They definitely should be doing better, when according to some on here, over half their team are the best in their positions, in the league.
Two things: 1. It's not down purely to Poch's management. Yes he's allowed them to flourish but the players had it in them, he can't turn shite into superstars, these are genuine top class players. It's why he's failed with some players. It's why players like Eriksen were so highly rated before Spurs, why players like Alli tore United a new one when we played against MK Dons. So yes, while he's probably allowed them to flourish, it's rubbish to simply say it's down to Poch. Therefore more should be expected, he's hardly turning a squad of turds into top four material. A squad as good as this Spurs team should be in and around the top 4.
If you stick strictly to hitting the back of the net yes. But with Costa and Griezmann that was NEVER my argument. It was impact and importance. On both impact and importance 3 times Costa has achieved things for his sides that Kane never has
I really don't. Here is why: first, I was asked a specific question as to why Aubamayang is as good or better than Kane. In that particular argument both started to score goals for their current clubs the same season. There is no good reason why I should reach all the way to Aubameyang's earlier years, for the comparison is pretty balanced.
I should warn you
Aubamayang was playing as a wide forward.
He is probably the only one whose start is comparable to Kane's.
Fair enough. However of you are going to use break out seasons you should pick them across the board. Starting with Aubameyang and his first as a starting forward in his last year at St Etienne. Griezmann's final year at Soiceded and Costa's first proper year at Atletico in 2012/13. That would then be fair and balanced rather starting from the vantage point of when Kane started to really be noticed.
Ok
Yet another Kane fan boy
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Puerile thinking again. I judge strikers in the impact and weight of their goal scoring. Same way UEFA does in their golden shoe rankings. I'm sorry it doesnt work
A very convenient excuse negated by the fact Aubameyang also outscores him in European competition.
In YOUR opinion mate. Yours.
er what? The European golden shoe winner of 2016/2017 was Messi and the top 3 were Messi, Aubameyang and Bas Dost.
spot on
I don't think anyone will downplay the work Poch did at Spurs and how he has improved almost everyone. Now the hard part is done, he has players who are among the best in PL in almost every position.
Completely impossible to debate with someone so deluded. IF Costa didn't have a breakdown he would have kept pace with Kane? LOL, nonsense like that is why what you write is so demented. In 9 seasons as a striker in La Liga and the PL he has had only 1 season where he hit 27 goals in 34 games. Kane has had 3 of those seasons in his first 3 full seasons in the PL. SO you understand what that means, Kane is head and shoulders above Costa as a striker and goalscorer.Yet another Kane fan boy
First Icardi was on a list I put up that had players a) as good or b) better than Kane. You have assumed all on your own I counted Icardi > Kane. But Im certain he is seen in Europe as just as good. That is why Real is eying him just as much as Kane for their lead striker role.
Second, you are pretty delusional if you believe in the seasons in which Diego Costa produced his best, that bagged his teams league trophies, and continental honor Kane was even considered as good.
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Bullshit. If Costa hadnt spent the second half of the season sulking he would have kept pace with he likes of Kane in the race for league top scorer. After all in spite of a major mid season sulk he finished just 9 goals behind
Puerile thinking again. I judge strikers in the impact and weight of their goal scoring. Same way UEFA does in their golden shoe rankings. I'm sorry it doesnt work
your "Kane is best' frame work. But its
certainly not nonsense. Me putting Kane above a Costa just because he scores more, i s up there with claiming at world cup 94 Oleg Sakenko > Romario Faria just because he too scored. Yet Romario spread his goals through out the tournament, leading his
team to the final and to glory, whilst Salenko plundered most of his in a dead rubber vs a hapless Cameroon.
A very convenient excuse negated by the fact Aubameyang also outscores him in European competition.
In YOUR opinion mate. Yours.
er what? The European golden shoe winner of 2016/2017 was Messi and the top 3 were Messi, Aubameyang and Bas Dost.
