Tuchel delivering the worst Bayern season in 15 years (CL progress aside). Wouldn’t count on him getting our shitshow even close to top 4. Still better than the other candidates though
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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It happens every so often that you have a breakout side that has an unbelievable season, Leicester for instance. Klopp only got Liverpool to Europa League last season, but I doubt anybody calls him a failure. Tuchel still looks like the most gettable candidate to me.
I hope we don't get Tuchel. Don't rate the guy despite his CV, combustible character and he doesn't last long wherever he goes. Almost Jose like without as much moodiness and self-loving.
Coming 2nd to a team who didn't even lose a league game is hardly a digrace to be honest. I'm not Tuchels biggest fan but there clearly seems to be issues at the club anyway (see the clubs issues with it previous 2 managers) and similar to United certain players who wield far too much power
I wounldn't hire Tuchel mind you, neither would I hire Potter or Southgate though
Not Tuchel's biggest fan, far from it, but still an upgrade on what we have.
Not as sexy as Zidane but less likely to soil himself than Potter. Somehow less of a risk than De Zerbi.
Not as sexy as Zidane but less likely to soil himself than Potter. Somehow less of a risk than De Zerbi.
This is my view too, he had 55% PL win rate at Chelsea which is about where ETH is now plus a decent run in domestic trophies but has a habit of losing cup finals he’s lost 5 out 10 across Europe with 3 in the UK and has 2 in 3 record in Europe.
He’s tactically flexible, his teams never get thrashed like ETH do from time to time and he knows how to close out games. He’d be great for Mason Mount and at least I know we would have an energetic cohesive team Unit.
Just for the record he has 3 Domestic titles, one in Germany, 2 in France, 2 Major European titles from 3 finals.(Champions league and Super Cup), 1 Club World Cup
He has 5 domestic cup wins from 12 finals with 1 German Cup, 1 French Cup, 1 French league Cup, 2 French Super Cup.
However he lost 3 domestic finals in the Uk 2 on pens.
He’s an upgrade on ETH, in so much as he proved by beating him twice this year, he’s not tactically as naïve, however he will fall out with players very quickly, he likes Rashford that’s a con but he might get one more decent season out of him so we can sell him for some serious money. He’s the ultimate coach with nearly as many cons as there are pros!
Thomas Tuchel knows the Prem League, has an outstanding relationship with players like Harry Kane, so there is that if he comes back. Right now if we get rid of ETH than Tuchel is the best man for the job right now, even Zidane would have to adjust to a new league and culture and he’s a huge upgrade on De Zerbie, Potter or Southgate!
I'd take Tuchel.
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In order of preference:
*Pep
*Ancelotti
*Klopp
*Xabi Alonso
*Emery
The first three are unattainable but we can and should really try to get either Xabi or Emery.
*Pep
*Ancelotti
*Klopp
*Xabi Alonso
*Emery
The first three are unattainable but we can and should really try to get either Xabi or Emery.
Yes clearly he's an upgrade on ETH and has more European pedigree.
Tactically he always showed he is up for it but the fact that he managed to fail at Bayern, at least in the league and at the end, at Chelsea worries me. Also, considering he managed PSG and Bayern his win ratio is not that high. Falling out with players is not an issue, is not like we have an world class team and we will lose our superstars because of him. Mainoo and Garnacho are the only players I really want to see as starters in the long term, the rest, for me at least are expendables.
Hiring Potter is pure nonsense, also I don't see any point why we should gamble with Southgate who hasn't managed properly at club level. De Zerbi is a promising manager that would eventually get a chance at a big club.
My personal favorite would be Xavi, but I don't know if we are interested in him or if he is interested in joining us.
I don't know how some people could stomach Pep and Klopp managing United, let alone "preferring" them to take over
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I'm sure it's been asked before, but why couldn't we take Unai Emery? He would surely come here over Villa, so is there a reason people think this wouldn't be an improvement?
I really don’t want Tuchel. Will be back to the cult of Mourinho again where people are defending shite defensive performances just to justify the odd result, whilst ignoring that the style of play is unsustainable and unable to compete for top honours. At least with Ten Hag I think he fundamentally believes in the Utd way and wants to play good football. It hasn’t really worked and tactically he’s struggled to implement the plan but that doesn’t mean we just abandon any intention to play positive football.
I just don't see anything special that warrants the role. He's a good manager who took over a well run club and kept them around, or slightly below, where they were. There's nothing impressive about his career, no achievements in europe or any of the top leagues. He's just a decent premier league manager. West ham are above Brighton in the table and most of their fans want Moyes sacked. He also sounds like a twat when he talks.
