Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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You certainly don’t engage with positivity when trying to antagonise when we score instead of just enjoying the goals for what they are.
we all want United to win that’s obvious, it’s just funny to see you get so worked up after trying to antagonise just minutes before
Correct. I mean I watched Garnacho break 70 yards, win a corner, and then 10 seconds later track back 70 yards full pelt to mark a free man on the counter. And this just repeats over and over again but people are shocked that we are super susceptible to muscle injuries and run out of gas later in games.
It really reminds me of that Leeds/Bielsa style from a few years ago. Just suicide ball, with man marking everywhere and endless end to end action. It's great if your Leeds and just want to stay up and entertain fans, but it's maddening when you're United where Top 4 should be a given and you want to challenge the best teams in the biggest competitions.
Nothing more needs to be said. Look at the teams conceding more/less shots then look at their respective positions in the table.
This is indefensible. It didn't need data to be so as even in preseason the concerns were evidenced in this thread and others, but they rubberstamp everything that has been said.
To make no adjustments to address the situation is dumbfounding.
I wouldn’t even put it on the back 4 at this point. He’s going to get sacked because he’s trying to ride it out playing the way he envisioned but the players can’t do it. I seem to be the only alarmed that the way he wants to play is more or less how most managers at big clubs are expected to play, so unless they actually do appoint Southgate, the same things will be expected from these players by the next manager. The only way that happens is if INEOS look at how Arsenal handled Aubameyang (there was nothing unusual about it btw) and start to build new standards that way.
No they aren't. In fact, many are expected to play quite a bit different
People comparing this to other managers post-SAF are wide off the mark.
We have never been this bad before. We are a terrible footballing side.
13th in xPTs. We've conceded the most or 2nd most shots in the league.
It's unreal how bad ETH's management has been this season.
We have never been this bad before. We are a terrible footballing side.
13th in xPTs. We've conceded the most or 2nd most shots in the league.
It's unreal how bad ETH's management has been this season.
What's his latest ?
On reflection you’re right. If I didn’t post what I did then I wouldn’t have had any response back.
@Dr. Dwayne we’re good. I was nudging people one way so it was going to come back at some point. The timing was what felt worse.
Dont poke and not expect to be poked back. Lesson learnt.
Truth be told it’s exhausting being the one to fact check, contextualise and explain where some criticism is unwarranted or misleading.
I’ve mad a concerted effort to try and add some positivity to this part of the forum and I’m not sure anyone really wants that and I think it’s just making me miserable to try and combat it.
To be clear I’m not a Ten Hag fanatic and I’m certainly not paid by him. I genuinely wanted to introduce some positives, acknowledge context and at least let him be blamed for things in his control.
Enjoy
I don't know how you can blame the players for a system even AI and computer simulations would reject as unworkable.
They running for this guy and trying to bridge massive spaces. It is not workable with this squad and should have been binned 5* over this season.
Liverpool will be out for blood; they won't entertain another basketball game, but we'll go out there and provide them with the conditions to thrive anyway, then the players will be blamed moreso than the manager.
I think you blame him for us being involved in five 4-3 matches
We’re lost, most of the dressing room will know he’s probably dead man walking and the mentality of this lot is they just want their summer holidays, some like Rashford doesn’t even want to play in the Euros and more importantly don’t deserve to, Both Cole Palmer and Antony Gordon should be in the 23/26 man squad over Rashford.
His subs are atrocious. No need to take of our two goal golden boy to bring on grim face rashford. Sends the wrong message.
All good, I don’t think the way we’re playing is making anyone happy
What did Garnacho’s part in the opening goal remind you of? Fine, sack the manager it’s inevitable at this point, and I’m not saying we should sell Garnacho, but that sort of thing has now become acceptable at this club and it was that way before Ten Hag was appointed. If you know the soul of this club, you should be heartbroken by things like that. Managers for the most part come and go, but Garnacho after he lost the ball for the first goal is a microcosm of what’s wrong with this club. There are three standard bearer clubs in the Premier League at the moment, and that doesn’t happen there. I don’t have to tell you how quickly that would get stamped out when we were the standard bearers in the Premier League
Log off and go to bedFor fecks sake man Garnacho came off in the 86th minutes because his legs were gone and Mount was effective. At least pay attention.
Liverpool game is going to be grim.
This bollocks started at the beginning of the season when Wolves kept cutting us open straight through the middle. We simply have adopted - for some mystical reason - suicidal footballing tactics.
We are still Moments FC. I really thought ETH was the manager for us when he joined. Thought he had us on to something up until March last year. Since then it’s gone from bad to worse to something even worse. This season is fecking depressing.
This bollocks started at the beginning of the season when Wolves kept cutting us open straight through the middle. We simply have adopted - for some mystical reason - suicidal footballing tactics.
