Shooter had no choice, and I think she deserved it.Shooter had a choice. You just like the choice, in my opinion.
Shooter had no choice, and I think she deserved it.Shooter had a choice. You just like the choice, in my opinion.
Nobody “deserves” to die. But some people behave sufficiently recklessly that they create such a high risk of dying they should take full personal responsibility for ending up dead. Free solo rock climbers, for example. You could certainly argue that this applies here. With added moral culpability because she also endangered others.Be good if people tried to understand that even idiots deserve to live if it can be helped
Wow, this really has been the radicalisation of the American people. Not hard to understand why the likes of ISIS can succeed in doing so when you see this in a country like the US.Her social media is still visible. Here’s a tame, yet representative, post...
She definitely wasn’t inhabiting the same reality the majority of us are.
Her radicalization was clearly evident.
When the swamp drains they will only see the likes of themselves at the bottomDumb cnuts still talking about “draining the swamp”. Have they not been paying attention for 4years??
Just like Qanon, it’s like watching a religion being formed.In a more abstract sense, I think Trumpism is all about cognitive dissonances. There are things you want to believe, maybe because they are more comfortable to you, (e. g. "covid isn't that bad, I can still go out", "climate change isn't real, I don't need to change my lifestyle", "the immigrants are to blame for my unemployment, not me, I don't need to change and am fine the way I am") and there are facts which might contradict those views (science primarily). Then you can either adapt your opinion and accept the uncomfortable or build constructs in your head (conspiracy theories) that delegitimize the unpleasant truths. However, Trump tells people what they want to hear and it makes it easier for them to blend out facts and logic. He gives them easy ways out to live how they want to live against better knowledge and they give in to their basic instincts (blaming others, etc.) instead of using their brains.
I think we're beginning to witness the pinnacle of this mindset. They were "protesting" in their echo chamber, probably told themselves on and on again that they're the people, the silent majority, that cops and military are on their side and that nothing would harm them. In the same way, they convince themselves that semiautomatic rifles and some improvised gun range shooting prepares them for a battle with trained forces.
Thing is, in the end the fate of this woman might be symbolic for what's coming. Trump will not leave it at that, he'll escalate things further. The institutions have been really inconsequential with Trump supporters' wrong doings in the past and that has probably only confirmed their illusion of invincinbility. But if things continue like this, at some point the military has to intervene. Just like this woman probably didn't even entertain the thought that she might die if she ignores the warnings of the police, they won't know what they got themselves into until it's too late.
Totally agree on the final bit. Arrest each and every one. Speak to the phone providers, they can identify where folks were.Joe drops the F bomb. He's pretty angry.
One man's terrorist is another man's patriot it appears.A terrorist was shot. Whats with the sympathy?
I'm wondering how so many got away.
Can being shot be categorised as Natural Selection. . .
Officer " Don't come in or we'll shoot"
MAGA Protester "I'm coming in!"
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If i was in his situation the last thing im doing, while outnumbered trying to hold a line in front of Insurgents with all those people behind a barricade, is holster my firearm to physically beat someone up.Physically beat is better than shooting dead and look what happened when they became physical, the invaders were beaten back.
Obviously I'm sitting at home judging the interaction but I would rather the police valued life rather than justifying deaths with 'they were a criminal and maybe a threat to their life because of uncertainty'
Keep repeating the lies long enough, it becomes people’s truth. Or their religion.Wow, this really has been the radicalisation of the American people. Not hard to understand why the likes of ISIS can succeed in doing so when you see this in a country like the US.
Berlin actually had somewhat similar incident in August, when there were protests against Corona measures all over the City and with the police forced being stretched (too) thin a couple of hundred protesters broke through the barriers at the Reichstag. But the comparison kind of ends there, as apparently German democracy, while of course having issues of its own, isn't as far gone as in the US and so three guards were able to block the entry, using Batons and righteous indignation, before reinforcements arrived and cleared the steps.What would they do in Europe? Or in a more Liberal Asian country?
