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Why do our own fans parrot the garbage the media spouts? Mitrovic and Bruno incidents aren't remotely the same thing, defend your players, don't pile onto media bullshit.
There are some proper wombles on here who apply Gary Neville's logic of being an unbiased fan, that's why they do it.Why do our own fans parrot the garbage the media spouts? Mitrovic and Bruno incidents aren't remotely the same thing, defend your players, don't pile onto media bullshit.
Exactly, the reaction was the really ugly part. They need to come down strongly on that.It wasn't so much the push. That was a red card but if he'd just accepted that he would have got the basic 3 game ban and it would have been the end of it. It was the way he aggressively went after the ref afterwards in a way that did look like he was on the verge of physically assaulting him that can't be accepted. That is what is going to see him get a more significant ban.
https://www.friendsoffulham.com/for...012ed4e5e4aaa5130031e5eac9ad75c&topic=89788.0
Seems their fans are taking it quite well
Well if Willian clearly indicated that it was ball to hand that's me sold! We should probably do the right thing and offer them a replay.A penalty yes but Willian couldn't help the handball and was saying as much. He clearly indicates that it was ball to hand.
I'd probably put them as follows:I think what the adults are trying to do is indicate that there are nuances to every situation. None of them are comparable to each other. Those arguing that the Bruno and the linesman one is the same thing are clutching at straws and really just making themselves look stupid.
I agree with that but that's the point isn't it. No two incidences of something are ever 'exactly' the same. This "Bruno did it the other week" argument topped with a side serving of "all the big clubs, especially United, get the decisions all the time" is facile in the extreme.I'd probably put them as follows:
Fabinho: Nothing in it.
Fernandes: Doesn't look good but not as bad as Mitrovic.
Mitrovic: Stepped over the line and should be given a longer ban so that players understand they can't do that. Maybe 6 games?
Fernandes kind of lightly pushes the linesman out of his way whereas Mitrovic is full on in the referee's face. That's where the difference is. I do think there's more in common between the Fernandes and Mitrovic incidents though, than there is between Fabinho and Fernandes.
that was pretty funny, in fairness.God they’re gonna be an insufferable lot should they become successful. I mean, they already are, but can you imagine?
It's Bruno's fault that Mitrovic got a red card after an obvious handballI agree with that but that's the point isn't it. No two incidences of something are ever 'exactly' the same. This "Bruno did it the other week" argument topped with a side serving of "all the big clubs, especially United, get the decisions all the time" is facile in the extreme.
The thing that really grinds my goat about it is that the thing that kicked it all off was probably the most obvious pen and red card of the season!
I didn't really see it at the game and I only saw it back on YouTube after a few drinks. I think they minimised how much was shown on United's YouTube channel. I will have another look this evening.Exactly, the reaction was the really ugly part. They need to come down strongly on that.
Checkout what they’ve said in the replies. Clutching.that was pretty funny, in fairness.
Linesman put their hand on Bruno first...bruno was very lucky not to get a yellow. it's downright stupid to think you can put your hand on an official and get away with it.
mitrovic's behaviour however, deserves at least a 6 game ban on top of the mandatory 3.
It's typical ABU nonsenseI genuinely can't believe some of the lengths being discussed over this. If they do it then breathing in the refs direction should be a yellow from that moment on. Giving him a (overly extreme example) 1 year ban isn't going to stop parents harassing refs that send off their spoilt kids.
And seeing comparison to Cantona and Di Canio are great.
Yeah I don't really understand Mitrovic's reaction either. It was a clear handball.I agree with that but that's the point isn't it. No two incidences of something are ever 'exactly' the same. This "Bruno did it the other week" argument topped with a side serving of "all the big clubs, especially United, get the decisions all the time" is facile in the extreme.
The thing that really grinds my goat about it is that the thing that kicked it all off was probably the most obvious pen and red card of the season!
it doesn't make it right though. bruno shouldn't have put his hand on the ref, no player should, under any circumstances. you don't want to introduce a scenario where you can touch an official in one context but not in another; that just creates a mess for everyone.Linesman put their hand on Bruno first...
You can't be telling players they cannot touch referees for any reason and then have the refs touching the players.
So what punishment should the linesman have had?it doesn't make it right though. bruno shouldn't have put his hand on the ref, no player should, under any circumstances. you don't want to introduce a scenario where you can touch an official in one context but not in another; that just creates a mess for everyone.
So what punishment should the linesman have had?
Consider only recently fans have received lengthy bans or even criminal convictions for touching/attacking players. We were protecting them only last season.
So yellow for Bruno and demotion for 1 game for the linesman would have been fair?
so every player who touches an opposing player, or someone in the crowd, or anybody else in the stadium gets penalised in your book?So what punishment should the linesman have had?
