Spurs have 4th place trophies, amazing training facilities, and a leaky new stadium where underpaid players forget their misery and run around waving their flags and empty pockets.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
So what is that percentage of players who came in for just a last pay day in comparison to the likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Fred etc? You made it seem as if the general consensus entails that the majority of players view United as a last cheque which obviously is not correct at all. The several others are the majority? And which time line have you applied? You mentioned Schweinsteiger, but didnt mention Rojo, Depay, Herrera, Blind who didnt view it as a cash grab,now did they?
Remember you mentioned the words ‘to many players’.... within a majority...
We've seen it many times both players and managers alike....nobody knows how they are gonna cope until they arrive here as whatever they think they know about the size of the club, it wont be big enough.
I agree with the arrogance part.
l think he will stay . He's been offered the Real job already and didn't take it
He has a love for Spurs that money can't buy even with all its complications .
Man Utd could be seen as a step down with the mess its in.
He has a love for Spurs that money can't buy even with all its complications .
Man Utd could be seen as a step down with the mess its in.
I'm with him TBH, we made it sounds like he's begging to come here and the only thing stopping him is Levy.
It's kinda disrespectful
It's all relative and I'm sure those teams where Spurs have previously signed their players or their managers felt exactly the same.
Unless you, have had a private chat, with Danial Levy, im guessing its just wishful thinking on your part
Clearly building something at Spurs, and would be best to see that through. If he does well at Spurs, and continues to flourish there, the Utd job will be available again in the next few years anyhow
He was right to turn down Madrid as the timing was godawful when they came calling.
This, however, is the perfect time to come to united. He literally can’t come at a better time...the only way is up. If he turns it down it will confirm either his commitment to spurs or his lack of ambition, whichever way you look at it
Yeah, it would be fecking boring if we had a bunch of yes men as oppo fan posters.
I happen to like hearing conflicting opinions to my own as well, it’s what make the cafe worth posting on and reading.
Why as a Man Utd fan do you care about what Spurs are building.. this “Poch can have the job in a couple of years” is nonsense, give him the job now so in a couple of years we can be the dogs bollocks rather than getting in another manager to fail and then bring in Poch.. makes no sense.
Why cant a Manchester United fan have an objective decision? This is a thread discussing all things Poch related.
It's not arrogance to think that Pochettino will prefer to stay at Spurs. Nor do I claim that Spurs are best team in the land.
I simply make the case that Spurs, far from being some minnow club that United can poach from at will, have a long-term strategy to establish ourselves as one of the elite European clubs. Whether we succeed in this plan remains to be seen, but so far things are unfolding well and there are many strong reasons why Pochettino will want to stick with it.
Some posters have claimed in this thread that Spurs have reached their ceiling, but I see this as little more than wishful thinking. There is huge remaining potential at Spurs. The new stadium might well be the key - financially, and in terms of both atmosphere and prestige - that unlocks the next stage towards realising this potential.
Pochettino is keenly aware of all this and has spoken many times about it ... about wanting to stay for 10 - 15 years, about wanting to establish a dynasty. I think that United will fail to lure him away and would be better off not wasting their time on it.
The more I read your posts which are quite interesting the more chance contrary too a lot of opinions on here, I think he may stay at Spurs mate.
If he was definitely staying we'd know by now though, so he's at least thinking about it.
Allowing the press circus to continue for 6 months only to stay at Spurs would be strange to say the least
It would be up to Pochettino. Managers aren't players, so all these instances cited are meaningless.
Maybe it is a ploy by Levy leaving us think that we are definitely getting Poch, so that we get complacent in search for a permanent manager confidently thinking we are getting Spurs thus putting a rivals plans in slight disarray.
Think it certainly depends on how the season pans out, if they keep up in the title race but narrowly miss out while Utd are 20-25 behind first and Levy offers a reasonable warchest in the summer then he'd be very likely to stay IMO.
If he gets no money in the summer or Eriksen/Alder end up leaving.. then I think he'd certainly consider coming to Utd as I think the next couple of seasons are very make/break for Spurs. If they don't invest they will either lose their best players or fall further behind.
Done a brilliant job at Spurs though.
If he gets no money in the summer or Eriksen/Alder end up leaving.. then I think he'd certainly consider coming to Utd as I think the next couple of seasons are very make/break for Spurs. If they don't invest they will either lose their best players or fall further behind.
Done a brilliant job at Spurs though.
Why would you settle at that assumption?
Pochettino has at least one transfer window coming up, and dismissing Utd would be akin to discarding a large amount of pressure he can put on DL to "keep him happy".
Because it’s hugely destabilizing for his club. If he needs something like this to put pressure on Levy then it’s even more reason to consider the offer.