Don’t think there’s a nation on this earth that wouldn’t deploy similar force if armed terrorists were actively occupying their physical institutions of power in their respective countries.Berlin actually had somewhat similar incident in August, when there were protests against Corona measures all over the City and with the police forced being stretched (too) thin a couple of hundred protesters broke through the barriers at the Reichstag. But the comparison kind of ends there, as apparently German democracy, while of course having issues of its own, isn't as far gone as in the US and so three guards were able to block the entry, using Batons and righteous indignation, before reinforcements arrived and cleared the steps.
"The state has to act with zero tolerance and decisive harshness against those people" is what the interior minister had to say. So yeah, the hope is that things would never escalate as far as they have in D.C., but if they did appropriate force would be used and if the question was between shooting an insurgent or offering up parliament to a lynch mob, then people would get shot.
“She was only there to voice her opinions” - dumbass Husband.Officer " Don't come in or we'll shoot"
MAGA Protester "I'm coming in!"
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I think its easy to feel irrational hatred when you see it as it was shown yesterday, but if it helps, I guess im trying to say it is not the first time the flag has been in that building.Yeah I can’t argue with that
This logic might be correct if this had happened outside the capitol and someone was shot. As then the “protests” would have been where they were meant to be and you could only justify violence if required.Physically beat is better than shooting dead and look what happened when they became physical, the invaders were beaten back.
Obviously I'm sitting at home judging the interaction but I would rather the police valued life rather than justifying deaths with 'they were a criminal and maybe a threat to their life because of uncertainty'
If you are talking about the first woman that was reported dead (the one that got shot in the neck), are you sure she’s 16? They said she was a military veteran so surely she couldn’t have been?16? Jeezus.
You've got to be a heartless prick to think she deserved it.
She wasn't 16. Those reports were false.If you are talking about the first woman that was reported dead (the one that got shot in the neck), are you sure she’s 16? They said she was a military veteran so surely she couldn’t have been?
Thanks. Obviously the policing was wrong and too soft from the start due to Trump.Berlin actually had somewhat similar incident in August, when there were protests against Corona measures all over the City and with the police forced being stretched (too) thin a couple of hundred protesters broke through the barriers at the Reichstag. But the comparison kind of ends there, as apparently German democracy, while of course having issues of its own, isn't as far gone as in the US and so three guards were able to block the entry, using Batons and righteous indignation, before reinforcements arrived and cleared the steps.
"The state has to act with zero tolerance and decisive harshness against those people" was what the interior minister had to say. So yeah, the hope is that things would never escalate as far as they have in D.C., but if they did appropriate force would be used and if the question was between shooting an insurgent or offering up members of parliament to a lynch mob, then people would get shot.
Sometimes I wonder if people forget that the reason it doesn't happen more often is because people know what would be the consequences. People don't do it in Europe because they fear the response while Trump supporters have convinced themselves that they can match the United States of America.Don’t think there’s a nation on this earth that wouldn’t deploy similar force if armed terrorists were actively occupying their physical institutions of power in their respective countries.
It goes to show how embedded into every facet of on ground LEOs this racist / supremacy mindset by the cops really is.It's disgraceful the mob were allowed to get that far into the Capitol. If you've ever been to the Mall it's swarming with law enforcement, both local and federal. I can't even imagine walking up the steps without being intercepted.
Now technically there is a tipping point where lethal force is necessary. Was it used in the most common sense way? No, not with police officers behind the woman who was shot. Was it justifiable? Somewhat. A warning was given, and the woman did attempt to breach that protected zone.
So yeah there needs to be an inquiry as to how the Capitol was allowed to be invaded. That's the issue here.
That was a discredited rumor.If you are talking about the first woman that was reported dead (the one that got shot in the neck), are you sure she’s 16? They said she was a military veteran so surely she couldn’t have been?