Consider only recently fans have received lengthy bans or even criminal convictions for touching/attacking players. We were protecting them only last season.
So yellow for Bruno and demotion for 1 game for the linesman would have been fair?
Cause they will.Does this matter much? I mean the grassroot level refs are gonna get abuse and threats from crazy parents and others nevertheless. I don't think they will be deterred because a PL ref was protected by the FA.
There was an incident about 3 weeks ago where a player (my memory says he was wearing white!) was involved in a conversation with a ref during a stoppage in play. It was all very amicable and the player put his hand on the ref's shoulder just like you might do with your best mate. I wondered about it at the time but common sense prevailed and nothing happened. I think Bruno's action was something similar. Fabinho's was a nothing.it doesn't make it right though. bruno shouldn't have put his hand on the ref, no player should, under any circumstances. you don't want to introduce a scenario where you can touch an official in one context but not in another; that just creates a mess for everyone.
The game is still a contact sport so player on player contact is a given.so every player who touches an opposing player, or someone in the crowd, or anybody else in the stadium gets penalised in your book?
weird strawman you're building there buddy.
Maybe one day we do away with the on field referee entirely, for the avoidance of all doubtThere was an incident about 3 weeks ago where a player (my memory says he was wearing white!) was involved in a conversation with a ref during a stoppage in play. It was all very amicable and the player put his hand on the ref's shoulder just like you might do with your best mate. I wondered about it at the time but common sense prevailed and nothing happened. I think Bruno's action was something similar. Fabinho's was a nothing.
I agree that the safest approach is to avoid all contact - verbal and tactile - then you can't go wrong.
What does ABU mean? I've seen it used numerous times but never understood itABUs are just in despair that we're good again and about to get ME money to top it off. Just let them throw their tantrums.
Oh I totally agree, and I apologise I did not elaborate this on my initial post as I was short on time. What Mitrovic did was way worse than Bruno's petulance, but on another day we all know Bruno could have been shown a red. Mitro deserves a lengthy ban for his actions and I support calls for a 10 game ban. It is both deserved and sends the right message to combat a developing problem.Lineman pushed Bruno first. Not to defend him here but no one took it personality and FA did review this.
What Mitrovic did is way worse. He didnt just push ref, dude was 1 provoke away from body check him.
Fair play to Willian, he was handling it well out there.
Anyone But UnitedWhat does ABU mean? I've seen it used numerous times but never understood it
Too many plastics on here and online in general who follow the crowd. Not one brain cell or bollock between them.Why do our own fans parrot the garbage the media spouts? Mitrovic and Bruno incidents aren't remotely the same thing, defend your players, don't pile onto media bullshit.
Mitrovic got a little push by Shaw in the box earlier and they were really upset that they didn`t check that.They were sure it was.a pen. So when they ref went out to check Willians handball later on both Silva and Mitrovic lost it.Yeah I don't really understand Mitrovic's reaction either. It was a clear handball.
That Bruno is a real brute. The linesperson was in intensive care for weeks afterwards.Makes me happy to think how lucky we got when Bruno viciously mauled the linesman's face from his skull a few weeks back.
Good effort but it's going to be a lot more than three. See you in August, Mitro.I have been away with my national team and have had some time to reflect on the Manchester United match. As everyone knows, it was a very emotional one, in which the team gave absolutely everything on the pitch to try to reach the Semi-Final of the FA Cup.
On a personal level, I regret my actions that led to me being sent off. I allowed my frustration to get the better of me, and how I reacted was wrong. I was trying to get the referee’s attention, but I appreciate that I should not have put my hands on him and I understand why he showed me a red card, my first in-game sending off for Fulham and my first since the 2015/16 season.
I have accepted the three-match ban for my red card, I have spoken to Chris Kavanagh to apologise, and I have volunteered to accept a Club fine. I now want to do what I can to put this incident behind me and get back to helping my teammates on the pitch as soon as possible.
In the meantime, I would like to reiterate my regret that this happened. I have already said sorry to my teammates, but I would also like to apologise to the Fulham fans, particularly those who travelled to Old Trafford to support us and who did not stop singing all game. I hope to be back soon and repay their faith and support.
What's taking so long with the punishment decision anyway ?Mitrović:
Good effort but it's going to be a lot more than three. See you in August, Mitro.
He doesn’t play for Utd that’s whyWhat's taking so long with the punishment decision anyway ?
If I understood correctly, he had until Monday to give his answer to the charges. And the FA are not in a hurry as he’s suspended for the next three matches anyway.What's taking so long with the punishment decision anyway ?