You or I could own the club and shop for the best players in the world. We are the most profitable club on the planet. We don’t need to be owned by ghouls.
We don’t need money in. We need to be well run. That’s it.
ACTUAL POLL thread - how do you feel about potential Qatari ownership?
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We don’t need money in. We need to be well run. That’s it.
Although that might be true for players, the money needed for stadium renovation/rebuild is a whole different question
This will have no impact on Sheikh Jassim's bid as he doesn't appear on the Global Human Rights Sanctions Regulations 2020 list. And for those who believe this to be a state bid, nor does anyone from the Qatari ruling family.
Note that City and Newcastle also voted for these new regulations as neither does anyone connected to their ownership appear on the list. The list of those affected is publicly available - there are actually some Saudi officials on the list for their connection to the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, AFAIK this is the closest link to any PL owner.
Abramovich meanwhile was forced to sell Chelsea due to his connection to Putin and govt economic sanctions
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Yeah hopefully IF the sale goes through we are given enough time in order to have a proper summer transfer window
We already long past this point. The club is heavily in debts and need major investment in the squad and infrastructure. Unless you or me have 10B to burn, otherwise we pray for the best owner for the club.
It's a moral position. You're the one labelling your own position as morally inferior, which is rather telling.
Realising they’re probably in the minority here, it would interesting to hear the views from the genuine match-going supporters who more likely would be most affected by any future changes.
I think it’s a very similar split to what you’d see in the poll. Normally I’d expect a bit of a difference in opinion between match going fans and not, but I don’t think there is with this issue. It’s very much a more personal choice and I would assume most would be happy to get rid of the Glazers at all costs.
The last bit is what I have an issue with. Yes, I want the Glazers Out. However, "at all costs" is a very worrying attitude.
The situation at Chelsea perhaps sums up why we need to be careful and welcoming the first person into the club with open arms.
So, who are those type of owners willing to buy United? The bottom line is that the club need huge investment. Stadium falling apart, training ground in tatters.....squad still needs cash injection in the summer just to make CL next season.....
Our mantra has always been simple. To rid ourselves of the virus that has been killing our club and 18 years of decay... A FULL SALE ONLY is the acceptable outcome. Nothing less. It is not just the club that is broken. 18 years of Glazer ownership has broken our fanbase. This was by Glazer design and we intend to unite and heal it. The Glazers are not just betraying the club we love. To us they are betraying the memories of past generations who instilled United into us. Those we think about every time we watch United play. Lets not forget what we are dealing with here... A horrible family with questionable morals and ethics. A family who sued members of their own family for business assets in a family will. A family who only care about money and greed. A family people working at the club can’t stand. A family who betrayed the national game and tried taking us into a European Super League. A family despised by a global fanbase. That takes some doing.
As a United fan, I'll take a debt free owner prepared to rebuild infrastructure at all levels rather than one like the ones we're hopefully getting rid of.
Incredible that we're in the latter rounds for another two trophies having already won one and you're worrying about needing mega money so as not to have "another wasted season". I'll be at OT for the Sevilla game and I'll be more than happy to watch the likes of Sabitzer and Weghorst contribute in some capacity.
Also, it's not about moral superiority. Some people have a different set of morals to you. Get over it.
Honestly think we need these money men. We need the stadium refrbished as well as training facilities. Glazers wont put money back into club so we will just sink further into debt. We need a complete takeover.
How about the club infrastructure and debts? The squad also need investment to compete with City. We are talking about billions here.
I respect your moral stand and there are tons of other who have different stand. No issues for me here. As I said, what's best for the club in term of football is most important.
Did I or you put words into my mouth?
I want a Qatari takeover because economically it’s what’s best for the club. It will allow to clear the debt, improve the stadium and facilities, have a considerable war chest for transfers, allow sponsorship deals such as the ones PSG and City got with ME sponsors (I know sponsors are companies owned by the same owners, but if it brings money to improve the clb, I’m in). Also looking at PSG it’s way better run than Ineos owned nice. That being said, anything is better than the Glazers, I hope Jassim wins the bid, but Ineos is certainly better than current owners.
Annoying the liberal lefties is just an added bonus.
There’s a tendency of some posters taking a moral high ground when replying to us who are pro Qatar, as if they were morally superior and us were totally wrong. It’s annoying, it even reminds me of UEFAlona and they hypocrite “mes que un club” and “valors” BS.
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That newbie system used to be great.