It's a bit weird how the protesters had the gates opened to them, later reports and a pic showing an officer having a selfie with a protester, and on. Very low key policing to put it mildly, maybe quite effective in removing some protesters. Others pushing the boundaries, going past one, then the next, then the next until lethal force is used. Bombs found but only a couple, a few hardcore extremists in the crowd?It's disgraceful the mob were allowed to get that far into the Capitol. If you've ever been to the Mall it's swarming with law enforcement, both local and federal. I can't even imagine walking up the steps without being intercepted.
Now technically there is a tipping point where lethal force is necessary. Was it used in the most common sense way? No, not with police officers behind the woman who was shot. Was it justifiable? Somewhat. A warning was given, and the woman did attempt to breach that protected zone.
So yeah there needs to be an inquiry as to how the Capitol was allowed to be invaded. That's the issue here.
Just cannot fathom how some don’t understand that when you are trying to assassinate the VP, lethal force will always be used.Sometimes I wonder if people forget that the reason it doesn't happen more often is because people know what would be the consequences. People don't do it in Europe because they fear the response while Trump supporters have convinced themselves that they can match the United States of America.
While the death of that woman is tragic when you consider the larger context, something way worse happened yesterday. The United States are without question the most powerful military and police force in the world but their politicians and the GOP in particular weakened it to the point where a bunch of idiots were meters away from potentially culling members of parliament. If everyone didn't realize it already, the US need to fix itself up quickly, it's not a joke anymore.
Only because Trump couldn't give a flying feck about anything or anyone but himself. If he actually believed in the cause and his rhetoric he speaks and cared about the people who follow him rather than just caring about the love they show him, then the USA would have been fecked.Hes got about 40% of the population who believe hes the rightful president
seemingly at least 10% of the population who strongly believe in that and all the other Q batshit crazy stuff
they probably have most of the assault rifles and ammo at their disposal
and trump is commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world
Frankly if they had any brains they should have been able to pull off a coup easily - we should probably be thankful most of them are thick and trump couldn't be bothered to even plan this properly
Interesting comparison here FYI.Haven't BLM/antifa been storming and damaging federal buildings throughout the US this year?
We're going to find out every little nugget about her life in the coming days. It won't be pretty.The whole 'sympathy' subject is a touchy one. She was clearly radicalised, but again so is pretty much every ISIS affiliated terrorist who carries out attacks on Western soil, and there's certainly no love lost in regards to them. You could argue its because she didn't end up hurting anyone, but again we don't even entertain a modicum of sympathy for killed terrorists who've failed in their plots. I suspect it's because she's a middle aged, white former servicewoman who hides behind the veil of 'patriotism and duty' that we're even questioning the moral implications behind her killing.
Pictures of her as a toddler at Myrtle Beach holding an American flagWe're going to find out every little nugget about her life in the coming days. It won't be pretty.
"she was a lovely happy child, who had a wonderful childhood"Pictures of her as a toddler at Myrtle Beach holding an American flag
It’s actually the flag of Georgia, as in the European country. So the guy in the picture really is an idiotIt's a flag of St George and they like it cause of the crusades. It's not meant to be Georgia the state.
Lifelong Democrat.Only because Trump couldn't give a flying feck about anything or anyone but himself. If he actually believed in the cause and his rhetoric he speaks and cared about the people who follow him rather than just caring about the love they show him, then the USA would have been fecked.
Remember he was a Democrat for years until Obama humiliated him and Trump vowed to take him and everything he stood for down. Trump would have ran as a Dem if he honestly thought he could get elected.
I wonder if a photo of a young Osama Bin Laden posing outside the clock end of the Highbury stadium would have the same effect.Pictures of her as a toddler at Myrtle Beach holding an American flag
Yup, spot on.Lifelong Democrat.
He & his advisors realized his faux populist message resonated best with the mental deficients on the right. And they were spot on unfortunately.