I don't find it snotty just jaded an full of shi..... lets agree to disagree, maybe revisit this next season when hopefully ETH is a distant bad memory, but it certainly won't be to celebrate 2nd place in the league, I hope you are right but seriously
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Yes absolutely. It is working wonders for Chelsea.
Melissa Reddy was saying on sky sports news last week that there's groups of players that had a PR campaign to get rid of him, or something to that effect. Not sure if all of the players or just a small group.
But nevertheless, I don't think the players that did that previously are still here or have the clout. And another thing to consider is that they actually don't need to do that anymore as Ineos are meeting with the players individually and I'm sure they are asked the questions at that time, so no need to go public anymore.
Well bitten!
Your points about how we set up last season are spot on imo, and it being closer to how Solskjær set up than how TH set up either Ajax, Bayern B or Utrecht points to it being neither stubborn nor one dimensional, but pragmatic as to the players available and what they were comfortable with. You point out improved play out the back (Licha and Shaw important, and in spite of DDG limitations), and I would add improved amount and quality of high pressing, which statistically were much better than anything Solskjær and Rangnik tried in that department. With this, Ten Hag delivered slightly above metrics, I agree, but even the metrics were the best since Mourinho’s one high point season, ie our second best season after Ferguson.
What seems to me the difficulty for many this season, is to conclude what is the difference between this and last season in terms of manager input. Most of the suggested suspects don’t seem likely over time: Tactical limitations? He’s shown a great variety in tactics previously. Stubbornness? He’s demonstrated pragmatism clearly. Sacrificing his ideal play style? While simultaneously accusing him of being tactically stubborn? Not suited for PL? Then how to explain the quick adaptation first season? Lacking in carisma? Yet the players seem to be fighting still, after a season of critique and ridicule.
I don’t know what has led to the disappointing performances this season, apart from going a preseason trying to take a huge step towards a more attacking and higher risk higher reward structure and having it blow up in your face in the wake of 43 first elevens in 46 games or what it is, trying to compromise for results while not going 180 degrees back to Solskjær, still playing most games with Solskjær players pluss three kids. I think he must have made mistakes in preseason, with workload, with tactical strategy in handling a Plan C scenario. What I am not so sure about, is that this season has told us much about Ten Hag’s limitations under normal circumstances, able to operate with Plan A’s and B’s most of the time. Which is what our long term planning should aim for, from any manager.
I am very open to the possibility that it’s not gonna work, even if I doubt if anyone here is likely to be able to give a sure answer with any reliability.
As for it being a no-brainer, I refer to this piece of art earlier in the thread:
I’ll remember to bring toilet paper.
I sincerely hope you are rightPep is a genius but Moyes would probably win the PL with that squad. Their scouts are spotting the very best players in the world not at Madrid.
We definitely limped over the line from a performance perspective.
We weren’t attacking well at all, and the defence was starting to become more open.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-performances-since-the-2023-league-cup-final.482054/
Feck me, are we on Rawk now?
So according to ESPN, INEOS will leave it to Wilcox and Ashworth to decide if ETH gets the sack? How can Ashworth decide anything if we aren't getting him until the end of the summer? Burner phone?
We all want the footballing structure, until they make a decision we don't agree with.
Just watch, if Ineos keep ETH, a large section of this forum will be calling them clueless, no matter all the promising plans and moves they've made so far.
Him and Brailsford are going to meet at a neutral underpass once per month wearing trench coats and balaclavas.
Heaven forbid we breach contract law. Just do it you *****, there will definitely be no comeback. Parmenio from redcafe says so.
They probably mean Wilcox and Berrada
Wow so the Failsworth born life long Man Utd fan who has just invested 1.3bn in the club is going to let 2 people he barely knows with no previous connection to the club come in and tell him whether he should sack the manager or not
I quite clearly said it would be madness to compare the situations. We were debating the semantics of knee-jerk reactions.
I will if their idea of a replacement is SouthgateWe all want the footballing structure, until they make a decision we don't agree with.
Just watch, if Ineos keep ETH, a large section of this forum will be calling them clueless, no matter all the promising plans and moves they've made so far.
Oh the baldie lovin is strong in here.Our performances level dropped. That's not what I'm arguing .
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Ok so how did we convince 3 highly competent individuals in a senior executive management position on no doubt huge salaries to resign? They are all under contract but hey you recon we can’t communicate with them.
Suggesting other managers would be better is not the same as saying "all problems will be solved by hiring a different manager". More than one thing can be a problem at the same time.