This season the top 3 the 15th of this month were Immobile, Kane and Cavani with Messi down in 6th but just 3 goals behind and unlikely to stat there post winter break.
I find it uber convenient that Kane fans like to look at goal scoring from Jan to December
. As if any season runs like hat and as if Kane doesn't have the advantage of no winter break.
Now Im down floodimg this thread with Kane. Back to Pochetino....
I agree, he does have to take that step over the line to win stuff to prove himself as the real deal so to speak. We can make the argument that he is competing against other sides who have far bigger squads and spend more money. You can't just ignore net spend and the like. Chelsea won the league last season because they had no european competition. Spurs were fighting on four fronts. That same reason also affected City, United, Liverpool and Arsenal. This season City who already had the best squad in the league, spent hundreds of millions more, and now are walking the league and doing great in the CL. That is what having unlimited funds does to you. How can Spurs compete with that? It's very difficult.
Sorry I must have missed this notification. I can't really speak for anyone else but I am for the most part. City have had a great season up till January. We've spent money for decades.
I think this is more of a myth more than anything (with the exception when he played a weakened team in the EL against Dortmund when we were chasing Leicester). He does field strong teams, sometimes resting one or two players like anyone else, but that's about it.
You’re doing your club down here mate - Pocchettino might not have had infinite resources, but he inherited Lloris, Walker, Rose, Dembele, Kane, Eriksen, Vertonghen, and has been allowed to recruit top talent like Alderweireld and Wanyama; I know he has improved them to an extent, but that’s overstated as they were all naturally approaching their peak anyway.
You clearly are a WUM. At what point did I say Costa had a break down? Not only do you have a weird fanboish obsession with Kane you have now added the stupid behaviour of inventing arguments for people.
The only clearly demented individual is you, pal. You are the one attacking arguments and logic you invented all on your own.
In YOUR opinion. 3 times Costa's goal scoring has led his team either to a league title, plus continental glory and a champions league final. Even more striking is the fact in a more financially weaker, more defensive team than Spurs, he was still able to hit at least 20 league goals in a season whilst at ATM. I don't give a flying fig what statistics yo try to argue with. Kane isn't a better player than an inform Diego Costa. Not yet.
Sure like he never ever has goal droughts. Oh wait, he never scores in the first months of the season....
And in all those seasons Costa goals had a bigger impact on his teams fortunes. You can repeat that line of argument forever. It wont change shit.
Pretty much. Because the notion I ever claimed Costa had a break down is exactly unadulterated nonsense, that has no evidence in any version of history nor any basis in reality, pulled from the depth of your unhinged mind.
That is because Kane is : 1) Younger 2) English 3) Already a premier league super star and would need no settling in time whatsoever. That does not in any shape or form count as proof Kane > Aubameyang. Unless of course you are engaging the imbecilic knowledge of fanboism
Aubameyang since 2013/2014 has out assisted Kane. No to mention he first rose to prominence as a right sided attacker before he was moved centrally by Dortmund. But supposedly "he is just a poacher" . Im done wasting time with your nonesenseI agree and disagree.....and that’s why while I feel while he’s done the first stage of the project in a manner that they maybe couldn’t have, because he’s a committed developer of talent, they can now do what he can’t in terms of turning potential in success.
I guess time will tell, I just know finding a manager that fits the club is incredibly difficult. What was wrong with the book? I have read it and TBH there is nothing in it most people didn't know.
I think you are taking my breakdown comment a little too literally. He had a falling out with Conte and a BREAKDOWN in relationship. I didn't mean he literally had a breakdown. FACEPALM.You clearly are a WUM. At what point did I say Costa had a break down? Not only do you have a weird fanboish obsession with Kane you have now added the stupid behaviour of inventing arguments for people.
Heaven knows how going on strike and sulking = having a break down
The only clearly demented individual is you, pal. You are the one attacking arguments and logic you invented all on your own.
