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Give me a hipster CB over Lindeolf any day
Yeah you're wrong, we conceded twice in open play to crosses across our goal.See my post above
Yeah cos making this thread is the reason we lost. grow up.Sammsky and esmufc are the king of jinxes with their stupid threads all the time. They aren't even funny
Give me a hipster CB over Lindeolf any day
Give me a hip transplant over lindelof any day
You do this kind of thing a lot by the way, mate!It was poor defending, but we doesn’t lose because of them at all.
We should have been way ahead by then. Our much vaunted MMM who many posters salivate over have a lot to answer for. I blame them.
You do this kind of thing a lot by the way, mate!
I just don't see the point in these threads? Apart from being completely wrong and making you guys look a bit stupid (which you aren't as you are actually decent posters)Yeah cos making this thread is the reason we lost. grow up.
Who do you think is available that summer which fits that commanding top notch criteriaWe are desperate for a world class centre back. We have about six of them, but none are top notch. Clear a few out and sign a commanding player there. And Maguire is never a Manchester United captain.
He's a good squad player, but if the club wants more he needs to be moved out of the team. At times he can step up and take responsibility, but those games are few and far between. He generally likes to stand off and not deal with developing situations.There's people who are desperate to want to believe that Lindelof is top class whereas he really isn't. He's fine as second choice CB but for a starter he just doesn't defend enough. I wouldn't say CB is as important as some other areas though. Our record isn't too shabby. But yeah, eventually we need an upgrade.
No point in expecting us to address all ar as. Neither us not Chelsea will make such a huge jump next season. We have to improve well what we do opt to improve now. Rest will be done in future windows.He's a good squad player, but if the club wants more he needs to be moved out of the team. At times he can step up and take responsibility, but those games are few and far between. He generally likes to stand off and not deal with developing situations.
I really had high hope for Tuanzebe to step up this season, but he's proved to be made of glass thus far. Transfer window is going to be difficult for Ole as we still look 4/5 players away from a really good team and I'd very much we have the funds nor ability to address all areas.
Came here to post this. I think it’s a successful cb on the continentWhat is a 'hipster cb'?
If you are rated highly and aren't in the premier league you are given the hipster label. Hipster managers, Hipster clubs, Hister CB's etc.What is a 'hipster cb'?
Then how come Maguire was better than VVD statistically this year???Problem is that van Dijk makes everyone else look a bit second rate.
Answer is he wasntThen how come Maguire was better than VVD statistically this year???
Mustafi is the 6th best by that model.Answer is he wasnt
This is the 2nd year in a row where VVD has been rated highest by whoscored's formula. He was 3rd the season before, 2nd the season before that while at Southampton and 1st the season before that also at Southampton. So in every season in English football VVD has been in the top 3 highest rated CBs statistically
In terms of workrate/productive defensive actions yes. I never said frequency of mistakes werent also extremely important. He's very error prone which ruins his high defensive actions, same with Jones.Mustafi is the 6th best by that model.
I think VVD is the best for sure. I just dont trust stats 100% for a reason: you need to watch thr players regularly to be sure when and against who they are performing. Because some players will produce excellent stats in moments when games are already decided or against weak opposition. This is easy to see when is a striker who never scores against top sides, but its hard when is a cb.In terms of workrate/productive defensive actions yes. I never said frequency of mistakes werent also extremely important. He's very error prone which ruins his high defensive actions, same with Jones.
Our world class pairing produced another blinder today. That's two semi finals with awful defending this season. Embarrassing against Chelsea and today also.
All well and good having a go at better players in the CL, when ours can't show up in the EL.
Joke of a thread.
These defenders, all of them currently at the club are not good enough and all have one major deficiency.It was poor defending, but we doesn’t lose because of them at all.
We should have been way ahead by then. Our much vaunted MMM who many posters salivate over have a lot to answer for. I blame them.
These defenders, all of them currently at the club are not good enough and all have one major deficiency.It was poor defending, but we doesn’t lose because of them at all.