I'm genuinely puzzled whenever his name gets mentioned for a big job.
Tuchel won the domestic quadruple at PSG, fell out with their worst sporting Director Leonardo who was as bad as Woodward and got that team to a CF final against Bayern in the same year where he was unlucky, he out thought and out played Pep in a CL final and a few PL fixtures plus a reality check, the team that will win the Bundersliga this season may be the best to ever play in that competition with potentially 92 points, he’s record is much better than what the naysayers push, personally if he’s available and not off to Barcelona then he should be the very first option as he’s similar to ETH in football philosophy but miles better tactically and more importantly knows the PL which Candidates like Motta, Amorim and Zidane don’t !
He might be a short term 2/3 year fix but I’d guess that in that 2/3 years given players he could work with he will make sure United finish Top 4 every season and compete plus probably win a couple of domestic trophies, right now that’s the best we can hope for or expect ?
Fits my evaluation of Tuchel. You can´t allow him to make DOF decisions. He catches Rashford on the three good CL days, where he tries and behaves like an Anti-Neymar choir boy, to charm PSG and suddenly Tuchel rates him highly. Meanwhile the scouts are paid to also watch him at Bournemouth, when he walks around the pitch like he got roofied.
This makes it sound a bit like you want us to steer clear of any manager who has ever once rated a current Man United player.
Adding Tuchel to this dumpster fire would be quite something. Who knows, maybe that's what is needed, even if I think he is a bit overrated.
Maybe because Villa are currently looking to buy a feeder team in Spain and Emery is 1/3 part owner or maybe because he’ll win a trophy this year and get CL football next, Villa are a huge club with untapped potential and unlike Arsenal have won the EC/CL this won’t be easy for either Bayern or United to recruit Emery next season.
Tuchel's football is crap. But so is United's. A match made in heaven.
If we hire this guy I'm going into hibernation until he's fired, which he'll be, in two years.
If we hire this guy I'm going into hibernation until he's fired, which he'll be, in two years.
Personally I am now sick and tired of all this speculation it’s time the club put the matter to bed once and for all.
No I actually predicted it would be Tuchel 3-4 days ago and that he´d be a good choice. But I know Tuchel is an awful scout like 90% managers. They don´t have the time to scout. They are busy managing and preparing their squad. And United have had a tendency to allow managers to function as DOF with horrible results. As a manager only Tuchel is exactly what United need.
Ah I get you. Fortunately those days look to be done.
He’s overrated but a united side under him won’t be losing 7-0, 6-3 to Liverpool and City, won’t be giving up a 3 goal lead against championship team in a Fa Cup SF Cup with 15 minutes to go.
We won’t be giving up 30 shots per game against Palace, Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth and letting teams run through our midfield.
I think 90% of the fan base agree that the players are most of the problem but we’ve also lost faith in this clown of a coach who has serious form for losing 1, 2 and now 3 goal leads in big games.
Let the record state that this moron was put on trial at the end of February til the end of the season and he’s had 1 actual win in 9 games PL and cup in 90 minutes, his two cup wins came in ET and Pens. He’s got 6 points in the last 7 PL games and both Sheffield United and Burnley will be licking their lips when they visit old Trafford.
The end of the season is pretty much set already 8th at best but possibly 9th, a potential hammering in an Fa Cup Final and the official stamp of United’s worst ever season since 1988/89 season where we finished 11th with 51 points and lost 13 league games but still had +10 GD
Coach is the more likely description of the next appointment. DoF, Technical, Recruitment etc are being put in place by INEOS. We just need someone to work with the players full time and not be sidetracked by matters beyond their competence.
I think your point about him not winning anything is fair. He has won the odd cup here and there and I think his Shakhtar side would probably have won the Urkanian league if not for the Russian invasion at the time and the competition being abandoned. Having said that, no major trophies to his name as you say, although I think you'd agree that most of the clubs he's been at were small anyway and are not in a position to win something big. However, if we're looking only for trophies, it disqualifies a lot of other potentially top managers as well. Amorim has won the Portugese league once and a few cups, Inzaghi has won Serie B and a few cups, McKenna has won even less than these guys. Tuchel and Ancelotti have won more but have other things going against them - Tuchel picks a fight everywhere he goes like Mourinho these days and Ancelotti is a great man manager but not a tactician with a system that is modern enough to compete. You could say that De Zerbi is basically at the same level as most of these other names really with the added caveat that he's done it in this league.