It's obviously not destabilising. He's said several times in the last few weeks that he is happy and committed (mostly ignored by the media), but only a fool would completely close the door on a job that hasn't been offered.
He doesn't "need" anything to put pressure on DL, the same way (metaphorically) that a married man doesn't need a young girl to flirt with him to put pressure on his wife, but psychology tends to lean itself towards a little jealousy and insecurity being good for any relationship - professional or otherwise.
There's a risk that an extremely important component of your project is going to leave, and he could end that speculation in a minute but until now hasn't. Instead offering the same non-answers he did before he left Southampton. I disagree this is "obviously not destabilising", but fair enough if you think that and you'd know better than me.
I take your point about DL, I hadn't thought of that angle and it could be the case. If that is what he's doing then he should definitely commit after the window closes, if not before, to let any new signings know he won't jump ship.
I'm not one of these claiming he will definitely leave Spurs, I'd put it at 50/50 but the bookies are less sure, and 2/1 is probably closer to the real chance. I'd be interested to see how he does over the next few years if he sticks around.
Not half as arrogant as Spurs fans thinking he WON'T leave because Spurs are...er...a bigger club than Manchester United.Good grief the unwarranted arrogance ...
(I've actually seen a good 20 or 30 spurs fans say that and say it with absolutely dead seriousness).
I recall spurs wanted De ligt and De jong, if he is to join us then we might get a chance of having them both (if they are still available) or have similar young exiting players rather than targets like willian, Perisic matic etc. He will also give debuts to the like of chong, greenwich quiet soon
You could make a case for him staying with Spurs or moving to us, there are reasons why both might appeal to him. Maybe he isn't sure himself what he wants to do.
I feel like we get this hot take every season. At this point it belongs in the same bin as the one season wonder tag Kane got. They are of course better with Kane, he is a world class striker. But Spurs rarely struggle when he isn’t playing. It’s not like they go from a top 4 team to a midtable team without Kane. Other players step up when Kane isn’t playing.
I’m honestly much more interested in seeing what Pochettino will do if they lose Eriksen in the summer and Pochettino stays with Tottenham. They will need another 8/10 hybrid player and those players are very rare to find, especially with Spurs limited transfer budget. They will have a huge task to find a replacement, because i doubt Eriksen goes for much because of the type of person he is and him only having 1 year left. I think they will drop out of the top 4 next season if Eriksen leaves in the summer.
Eriksen leaving or not will definitely have an influence on what Poch chooses to do. Could tip it one way or another.
And don't forget the player lodge...
About 80% of those saying if wewant him we just have to snap our fingers are doing it to wind him up though. Few actually believe it I’d say.
Ultimately it will be up to a tribunal. Levy will not be able to do shit except sit there and suck it up if Poch decided to leave.
Said it before, it's only arrogance when another team makes statements about the Spurs manager and players but not so when Spurs are destabilising other clubs when they are doing the same. It's the hypocrisy of football in general tbh.
Reading the threads here it's as if he's a given to come here next season..
This could end up with a massive muppet suicide.
As for me. I dont hold my breath. He's a Tottenham manager until he signs the dotted line.
There are only two factors that I think will appeal to him. The most important is he will receive backing and the type of players he would want to bring to Spurs now such as De Ligt, De Jong, Sancho are out of their budget but well within the realm at United. The second is obviously size of the club which incorporates the history and prestige of managing Manchester United.
But I do not think the second is actually that important to him right now. Because if forget the history and prestige for one moment, why would he want to walk away from the squad he has already built to a very good level, and can go on even further? He's got Kane who he has nurtured into a top striker and at age 25 is locked down pretty much for many years. He's got Alli who is still just 22 and done a lot in the game. Other players like Son, Eriksen, Lucas Moura and Lamela are entering their prime years. Usually it's players who jump ship but aside from Eriksen and Alderweireld the rest are all on lengthy contracts. When you think of it that way why would you walk away.
The second will become important if something changes i.e. Levy will not be able to back him and/or they have to sell a key player to cover stadium costs.
But I do not think the second is actually that important to him right now. Because if forget the history and prestige for one moment, why would he want to walk away from the squad he has already built to a very good level, and can go on even further? He's got Kane who he has nurtured into a top striker and at age 25 is locked down pretty much for many years. He's got Alli who is still just 22 and done a lot in the game. Other players like Son, Eriksen, Lucas Moura and Lamela are entering their prime years. Usually it's players who jump ship but aside from Eriksen and Alderweireld the rest are all on lengthy contracts. When you think of it that way why would you walk away.
