, and he usually fades. So bring Garnacho on for him in second half.
I'm convinced this team will produce great performance.
Our good to bad performance ratio is kinda 50/50 this season. When Bruno and Rashford play well, or at least one of them, we look good. When they are bad, they are really really bad and they drag the whole team down with them.
It's absolutely madness that we built our entire team around a sort of winger-sort of striker who is notoriously lazy and sulky and a midfielder who runs a lot and has a killer pass in him, but can't keep the ball in his feet for more than 3 seconds.
It's not sustainable.
Again - players like Mount, Amad, even Eriksen can easily be used in Bruno' position and offer us something different. Ironically, Amad and Mount can be used in Rashford's position too.
Next game I'm dying to see:
Onana
Dalot - Licha - Harry - AWB
Case - Mainoo
Antony - Mount - Amad
Hojlund
Antony is prone to a bright start, and he usually fades. So bring Garnacho on for him in second half.
I'm convinced this team will produce great performance.
He didn't have players to play Ajax style, signed players for almost all positions and still ended up with worse playing style than Burnley.
Only at ManUtd fans gives this excuse. There are managers who implement their style so quickly but you would think we have bunch of accountants and plumbers playing for us and somehow manager can't play his style of football.
Whatever about Jose being toxic , he was a serial winner before United. As toxic as he can be , He won the league with Chelsea barely a year before joining us. We are a blotch on his record , not the other way around.
United is a basket case of a club since 2013. A disaster for players and managers. We are a graveyard for football careers. I can’t understand how people can somehow think the problem has been mostly that we just pick the wrong managers.
We dump managers into a sh*t hole and throw stupid money on top of that sh*thole and then fans wonder why the managers teams start smelling when the sh*thole was never really fixed.
The virus Jose who has actually been proven right about Pogba, Rashford and to an extent Shaw?
Then Rangnick: spoke a lot of truths and has also since been proven right.
This job is cursed when there's players who are playing regardless of how bad they are and it's been happening pre Ten Hag.
Nowhere near 50% of our performances have been 'good'.
If Jose was picked by big club or successful after ManUtd i would have agreed with you. But no, he was washed up, just like players, managers also decline or left behind.
Chelsea got the last good bit and we got washed up one.
He was dumpster diving for a lot of these signings and a few of his signings this season have been injury struck. That said, his football has been shite.
Proven right about what?
Only thing he has proved right is, he isn't good enough anymore.
Rashford, Shaw won our player of season 3-4 times after Jose was sacked, so he didn't prove anything right. It's just that Rashford dropped off after very good season, Shaw is injured now when he was one of best player when fit.
When talking about these players, you should also mention that he wanted Willian, Dier, Rose to replace these players, so yeah he proved nothing.
I've noticed he has started using words like "spirit", "desire" and "passion" a lot more in interviews recently. Definitely feels like he has abandoned all hope of ever implementing a similar style of play to what we saw at Ajax. What is it about this club that just seems to destroy managers?!
In comparison to ten hags cup draws, yes Ole had incredibly hard cup draws.
ETH has been drawn away once against a fellow PL side for example. Ole played 9 away ties against fellow PL sides in the domestic cups.
In the three domestic cup semis Ole reached he faced City/City/Chelsea. ETH has faced notts forest/Brighton/Coventry.
Ole was unlucky with cup draws ETH so far has been incredibly lucky.
Cups are heavily based on luck of the draw. But despite Oles bad luck with draws he actually had a pretty admirable record in the domestic cups, 2 FA cup Q/F exits both away against PL sides/ 2 league cup semi exits against City 1 fa cup semi exits against Chelsea and the only genuine disappointment losing in the 3rd round of the league cup at home to PL west ham.
ETH has done well in the cups but let's not kis ourselves that he has had incredibly lucky draws.
Signing are poor
Playing style is shit
We don't score goals, scored less than Luton
Only 3 clubs have conceded more shots than us.
Goal difference is 0 after 29 games
Most embarassing defeats like 7-0, 6-2 and many more
Bottom of CL group which was just poor group.
What exactly did he improve.
His first season was so promising, now it's just terrible. Only thing I can praise him for is the way he introduced Mainoo. Many might have hesitated as it's a CM position.
We played better under Ole, may be under-achieved with results at key points but we have to remember all that this manager has won is the Carabao cup. Ole got us to several finals and semifinals. I am not saying we should have kept Ole but I am also saying if we did not keep him why then shoulld we even give ETH more time?
Our best football since SirAlex was under Ole during the lockdown
We are devoid of ideas and our football is just crap. This Ten Hag ball is like a unicorn or building castle in the air.
How is that "actually true"? "To be fair"?
He literally brought two of his Ajax starters with him for, what, 150m. Add Onana for another 50m. Eriksen, Ajax youth product.That is 4 literal Ajax players in a potential starting eleven.
Are Shaw, Martial, Sancho, Varane unable to play the Ajax style? Casemiro? Maguire, whose main selling point was that he is good on the ball? *cough* Donny van de fecking Beek? Mason Mount who excelled under Tuchel, whose Chelsea setup van Gaal himself praised as exemplary? Malacia, Amrabat?
Am I supposed to believe that Bruno and Marcus Rashford are not suitable to play the 'Ajax style' when Dusan Tadic and Armin Younes are?
People need to get the feck out with this stupid, stupid line of argument.
Somehow people have turned those words into negative thing but you need all of that to implement any style of play.
He doesn't have the personality to inspire such things in these players. Which is part of the problem.