I don't think you can really say he's done worse than Potter - his win % of 44.58 is better than Potter's 31.11 with what I think is a dwindling squad. After De Zerbi took over, they have lost the likes of Caicedo, Macalister, Tossard, Bissouma, Sanchez, Cucurella, etc. all of whom you can argue were starters for them and will be even today. They have a small squad and have been hit with quite a few injuries. I mean, Danny Welbeck has started a fair few games for them this season. As you say, they are 10th, but lets not forget that's just 6 points behind us right now. Two different results and they'd be above us with a better goal difference. West Ham are a different story - they are about as well coached as we are so their fans are not happy.
Despite their troubles this season, this Brighton side will still give pretty much anyone a game. Regardless of the personnel, they play a proper tactical system that gives them both control in terms of possession and a platform to attack. Their style of play is visible even during defeats and you know what you'll get week in week out. These are all things we lack.
Points per game wise they're still about the same as the top 3 teams in the Premier League. And made pretty light work of Arsenal in the CL.
Tuchel doesn't seem great with signing players, but as a coach and tactician he's really good imo. He would be a huge upgrade on Ten Hag, if not the best option available.
I don't judge him just based on trophies, but at least you need to look at someone who's doing more with less, that's what makes Alonso special. The job McKenna has done is way more impressive than De Zerbi. Emery has also done a great job with Villa. I don't think De Zerbi has managed to elevate Brighton to new levels, and considering his previous experiences are outside the top leagues, I think he has a lot to prove before being considered for a top job. I'm not saying we should go for McKenna or Emery, but at least you can make an argument for them if you want to.
My preference was always Nagelsmann, but since he isn't available now I don't see any stand out candidates. I agree that Tuchel is tricky, but the rumors about Southgate and Potter makes him seem like a dream candidate.
Who would the previous lot have appointed now? Decent money on Tuchel, I think.
The problem I see with Tuchel is that he does seem to have a preference to buy players rather than promote. He also hasn't been in any club long enough to build a base for players to move up. We have an excellent crop of academy players coming through and it'll be a shame if they're wasted for short termism. I'd rather stick with ETH over Tuchel tbh. Alonso, Xavi are the only ones I'd consider an upgrade right now.
I think we have to face the likely reality that any manager we get is probably here on a 2-4 year cycle, unless they absolutely kill it….which is fairly rare at any club. I think the continuity we used to look for in a manager, we now have to look for in a sporting director and football structure.
I think ETH’s role is untenable at this point. Regardless of injuries, we have been tactically disgusting this season. Whatever coach we bring in, he is going to have to work with the players we give him, which will in life academy graduates. The head coach won’t be able to just buy players. He’ll have to work within a structure that takes promoting of academy graduates into consideration.
I’d be all for Tuchel, but wouldn’t expect him to be here more than 3 years. But there are hardly any coaches out there I could immediately imagine being here for longer than that anyway. The key is to have the work of successive coaches be complimentary, so evolution can be built upon, rather than resetting style and personnel each time.
The thing with that is De Zerbi is doing more with less. That Brighton squad cost peanuts and he’s got the likes of Danny Welbeck in there contributing to the team.
If you look at Brighton’s squad who does he have that’s a genuine superstar? Mitoma maybe, but he cost 3m Euros. A lot of the other good players they had cost next to nothing.
They are higher up the points table than clubs who have spent considerably more. You mention Emery, but Villa have spent big money in comparison so he’s not a good example of doing more with less. Brighton going toe to toe with the likes of Man City is still a far more impressive accomplishment than anything other coaches have achieved with their budgets.
It probably would but would he join us right now? Especially if he gets villa into the CL then he might want to stay with them for another year. He has the chance to win the conference league this year and then go straight into the big tournament next year.
It will be interesting to get a Chelsea fan's perspective on Tuchel -- he wins the CL (and Super Cup & FIFA World Cup) and gets fired after a bad run.
He didn't earn enough credit in the bank after all that? And same at Bayern by winning the league.
Surely there is something just not right with him?
He didn't earn enough credit in the bank after all that? And same at Bayern by winning the league.
Surely there is something just not right with him?
Hope we avoid Tuchel. He’s a good coach but quite conservative and his system doesn’t make up for his constant falling out with others. I don’t think he’s proven much in the market either - at Chelsea he made some odd moves towards the end.
For sure not a good appointment. Underwhelming start by Ineos if true
Me, I'd do a better job
The next United manager doesn't need to be a miracle worker. We need someone who can restore balance amidst the chaos, maintain fitness levels, and make tough decisions about underperforming players. A manager who can stabilize us in the Champions League for a couple of years would be ideal.
This would give individuals like Berrarda the chance to focus on squad building and long-term improvement behind the scenes.
This would give individuals like Berrarda the chance to focus on squad building and long-term improvement behind the scenes.