The second will become important if something changes i.e. Levy will not be able to back him and/or they have to sell a key player to cover stadium costs.
If I was him I’d stay tbh, a managers career can be very very long...so why rush!?
He has put so much effort into Spurs and with the new stadium around the corner surely he’d love to finish his job seeing his team play in a new home with a trophey in the cabinet.
Only way he goes is if Levy sells a few of his big players.
Moving to United is obviously very tempting but after a season he could find himself out of a job like the previous 3.
He has put so much effort into Spurs and with the new stadium around the corner surely he’d love to finish his job seeing his team play in a new home with a trophey in the cabinet.
Only way he goes is if Levy sells a few of his big players.
Moving to United is obviously very tempting but after a season he could find himself out of a job like the previous 3.
I have to say on this, if he wants to stay a spurs, a clever person would use this as leverage to actually get some transfer money commitments.
Many United fans aren't sufficiently aware of the closeness of Pochettino's working relationship with Levy and how much this means to him (Pochettino). He feels hugely appreciated at Spurs - on an emotional level this is very important to him - and understands about the stadium-related financial constraints.
This is what he said 7 months before signing a new contract:
"It's true that sometimes I don't want to be so kind with Daniel because Daniel knows more than me that sometimes we have differences, but I am in love with him. Because he is the type of person who gave me one day, three and a half years ago, the possibility to be here. To be able to write some history for this amazing club, to start to discover a different style of club, a different kind of project. To be here to me is more than a pleasure. I am so happy and my family and that is why I am so proud ... Of course my commitment with the club and Daniel is complete and of course then that depends more on them than me, to be here for 20 years (my emphasis). But of course I think Tottenham is a big club with massive potential. After three-and-a-half years we are always growing and growing."
If the relationship broke down then things might be different, but the relation is solid, Here's what he said 2 weeks ago in relation to the stadium delay:
"The chairman is suffering a lot. He is so tired about work. The last few months he didn't sleep because he is trying to deliver the stadium. I think people don't realise the magnitude of the project and how difficult it is to manage. Everyone is disappointed because we are still not playing there but the day we move everyone is going to realise how massive the project was and how good the facilities are. It doesn't just depend on him. When you build something, you depend on many companies. He is working so hard, too hard, to leave a legacy for ever (my emphasis). And I think that's fantastic."
Or if he felt that Spurs can't go further, then again he might leave. But he has spoken in near future terms about Spurs winning the league title. And we are about to move into one of the best stadiums in world football.
In short, Pochettino is a believer in the Spurs project. He ain't give it up this summer just because United come calling.
This is what he said 7 months before signing a new contract:
"It's true that sometimes I don't want to be so kind with Daniel because Daniel knows more than me that sometimes we have differences, but I am in love with him. Because he is the type of person who gave me one day, three and a half years ago, the possibility to be here. To be able to write some history for this amazing club, to start to discover a different style of club, a different kind of project. To be here to me is more than a pleasure. I am so happy and my family and that is why I am so proud ... Of course my commitment with the club and Daniel is complete and of course then that depends more on them than me, to be here for 20 years (my emphasis). But of course I think Tottenham is a big club with massive potential. After three-and-a-half years we are always growing and growing."
If the relationship broke down then things might be different, but the relation is solid, Here's what he said 2 weeks ago in relation to the stadium delay:
"The chairman is suffering a lot. He is so tired about work. The last few months he didn't sleep because he is trying to deliver the stadium. I think people don't realise the magnitude of the project and how difficult it is to manage. Everyone is disappointed because we are still not playing there but the day we move everyone is going to realise how massive the project was and how good the facilities are. It doesn't just depend on him. When you build something, you depend on many companies. He is working so hard, too hard, to leave a legacy for ever (my emphasis). And I think that's fantastic."
Or if he felt that Spurs can't go further, then again he might leave. But he has spoken in near future terms about Spurs winning the league title. And we are about to move into one of the best stadiums in world football.
In short, Pochettino is a believer in the Spurs project. He ain't give it up this summer just because United come calling.
Wake up in the morning state your opinion, state it again with more feeling, go to bed reset your opinion, wake up in the morning and state your opinion again. In the mean time nothing is any further forward, rinse and repeat.
We're all like that mate.
It's the point of a forum anyway.If Levy can guarantee him some investment, then Spurs aren't far off being one of the best sides in Europe and by extension competing for the top trophies.
But ultimately it's Man Utd, and Tottenham are Tottenham. One of them absolutely dwarves the other. I think he's already made his mind up and will be at Old Trafford come August.
But ultimately it's Man Utd, and Tottenham are Tottenham. One of them absolutely dwarves the other. I think he's already made his mind up and will be at Old Trafford come August.