We should have been way ahead by then. Our much vaunted MMM who many posters salivate over have a lot to answer for. I blame them.
You obviously need both, unless theres a stat for everything. For example whoscored doesnt have "mistakes" so like I said above, it only really tells you about how many defensive actions and the workrate of the players. But if they had a stat that was "How many defensive mistakes that led to shots on goal" and they had a definition that you agreed with, then it would cover most things. Volume of actions - mistakes leading to chances, because the more willing you are to be tested defensively the more likely you are to make a mistake. So the best would be someone who is a highly active defender who makes few mistakes. VVD would be this type of player because he does a lot in the air and clearing the ball, while also not messing up very often. Then theres players like Lindelof who do a very low amount and then still make mistakes. And sure, not as many as some players like Jones or Mustafi but once again, the more you engage the more likely you are to get it wrong at some point. But someone has to do it. You can't leave it to everyone else, otherwise they'll just make the mistake you would have made and as a CB you really should be better at defending than those from other positions around you. The 2nd goal is a perfect example, Lindelof leaving his job to someone else because he doesnt seem to actually enjoy defendingI
I think VVD is the best for sure. I just dont trust stats 100% for a reason: you need to watch thr players regularly to be sure when and against who they are performing. Because some players will produce excellent stats in moments when games are already decided or against weak opposition. This is easy to see when is a striker who never scores against top sides, but its hard when is a cb.
Not being sarcastic, but I assume that's why we have a scouting department. Our defence didn't have a great deal to do last night, but we looked vulnerable every time Sevilla went forward. The defending for the second goal was dreadful; no wonder Bruno went mad at them. A Lindelof/Maguire partnership won't win us trophies. I'm still shocked we paid 80 million for Maguire, but that's in the past. There has to be someone playing in Europe's leagues who is an upgrade on what we currently have.Who do you think is available that summer which fits that commanding top notch criteria
Well seeing as we are very likely to get priced out for Upamecano due to new contract then think we should get BadiashileNot being sarcastic, but I assume that's why we have a scouting department. Our defence didn't have a great deal to do last night, but we looked vulnerable every time Sevilla went forward. The defending for the second goal was dreadful; no wonder Bruno went mad at them. A Lindelof/Maguire partnership won't win us trophies. I'm still shocked we paid 80 million for Maguire, but that's in the past. There has to be someone playing in Europe's leagues who is an upgrade on what we currently have.
He isn't. But if he was it would just show the statistics were wrong. Anyone with eyes can see that VVD is world class and Maguire is just pretty good.Then how come Maguire was better than VVD statistically this year???
Answer is he wasnt
This is the 2nd year in a row where VVD has been rated highest by whoscored's formula. He was 3rd the season before, 2nd the season before that while at Southampton and 1st the season before that also at Southampton. So in every season in English football VVD has been in the top 3 highest rated CBs statistically
------------------Tckl----Blk---Int--Clr---HdClr----Rec---DW---DL---50/50---ABW---ABLHe isn't. But if he was it would just show the statistics were wrong. Anyone with eyes can see that VVD is world class and Maguire is just pretty good.
The problem with comparing defensive stats is that they do not give you the right answer. VVD is clearly miles ahead of any defender but also, he is the best protected CB in Europe too.He isn't. But if he was it would just show the statistics were wrong. Anyone with eyes can see that VVD is world class and Maguire is just pretty good.
Maguire | VVD | |
Tackle won % | 62.2 | 52.2 |
Clearances | 157 | 162 |
Blocks | 22 | 15 |
Interceptions | 72 | 40 |
Duels won | 240 | 239 |
Duel won % | 65 | 74 |
Ariel duels % | 71.3 | 76.1 |
Recoveries | 237 | 220 |
Who cares about stats? They are a useful data point but misleading without context.The only stat where VVD is ahead of Maguire is clearances and arial battles won. And for those who say there isn't much between Maguire and Lindeloff, this tells an entirely different picture...