We are still Moments FC. I really thought ETH was the manager for us when he joined. Thought he had us on to something up until March last year. Since then it’s gone from bad to worse to something even worse. This season is fecking depressing.
Maybe he can announce he is leaving at the end of the season and hope for a manager leaving bounce.
At this point I would be surprised if someone is still defending ETH.
Fully agree!
Wrong. Watch City, Arsenal and Liverpool. They work their socks off to close down gaps in the midfield, they’re disciplined in their position and most importantly of all, their counter press is organized and tireless. Thats the basics of modern progressive football. If you want to say Ten Hag should have realized this ain’t happening, I’m right there with you, but you’re dead wrong if you think the next manager won’t want to do the same things, unless of course it’s Southgate.
We've replaced like 3/4 of the team since Rangnick was at the club?
There's more than two managers out there. I doubt either of those names are real possibilities. Ten Hag is done, I don't see INEOS risking another season of this shite.
But how many managers do we need to fail under before you accept the problem is deeper than just one individual? It can be both. I don't think he's the right manager and I don't think a lot of these players have the right mentality. Both can be true.
It's pretty clear that ETH has to be relieved of duty at season's end, although I his replacement better be up to the job, but I don't know that we can pin this one on him. We can go back in time and catalog all the errors in his management that results in the correct conclusion he must not be allowed back at OT after the final whistle this season but tonight it was a combination of simple mistakes by players and horrifying referee decisions that handed the chavs three points they did not deserve.
What is this the 50th game we can't see through this season. We cannot control anything in a football match these days. Terrible manager
Hahahahahaha Amen!
I’m not sure any United manager could survive losing 13 games in the league. So whatever you may think of EtH I can’t see INEOS keeping him this summer.
Late on in the game tonight the cameras cut to EtH and he was clearing saying “keep the ball” but this squad just shows a total lack of game management.
So I hope a lot of the players are not given another clean slate when the inevitable manager change is made.
Late on in the game tonight the cameras cut to EtH and he was clearing saying “keep the ball” but this squad just shows a total lack of game management.
So I hope a lot of the players are not given another clean slate when the inevitable manager change is made.
We've practically done that already. Turns out building a top team takes more than just selling a load of players and buying a load more. Just ask Chelsea how their drastic rebuild is going.
I think that’s fair we mostly don’t play well. We’ve had some good performances though with ETH. It’s crazy how big a difference in feeling there is between the Liverpool match and tonight. We go from massive highs to equal lows within a few weeks.
Typo. I meant taking off Garnacho when match was still not over further reduced our threat, and bringing on Rashford for Hujland early in the 2nd half basically took us down to 10 men.
The worst manager we've had post-SAF.
Not even Moyes or Ole were this bad.
There were people on here defending us conceding loads of shots every game too.
Can’t just look at Chelsea and say, let’s never sign numerous players in a window because it didn’t work for them.
The one thing that is abundantly clear is we aren’t winning any major trophy (league/Europe) with this bunch of cowards. Plenty of them need shipping out before the culture begins to change. You don’t remove some mice from a house and hope the rest behave themselves. You get rid of them all. I’d also like to point out I don’t have any mice in my house, I swear!
He's the worst manager I've ever seen at a big club. Negative goal difference. Record shots against, not enough goals, countless embarrassing defeats. The fact there's no movement to get this man out the door asap suggests we deserve what we get
Why is he still employed? Shouldn’t even be a lingering doubt from Ratcliffe and the rest that he simply cannot be our manager next season.
But we aren't disciplined in position and our counter press isn't organized, while we care far less about prioritizing our possession as well instead going incredibly vertical to the point where we wear down our attackers by the 60th minute of every game because we refuse to ever attempt to exert control. On top of that we man mark every thing out of possession creating endless gaps and spaces across the midfield
Yes we try to press high like the best sides do. But our overall play is far more equivalent to a Bielsa Leeds style than it is Arteta/Klopp/Pep. And I don't feel like having the player argument when many of these players are those that Ten Hag has built around or brought in.
Whilst he can’t be directly blamed for Dalot tripping an attacker or no one closing down Chelsea’s star player from a corner, I thought he went too defensive in the last 15 minutes. We seemed to go from a 4-3-3 to a 4-5-1 and most of our threat on the break vanished. I’d have moved Bruno to the false 9 position and played Rashford left, giving us more of a direct counter-threat.
Our players also seemed a bit confused. We had Mount, Rashford and Mainoo trying to keep the ball and play possession but others seemed to still be trying to drive forwards. Felt likely to be a failure to properly communicate instructions.
There isn’t a number. All they can do is cry bloody murder with not an ounce of understanding of what’s been done to this club. Managers get sacked, so will Ten Hag, but the long term damage the Glazers have done to this wonderful club is absolutely heartbreaking. I wish I was too ignorant to see it.