Well, we could also factor in the CL embarrasment of finishing last in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray. Either way, it doesn't matter if it's the worst or second worst season in the modern era, it makes no difference.
Yes, as they should.
I don't think that's meaningful in any way. They haven't "given up" on his methods because they have no other choice. We've still playing horrid football and dropping points all over the place.
I was responding to you specifying "PL season".
I don't think he's here next season either.
Moyes took United team that dominated the League to fighting 4th. And his first big purchase was a big lamppost.
Yeah, I'm not too sure about that.
It is a usual season, shit happens. Overcoming adversity is the sign of a great manager. Yes we've had injuries but all clubs have injuries, we've missed 2-3 really important players for most of the season, which happens. Will it affect results absolutely, should it see us plummet from 3rd to 7th and finish 15-20 points worse off with a negative GD, probably not. The turmoil stuff is ownerblown, he had a tiff with Sancho and sent him on loan.
Possibly but that's speculation we can't know what he was thinking. But the point is he wanted that responsibility and he go it, it wasn't foisted upon him. So the transfer dealings since July 2022 good or bad are largely his responsibility, certainly in terms of identifying targets. How much we've spent on players and managing the bidget isn't down to him solely.
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And what if they sack ETH in June? Smart move?
It's the same every week. Match day, same problems occur, we're as open as Kim Kardashians legs. People come in here to ask what the feck is going on or call him clueless, then over the next couple of days the cult of Ten Hag creeps back in to start the circle jerk/echo chamber that leads right up to match day. Rinse and repeat.
Well I mean that's how its supposed to work isn't it?
If you buy a business you've never worked in surely you hire competent people with experience in that industry to make decisions for you or at least advise you on the big ones.
Glazer masterstroke.
Maybe ETH stays another season or maybe he goes. I live in Asia but one thing is for sure, I won't be waking up in the middle to watch the game. It is frustrating being a United fan. Seeing how we beat Liverpool in the quarter but drew and beaten by Chelsea. Seeing how Spurs and Villa are dropping points we can't seem to move forward. We will finish 6th and that is the position that we deserve. As long as ETH is not involved in signing players, I can give him 1 more season. 400 million spent to achieve 6th, that's a joke to me. I hope we sign a competent CB, 1 CM, 1 RW and 1 ST. If we don't make any mistake, I believe we will be back competing.
Competing for what?
If it's top 4, fine.
But this club is a long way off in going for the title.
If it's top 4, fine.
But this club is a long way off in going for the title.
It's not about signing players. It's about his inabilities to properly judge a player's ability
Most of the players he bought has been playing under him, he should have known what they're and what they're not.
You dont have to have an eye for the next Ronaldo but as a manager, properly assessing the squad at your disposal is the bread and butter.
He could have been given a young Scholes and dont know where to play him.
He's done well bedding in young players. I'm not sure that your point about "a young Scholes" is necessarily fair.
However, you are correct that he has issues identifying what he needs in his team, which will remain an issue regardless of the structure above him.
He was adamant we needed a left-footed right winger, except now Garnacho, a right-footed player, is excelling there.
He was adamant that Varane couldn't play on the left-side, and Evans had to play there, right up until Varane was playing on the left and Evans was playing on the right.
It remains unclear what his vision for the midfield is. Mount seems an odd profile of player if we're looking to also continue with Bruno.
I'm also in Asia(UK expat in Philippines) and haven't missed a game for years but am fed with getting up in the middle of the night only to be disappointed. Am not sure Sir Jim will give him the luxury of another season of chaos football. Potter seems to be the media favourite and maybe with the right structure around him should do better than the shambles at Chelsea.
Legit expect us to get played off the park on Saturday and lose.
I don't know if there's any game at the minute where I'd be extremely confident of a win.
I don't know if there's any game at the minute where I'd be extremely confident of a win.
Would you listen to a guy who hasn't managed for over 20 years? Someone who while managing Newcastle thought it was a good idea to leave Alan Shearer and Duncan Ferguson on the bench for a game they lost to Sunderland and he was out of a job a few days later?
Given what Varane has said recently, perhaps he was just saying that it was a tactical decision at the time, because they were unsure about Varane's condition.
I've noticed people saying they trust INEOS to do the right thing and if they deem he deserves another season he should stay. And then at the same time they say if it's Southgate or Potter they want none of it. Basically, "we trust INEOS as long as they keep ETH".
That's not a tactical decision though, is it? It's a fitness/well-being issue and could have easily been explained as such.