Don't Everton fans think he was shit in the market? And very indecisive?
A less OTT and reactionary piece on our transfers this summer
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
People seem to have bought it too which is amazing.
If only Martin Ferguson did, though?
That's not what Reactionary means. In fact, reactionary is essentially the opposite of "over the top".
They do, although he can't have been that bad considering what he did there with no money. Many Everton fans still have a bee in their bonnets about him leaving, many don't.
Pretty much sums it all up.
I'm pretty sure that if Ferguson had told Moyes that Thiago should have been his no. 1 midfield target as suggested, he'd have made a move. €20m isn't that much and even if he didn't work out we could probably recoup most of that by selling him in the future. It'd make literally no sense to reject one of the biggest midfield talents at that price, what could possibly be the benefit of that? Did he want to wait another season and scout him properly - surely he couldn't have come up with anything like that?
So we not only have a new team of inexperienced leaders, we now have a public name and blame power struggle going on too. Yep, thats all we needed.
I cant imagine that the transfer team had a very nice time this past 6 weeks. First time they would have worked together and it did not go very well.
The board needs to nip this in the bud, else the bad experience will manifest into feuds and then we are only a few steps away from the brutal power struggle shenanigans that went on at Liverpool under the Benitez.
We can see the evidence for ourselves. Almost all of the signings he made at Everton were successful, and he was shopping in a difficult area of the market.
The likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Baines were all bought from smaller English clubs with good success. He made one big money signing (Fellaini) that has now gone onto United for a decent profit. Lots of examples, and not many negatives. Everton should be flirting with, or suffering, relegation given the budget they have. The fact that they far exceeded that was solely down to Moyes management and his success in the transfer market.
Seriously, what the feck were we doing with our pursuit of Fabregas? Bizarre saga.
Alright, whether the article is true or not, I actually feel better if this was on Moyes. If he wanted to be successful with United then he must also make mistakes with it. I cannot disagree more that he should take what Fergie and his scout opinions, and not forming his own. If Moyes didn't think that Thiago is a good fit with us then that's what he shouldn't go for him, no matter what everybody else think. If Moyes wanted to make United his own team, I'm afraid that's the only way he's going to do it.
Regarding Herrera, I'm not that bothered anymore. In fact, I think IF the Herrera part of the article is true, we might try again in January. If we don't, then we'll got someone else.
Regarding Herrera, I'm not that bothered anymore. In fact, I think IF the Herrera part of the article is true, we might try again in January. If we don't, then we'll got someone else.
solution to what?
we needed Fellaini, not Thiago to solve our midfield problems. Is not going forward that we have problem with... is getting overrun and dominated by better midfields.
Thiago cant get stuck in even if his life was at stake... and now, after his injury, good luck with developing a defensive awareness when you are scared to shit you will get injured again.
George Owen there are so many wrongs with your post I cant even be asked.
solution to what?
we needed Fellaini, not Thiago to solve our midfield problems. Is not going forward that we have problem with... is getting overrun and dominated by better midfields.
Thiago cant get stuck in even if his life was at stake... and now, after his injury, good luck with developing a defensive awareness when you are scared to shit you will get injured again.
no you didnt.....
i did it again. Yesterday too.
He's saying we needed a strong player to strengthen the midfield above all else? How outlandish!
No doubt his Agent encouraged us
Strange that he said feck all while the rumours were flying.
I've no doubt whatsoever that his agent encouraged us to go for him, or suggested he might be available.
Encouragement from Fabregas camp?
This is just a myth created by united fans to soften the fact that we stupidly continue to ram a small penis into barca's mouth, only for them to reject it
There is not even a rumor on this to be true, only make belief that surely we are not that dumb. And its not like Fabregas is flip floping during the whole saga, he adamantly state that he's happy and not looking for a move , compare that to our Ronaldo's "Only god knows" and Rooney's "angry and confused" surely there is none whatsoever from him personally.
If United are indeed being tipped by his agent, then surely we deserve to be called an idiot for taking it seriously without a clear indication that Fabregas would at least consider the move.
This is just a myth created by united fans to soften the fact that we stupidly continue to ram a small penis into barca's mouth, only for them to reject it
There is not even a rumor on this to be true, only make belief that surely we are not that dumb. And its not like Fabregas is flip floping during the whole saga, he adamantly state that he's happy and not looking for a move , compare that to our Ronaldo's "Only god knows" and Rooney's "angry and confused" surely there is none whatsoever from him personally.
If United are indeed being tipped by his agent, then surely we deserve to be called an idiot for taking it seriously without a clear indication that Fabregas would at least consider the move.
That's bollocks and bitter
solution to what?
we needed Fellaini, not Thiago to solve our midfield problems. Is not going forward that we have problem with... is getting overrun and dominated by better midfields.
Thiago cant get stuck in even if his life was at stake... and now, after his injury, good luck with developing a defensive awareness when you are scared to shit you will get injured again.
We needed Creativity first and foremost, we only need cover for carrick (albeit kinda urgent)
What the hell are you talking about? Because Thiago chooses Bayern doesn't mean that he suddenly becomes shit, and it's not even a career ending injury.
You sounds like Rawkish
agree that it was a bad post. Disagree that we needed creativity more than defensive steel. We got overran in midfield in most big games last season. Fellaini will help there.
Fellaini + carrick, what are our outlet in attack then?
I'd rather Fellaini / Carrick + one scholes like type.
The thing that makes us porous at the back is that Carrick is expected to do both at the same time
The options in attack are the 2 wingers + 2 forwards.. Clev doesn't add to the attack either, and doesn't provide defensive solidarity. I think Fellaini + Carrick will be tried a bit.
i knew it was bitter but, was too late to edit when i realized it, plop, its just all this non sense talk about Moyes, thiago and other players who were coming but never did... wtf.
It's time to move forward.
But yeah, nothing to do with Thiago. I was never a big fan of his transfer, because we needed someone to play deeper alongside Carrick or cover for him, some much needed steel. When rumors of Rooney being sold took heat, it start making sense to me the interest in Thiago, and i got quite excited at some point, but with Rooney staying, it just doesnt make sense anymore. Maybe was Sir Alex plan to let Rooney leave, but it wasnt Moyes. Now its up to him to make the calls, and there is no point to find a reason for everything he does, specially when its a dead end.
lets enjoy our squad, underrated as f..., that hasnt changed much this new season, but one good signing is all you need to make a big difference. We have 3 new players, and personally, im sure one of them will be key to our success, and quite confident about the other two, who might end up being very good players.
ps. I really like Thiago, awesome playmaker on it's way to be a world class player. Him choosing Bayern definatly doesnt mean he is shit, it shows how much confidence he has on his abilities. We'll see if Pep can find the right place for him on his team, will be a challenge. Feel bad for being bitter about him... nothing to do with him really.
I'm more worried about our pulling power when it comes to world class player
Nowdays I don't think the first tier below Messi / Ronaldo would prefer Manchester United than the likes of Bayern, Dortmund, Barca, Madrid, Chelsea, and even to the lesser extent clubs like PSG and Anzhi have a considerable pulling power thanks to the sugar daddies
Then let's just not sign any of the best talents in the world. Screw all the fantastic talents coming out of Spain and Germany and give up on trying to be the best side in the world. Let's stick to average English footballers who will stick by us.
Obviously I exaggerate, but seriously, I completely disagree with the logic. Also, I don't see how thiago is a risk. He'd a hugely talented player.
It's a stupid way. He should rectify it quickly. Or update himself on the worlds top talents faster.