Anyone that says things like "annoying liberal lefties" gets zero sympathy from me.
People like you can‘t stand being called out for your hypocrisy. I‘d like to see you make a statement about how you feel about anti LGTBQ+ laws in Qatar, repressive laws targeting women and human rights abuses.
BTW these are not liberal concerns but clearly in the center of the political spectrum. A great majority of people support these rights, which you thus hardly can call liberal.
Although Sheik Jassim is not ‚Qatar‘, it is hard to see him as someone who respects our values.
You just want to take the money and not worry about morals. I understand, and I am calling you out for it.
The longer this goes on, the more I’ve realised the most impactful posts to show the dangers of the Qatari ownership are from the Qatari cheerleaders.
Liberal Tears FFS.
‘annoying the liberal lefties is just an added bonus’ deserves to be a meme
Is the training ground really in tatters though?
I miss those days.
That’s exactly what I want! The money! Never hided it, how am I a hypocrite?
Morals? I’m not mother Theresa. I just want this club to have an owner who competes with City’s in terms of wealth.
Let me ask a question: Have you actually cared about HR in the ME before Qatar was interested in United? Or you suddenly become a moralist when Sheikh Jassim showed interest?
Sorry for daring to have a diferent opinion. Sorry for not being a liberal like apparently people are unanimously. Apparently for you, everyone’s has to think the same way.
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Yes I have been concerned about human rights my whole life. I follow the news.
The way Qatar got the World Cup (through bribes) and consequently how they treated foreign labourers ( and still do) is how they got on my radar.
The Saudis have supported terrorism against the US while doing business with us. Chopping up Jamal Kashogi.
You hardly have to be liberal to care about these things. You just prefer to be an Ostrich.
Be an Ostrich. But don‘t get upset if people point out stuff that is beyond the pale.
I‘m not asking for much. Don‘t discriminate, mistreat women, throw gay people in prison and don‘t take your worker‘s passports so they can‘t leave, or work them to death.
The Qatari aren‘t capable of that. Nothing has changed.
I think their values don‘t match ours, and we should not invite them in our lives. The same way I will not welcome a Putin ally.
There are other ways we can get what we want, would that not be preferable?
Yanks eh.
Even if someone hadn’t, don’t you think it makes sense for someone to become more concerned when their club is going to be a vehicle to mask said abuses?
What does liberalism have anything to do with it?
I am liberal and I support a Qatari takeover.
imagine making such a statement unironically!Embarassing on so many levels.
Which values are these? The same ones that lead to you being warned and temp banned in this thread for using descriminatory language? I certainly dont respect the values of that kind of person
Not surprising to see someone with proven prejudices come out with such stereotypes either.
You don't know anything about Sheikh Jassim's values or views. Like you said, he's not the state of Qatar.
The guy literally described Arabs as goatfeckers and not only is he back here with no shame or remorse, but people are still wasting their time on him. Bizarre really.
My points are valid and good except for using one unfortunate term, which I regret.
I‘m just not going to look the other way because someone gives us lots of money.
This issue is never going to go away if Qatar buys us, you can forget that. There always will be controversy surrounding our club. Why the heck would you want that?
Wow....just wow. And he was preaching about taking moral stand. Unbelievable.
Not read this thread for a while. Still an embarrassing shitshow.
From what I gather, the latest argument for whoring ourselves out to the Qatari state is that they are the only ones capable of building a new stadium. Why is this the case?
How many clubs have had stadiums built and paid for in cash? How much have PSG and City's owners spent on their stadiums?
From what I gather, the latest argument for whoring ourselves out to the Qatari state is that they are the only ones capable of building a new stadium. Why is this the case?
How many clubs have had stadiums built and paid for in cash? How much have PSG and City's owners spent on their stadiums?
Spot on.
Why do some people who have never been to the stadium seem so stressed by the stadium?
Seeing the price tags beind brandished, the desperate needs we have in the squad and the state of our facilities and the expenses associated with upgrading them, we need to get this sorted sooner rather than later.
You regret it because it shows your true colours as a xenophobe - no one should waste time discussing moral issues with someone with such clear prejudices
The vast majority of matchgoers think the stadium is in dire need of investment - don't you?!
it's the biggest issue for the club on a financial level and one of the main reasons that the Glazers have been forced to put the club up for sale
It'll have to be upgraded eventually. It's not exactly going to get cheaper to do.
The training facilities require a much-needed investment to upgrade and revamp. We then need to build a new training ground