1 win in 17 against non-relegated teams.

[justsomebloke]

What?

What do you mean "What"? It's blatantly obvious.

The notion that Ole's squad was 2nd place level even when badly coached and the present one is (potentially) a 17th place squad despite being well coached is beyond ridiculous.

 

[ron86]

My worry is we end up with these kind of athletic running players on the cheap, but not enough skill and creativity or experience. That's not going to work in the PL. I hope we have the money this year and definitely next, but they actually buy some top players. Quality over Quantity.

I hope they finally learn that you need 2 top level strikers to win games at this level and we buy an experienced prime age striker and keep Hojlund and let him develop. You can introduce youth and augment the squad the way Fergie did, but you can't have your whole front line made up of youngsters average age 20 odd and hope they grow into it!

We've too many 10's and 9.5's. We have no real experience up front and the squad is going to be massively light in real experience and talent in midfield, when Casemiro, Eriksen are gone and Mount is a permanent sick note.

Add to that the Bruno situation, if we get 150 million for a 31 year old he goes, that leaves another huge hole in the team that will be a priority to fill, so much work to do in reality.

Yep, we needs players who are both athletic and technical. At the moment we've somehow managed to put together a squad with no athleticism or technique

 

[justsomebloke]

I don't know, put this team in 3-4-2-1 with fullbacks in WB positions and it looks like that.

DDG
Lindelof - Maguire - Bailly/Rojo
AWB - Matic - Pogba - Shaw
Fernandes - Rashford
Martial

Bailly and Rojo were injured a lot so Shaw would probably go to CB with an inexperienced Dalot or Dan James moved to WB. Pogba was mostly missing as well so that's McFred in midfield. Greenwood barely has a place in this formation.
We were definitely better in attack, but the back and midfield were awful. We'd get eaten alive if we tried to play from the back the way we do now.

We also had a lot less depth of quality in the squad. Most obviously at CB, but also at FB and the wings. At RB, the next option after AWB was Timothy Fosu-Mensah. Now it's Mazraoui. If Rashford and Greenwood weren't playing on the flanks, there was Daniel James and Facundo Pellistri. Now, if we were still playing 4231, it would be Garnacho and Antony as the second stringers (assuming Rashford was still around).

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Watching the games last weekend specifically the Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle matches we seem so much slower than all the teams involved.

It is like the game got faster and we didn't.

 

[tomaldinho1]

My worry is we end up with these kind of athletic running players on the cheap, but not enough skill and creativity or experience. That's not going to work in the PL. I hope we have the money this year and definitely next, but they actually buy some top players. Quality over Quantity.

I hope they finally learn that you need 2 top level strikers to win games at this level and we buy an experienced prime age striker and keep Hojlund and let him develop. You can introduce youth and augment the squad the way Fergie did, but you can't have your whole front line made up of youngsters average age 20 odd and hope they grow into it!

We've too many 10's and 9.5's. We have no real experience up front and the squad is going to be massively light in real experience and talent in midfield, when Casemiro, Eriksen are gone and Mount is a permanent sick note.

Add to that the Bruno situation, if we get 150 million for a 31 year old he goes, that leaves another huge hole in the team that will be a priority to fill, so much work to do in reality.

I always thought when Ineos came in they'd replicate the Red Bull style - Sir Jim had spoken a few times about them and Ragnick, Brailsford, Vivell all know each other + it's a cheaper model to hire for because the most expensive players tend to be the more 'technical' ones. Someone like Dorgu seems really in line with that recruitment strategy, the strange thing for me is it seems a bit at odds with what Amorim wants to do. This summer will be intriguing to see the profiles of who we bring in, whether they are young and dynamic players who are raw (like Dorgu) or if they revert to buying established expensive names.

 

[SER19]

At what number will there be a consensus that this is so unacceptable it's hard to put into words?

West Ham hadn't a win in 8 and they absolutely cruised by us.

 

[Guv77]

But we had a higher xG?
Some would say.

 

[soapythecat]

At what number will there be a consensus that this is so unacceptable it's hard to put into words?

West Ham hadn't a win in 8 and they absolutely cruised by us.

The standard support from his loyal fans will be less so again today. Surely it must be dawning on them that he is out of his depth in this league. This game in Particular just highlighted how poor the system is as we couldn’t work through this West Ham team. We made their life easier by again playing an open midfield. It was way too easy for them.

 

[SER19]

The standard support from his loyal fans will be less so again today. Surely it must be dawning on them that he is out of his depth in this league. This game in Particular just highlighted how poor the system is as we couldn’t work through this West Ham team. We made their life easier by again playing an open midfield. It was way too easy for them.

In recent weeks weve heard that Brentford and Bournemouth are good well drilled sides. West Ham are awful and couldnt buy a win, and they just had their easiest game of the season.

 

[Bobski]

The Europa league is doing massive bits for him because as a PL manager he is, so far, among the worst performing managers in the history of the competition.

This season was 100% going to be a disaster from the moment Ten Hag wasn't sacked after the FA Cup final, but this is far worse than anyone could ever have expected.

 

[Rajma]

The midfield 2 doesn’t have any chance in this league and didn’t for more a decade now. Also, Bruno won’t work in any pair configuration, he’ll always be a liability physically and will handicap us massively, especially in two man midfield. Amorim is genuinely out of his depth if he can’t see this, and should walk even if we win Europa at this point.

 

[Jaap]

The Europa league is doing massive bits for him because as a PL manager he is, so far, among the worst performing managers in the history of the competition.

This season was 100% going to be a disaster from the moment Ten Hag wasn't sacked after the FA Cup final, but this is far worse than anyone could ever have expected.

26 games played in the Premier League: won six, drawn six, lost FOURTEEN (!). Disastrous is putting it lightly. 3-2-7 at home. Woeful.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Horrific.

Amorim has a huge job in the league to recover us.

We lose a feckloads under him. So it’s justified. I can’t think of a top level manager who has ever recovered from such a bad start to their career at a club.

 

[FreakyJim]

The thing is, we're finishing the season so bad, there won't be any positivity going into pre-season. We can't replace the whole squad and start over. Most of these players will be here next year and will be regular starters too. What kind of respect will Amorim command with a record like that? With performances like that?

On the bright side, we won't see 5-3-whatever ever again (hopefully) after he gets sacked and that will be great.

 

[Lewnited]

There isn't a player in the team that looks remotely comfortable in the role they're currently playing in the team, yet we see the same thing week after week in the PL in the vague hope that it all comes together after a few signings in the summer.

Forget even speaking on the quality of the players or the coaching staff, I've just never seen a top team operate like this.

 

[SER19]

26 games played in the Premier League: won six, drawn six, lost FOURTEEN (!). Disastrous is putting it lightly. 3-2-7 at home. Woeful.

Home wins were against Ipswich, Southampton and Everton (who were in the relegation zone when we beat them). Its 1 win in 10 at home against the teams left in PL.