In YOUR opinion. 3 times Costa's goal scoring has led his team either to a league title and continental glory. Even more striking is the fact in a more financially weaker, more defensive team than Spurs, he was still able to hit at least 20 league goals in a season whilst at ATM. I don't give a flying fig what statistics yo try to argue with. Kane isn't a better player than an inform Diego Costa. Not yet.
Sure like he never ever has goal droughts. Oh wait, he never scores in the first months of the season....
And in all those seasons Costa goals had a bigger impact on his teams fortunes. You can repeat that line of argument forever. It wont change shit.
Pretty much. Because the notion I ever claimed Costa had a break down is exactly unadulterated nonsense, that has no evidence in any version of history nor any basis in reality, pulled from the depth of your unhinged mind.
That is because Kane is : 1) Younger 2) English 3) Already a premier league super star and would need no settling in time whatsoever. That does not in any shape or form count as proof Kane > Aubameyang. Unless of course you are engaging the imbecilic knowledge of fanboism
and someone going “aHahahahHahHahaha” all rational argument has long gone.
Except you just made that up. I couldn't care less about who is better but that is just terrible.
He went for Lukaku because Kane wasn't available. We all know that. We needed several players and couldn't splash the whole transfer budget on a player not likely to join us anyways. I'm happy with Lukaku honestly, he's not as good as Kane but he'll be great for us, especially when we get a few more players in. Sanchez one of them.Kane scored more club goals in calendar year 2017 than any other top-league player on the planet, including Messi and Ronaldo. And yet this thread is filled with dumb posts from @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber listing any number of strikers/forwards who are supposedly better than Kane
And all in vain attempts to explain why Mourinho went for Lukaku instead of Kane and avoid the real reason, namely that Kane simply wasn't for sale.
Youngsters can be highly rated but them having that potential and then fulfilling it are two different things. There's a reason some coaches are renowned for having the capabilities to help that process(see Sir Alex) and some don't(see jose)
The reason Sir Alex is renowned for it is he won titles. Poch hasn't done that and that's okay when you look at the entirety of the circumstances, but until he does win something there will justifiably be concerns over how great he is no matter how good he is at nurturing young talent.
This in particular doesn't make any sense. Are you suggesting the difference between Pochettino and the managers mentioned lie in parking the bus?
It's ridiculous, especially at a time when the game is going through somewhat of a tactical revolution. Conte before Juve had won nothing, Pep before Barca had won nothing, Zidane before Madrid had won nothing, Allegri before Milan had won nothing, these are some of the highest rated coaches in world football who are now considered serial winners. It's the sort of thinking that ends up with clubs like us hiring the likes of Van Gaal. You can see with the league campaigns that some coaches put together that they are quality also with the style of the sides and ability to execute such tactics. Why some can't see how good a coach would need to be to turn Spurs into a consistent top 4 side instead of him winning a pointless cup like a league cup is quite shocking.
Allegri didn’t have world class players at Cagliari, nor Conte at Atalanta/Bari. Zizou and Pep had their first senior jobs at Real and Barca respectively.....what do they all have in common? When they did have good players, they won trophies. Pocchettino has great players, and hasn’t.
If you don't see the impact on not fishing in the top four, you don't quite understand the financial impact it has. As a United fan, its not really something you have to worry about and probably why you don't quite get the situation lower tier clubs are in.
Absolutely. There’s no shame in neutralising the strengths of the opposition: the capacity to win ugly is what sets the winner apart from the loveable losers like Wenger and Keegan. Pocchettino needs to evolve if he’s going to avoid staying in that category.
That's how we beat Madrid and Dortmund, I am afraid the main thing that sets winners apart in the long run is money, and lots of it.
I certainly do, and the current league position suggests missing out is a real possibility next season; that’s why Pocchettino’s dodgy record in 6 pointers against rivals for the top 4 should be scrutinised accordingly.
Glaston is like Poch, doing such a great job at everything that lets just let them continue living in their bubble. Born winners, who are yet to win anything or do anything of note, but born to win nontheless.
That is absolute nonsense.
