Manchested United (social media team) is not dumb enough to give his brand a platform on social media, if they didn't think that would benefit the club's social media presence.
If he or Rashy are showing up more often on the club media, then that is deliberate and sanctioned by the club.
I remember when Lingard was young, I had so much hope for him. He was direct, really good technically and he was a good finished. He lost all of that and he just runs now. His attitude sucks too, everything is a joke to him and he keeps pushing his brand even when we lose a game. I guess that's the problem of growing up watching players like Vidic and Scholes.I guess you'll be sad to know Gomes considers Rashford his mentor. That darn Lingard is just ruining our youth isn't he?
I say he's not good enough and also maybe he's off the pitch antics have effected he's game who knows. What I do know is that Rio, Becham or any of the others who had other commitments didn't let that effect there game as there record speaks for it's self. I think you can't compare what Rio did off the pitch with Lingard because Rio backed it up on the pitch and Lingard has become a bit of a laughing stock and it's effecting our youth players and I'd say it is effecting Rashford.
Sorry, I just don't see this 'everything is a joke' attitude from Jesse. You'll have to come up with something real - that's not.I remember when Lingard was young, I had so much hope for him. He was direct, really good technically and he was a good finished. He lost all of that and he just runs now. His attitude sucks too, everything is a joke to him and he keeps pushing his brand even when we lose a game. I guess that's the problem of growing up watching players like Vidic and Scholes.
I'd say there's objective evidence that Manchester United the organisation has failed in a number of areas and that has had a top-down effect on the squad/first team, negatives including instability, managerial merry-go-round, poor recruiting choices, lack of identity and leadership.To other footballers as a whole yes. To footballers on other big PL clubs, no. Big no for Lingard, and a not yet for Rashford.
Ref. the rest on laurels thing. I really believe they are lacking a lot in ambition. There were several players that achieved a lot in a MU jersey with half the skill of Lingard. Playing for MU is an outstanding achievement, but once you do that the next natural step is being a serial winner with the club. Instead, these players seem to believe they achieved everything. That's where their attitude fails them, their employer, and their fans.
Manchested United (social media team) is not dumb enough to give his brand a platform on social media, if they didn't think that would benefit the club's social media presence.
If he or Rashy are showing up more often on the club media, then that is deliberate and sanctioned by the club.
Correct, I used to handle the social media for an Arsenal player and we had to ask that they didn't use him as much (they were clearly trying to tap into the market of his home country).
Absolutely. And the weird jealousy going on here......................come on. I just hope if Jesse and Marcus read the redcaf they understand there are plenty of us who appreciate them and hope they stay.He's more of a red than some of the deluded people on here hating on him
And if your point is that we're angry because we don't want to be West Ham, then you're right. So would any fan of a major club. Go ask an AC Milan fan to see if they're not apeshit about their team.
He also regularly won medals.
That's the difference. If we were winning laurel and Hardy could behave however the feck they liked and it wouldn't be a problem.
Exactly. We are all seeing our club is in danger of quickly becoming West Ham. We don’t really know what goes on in the dressing room, but we see the terrible performances on the pitch by “Rashy” and Lingard, and then we see these clowns in social media, with a carefree attitude. As a fan, it makes me angry towards them, because for me they have played a BIG part of the shit show we have watched over the last few months on the pitch. I feel my anger is justified and it is part of being a fan. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with fans expressing their anger when they feel there is something seriously wrong with how these players are behaving.
Of course, I see other fans are not bothered much. They present good and cool intelectual arguments abour this pair being entitled to live their lives as they wish. Perhaps we all don’t see the game in the same way, and they don’t feel these pair carry any particular burden of responsibility. Or perhaps they are not as passionate or they don’t like to show anger. I respect that.
It's effected Rashford and I'm sure the youth look up to both Rashford and Lingard. Can you imagine being 17 looking upto Lingard with he's JlingZ and moon walks. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near him.Why would you say it is effecting youth players?
Our West Ham fans obsessing about their players social media? It is fine to think the players are not playing well enough on the pitch when you guys start getting angry about what they are wearing and what they are posting on social media is when it gets weird.
Could not disagree more, of course United are not against it and no legal measures will be taken. However, millions of people showed their condolences about the Manchester tragedy, but they hardly put logos of their brands on it. JLings is an absolutely nothing brand, so the shitty logo was put there to be promoted, and not to promote United or increase the Manchester tragedy awareness due to the huge exposure of Jesse's pimp clothes.Manchested United (social media team) is not dumb enough to give his brand a platform on social media, if they didn't think that would benefit the club's social media presence.
If he or Rashy are showing up more often on the club media, then that is deliberate and sanctioned by the club.
It's effected Rashford and I'm sure the youth look up to both Rashford and Lingard. Can you imagine being 17 looking upto Lingard with he's JlingZ and moon walks. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near him.
There is a link between the two. After all, social media is not their private life, it is a public forum. If in our view they have played like shit for an extended period, and then they come and act like clowns in this public forum, it triggers a release of that anger that has been building up by watching their terrible on-field performance.
Yeah but, is still ridiculous and irrational. What they are doing on social media have zero relation to what they are doing on the pitch.
I just explained the link with their clowning around in social media triggering a release of pent up anger, you seem to understand it because you say “yeah but...” and then you say there is zero relation. You are trying to rationalize, but anger is an emotion, it’s difficult to rationalize. Just because you don’t feel the anger yourself it doesn’t mean it’s non existent for millions of us.
I am not say it does not ecist I am saying it is ridiculous and irrational.
I would say trying to defend Lingard, after he almost purposely brings onto himself all these angry responses, is a bit ridiculous and irrational.
Here is the thing it is May the season just ended and the next season does not start until August. So Lingard, Rashford and the rest of the squad can not redeem themselves until then. So for the next two months do you want the players to not been seen in public or on social media until the season starts again? And will guys get angry over and over again when they are doing things in public that do not involve Football training?
JLings is an absolutely nothing brand, so the shitty logo was put there to be promoted, and not to promote United or increase the Manchester tragedy awareness due to the huge exposure of Jesse's pimp clothes.
You suggesting Rashford is fat. Or did it just sound funny in your head??
This has been discussed to death. Businesses give out such condolence messages in public all the time. You can't say that a business should not give out messages because it is a shitty brand or its owner/public face is not good enough in his field of work.However, millions of people showed their condolences about the Manchester tragedy, but they hardly put logos of their brands on it
I take it you had to Google laurel and Hardy?
He actually refers to himself as ‘Rashy’ ffs.
Yeah but, is still ridiculous and irrational. What they are doing on social media have zero relation to what they are doing on the pitch.
A fan asked him for a selfie so it is nice that he takes the effort of taking a selfie with a fan.
Yes, but likely also every other perspectives.From a social media perspective, is Lingard serving as a bad influence / off the pitch distraction to Rashford?
It has everything to do. It's about mentality:
"When I lost a match I broke down in frustration. Today players lose, take a selfie and put it on the Internet. They make me sick." Gennaro Gattuso.
Quote from a player that won everything and gave his all on the pitch despite his technical limitations.
Young players who follow his example will thrive. Others will fail, even if in relative terms.
Look at Neymar, he could have won the Golden Ball with the talent he has. Never got anywhere near, due to the same kind of behavior criticized in this thread.
Effort is loading a truck of cement under the sun. Taking a selfie with somebody who puts you in a pedestal is a moral obligation.
And here I was thinking that players like overweight smoker and laugher on the bench when the team is losing such as Rojo and possibly the worst signing I can remember because of his almost zero value to Manchester United given how the obscene amount of money paid for him in Sanchez were two players quite deserving of criticism for what they haven't done any time in a United shirt.
Silly me - let's knife two local lads proud to play for Manchester United because they wear some chains, like urban fashion and don't hide away at home because their club's organisation has not provided the kind of environment in which they would flourish.
I can understand not hating Lingard's social media/business activity and defending his right to have outside interests, but I can't understand why anyone would want Lingard to stay for football reasons. He's just nowhere near good enough.Absolutely. And the weird jealousy going on here......................come on. I just hope if Jesse and Marcus read the redcaf they understand there are plenty of us who appreciate them and hope they stay.
I can understand not hating Lingard's social media/business activity and defending his right to have outside interests, but I can't understand why anyone would want Lingard to stay for football reasons. He's just nowhere near good enough.
Not selling and staying is two different things.
Alot of us don't see the reason we should go out of our way to sell Lingard when we have major gaps all across the positions he covers for us & so much more around him.
If he was unhappy here then sure none of us would force him to stay. However, making him stay vs not selling is slightly different. Plus a player like Gomes talks about Lingard break through influence & that's something that influences me more than what Lingard wears at night.