If they want to see entertaining football, they shouldn't think about him.
Allegri is leaving Juventus
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Silly quick question? Could he succeed at Utd in a two seasons margin?
Marotta is himself a suit
It's not surprising at all, 5 five is a very long time. And yes, the main reason seems to be Allegri and the club did agree that they needed a change. They just disagreed and what needed changing
He's going to be on their max, so on the level with Dybala, Pianic, Higuain...which sure, it's a lot. But again, not outside their wage structure. And Ramsey is very good, just very injury prone
We really should have kept Ole as caretaker and gone all in for this guy.
Look at the top teams, they have top managers. Liverpool have dramatically improved because of giving world class Klopp 4 years. City, dramatically improved because world class Peps had 3 years, both proven to build projects at clubs. Give Alllegri a 5 year contract and a large budget to improve United over a long term period.
It won’t happen though. Ole will be given a chance and let’s face it, there’s a good 90% chance he will fail and we’ll be back to square 1 and world class managers like Allegri won’t be available when we sack Ole.
Look at the top teams, they have top managers. Liverpool have dramatically improved because of giving world class Klopp 4 years. City, dramatically improved because world class Peps had 3 years, both proven to build projects at clubs. Give Alllegri a 5 year contract and a large budget to improve United over a long term period.
It won’t happen though. Ole will be given a chance and let’s face it, there’s a good 90% chance he will fail and we’ll be back to square 1 and world class managers like Allegri won’t be available when we sack Ole.
Agreed. If Ed had any balls he’d try to get Allegri now anyway.
Only hope is that we won't be back to square 1, since we would have shipped all the shit out of the door, and have young, hungry players rearing to get to the next level with a WC manager. hope.
What makes Allegri suited ? What type of football does he prefer to play ?
IF...and I use the word IF specifically...they actually had a proper league then it MIGHT be a more interesting competition, even though I completely agree with what you're saying.
But they wouldn't. They'd have a league stage, and then a knockout competition involving at least 8 teams, so that the teams near the bottom could keep their European season alive for as long as possible. They'd call it a European Super League, and then it would still end up the same way that the Champions League does now.
You cannot place that level of expectation on one competition, particularly a competition that is decided by a few matches. You cannot say “you had Ronaldo, and didn't win the Champions League, therefore you failed”. It's absolutely ridiculous.
The reason I would say that City are the best team in Europe is that they have played the best football consistently over a period of two years. If Spurs win the Champions League this season, does that mean they're better than City? Despite finishing 27 points behind them last season, and 23 points the previous season, having lost 5 out of 6 matches against City? If City had scored the penalty in the first-leg, they would have beaten them again.
By no reasonable measure are Spurs a better side than City. That's what I mean about the Champions League, it has become such an absurd focus of attention. City have been unbelievable over the last two season, look at their points total. This season they have barely played a bad match. They won all three domestic trophies, and only lost one match to top 6 PL opposition. Except one CL tie, in which they won the second-leg, and went out on away goals, having a goal narrowly disallowed in injury time by VAR.
And yet you say they crumble every time they meet someone decent!
Some evidence to support the theory of Allegri being too conservative.
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I said months and months and months ago he was up there for my main pick for the United job. The ultimate pragmatist, and I don’t mean in that he necessarily plays pragmatic (boring) football, he’s pragmatic in that he’s an expert in find what suits best getting the absolute maximum out of groups of players.
If we have him a heap of money I’d have no doubt he could get us playing “the United way”, but alas...
If we have him a heap of money I’d have no doubt he could get us playing “the United way”, but alas...
No idea about this journo and what Radio Sportiva is, but he's claiming "today was a decisive day" and that Pep will sign 4 year contract with Juve.Tweet
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Getting a bit of traction on Italian Twitter, but they love rumours so might mean nothing.
Doesn’t look credible.
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Well Juventuz are convinced, anyway
Maybe they plan on kidnapping him?
I have seen Juve play a few times this season. Must say I was surprised how defensive Allegri is. I knew he wasn't an all out attack style kind of manager but didn't know he was this cautious.
His strong point has always been how he can set up a tight defence but I would have thought now he had such firepower at the front he would slightly release the handbrake. So to see them being so cautious against some minnows was painful to see.
Earlier in the season I couldn't believe some Juve fans when they said they wouldn't mind if he left cos they had enough of his negative tactics. Having seen those few games I understood what they meant.
The problem for Allegri is most big clubs nowadays prefer a manager who is attack minded. He is very good manager but his tactics will make clubs at the top think twice before employing him, unless they are desperate of course.
His strong point has always been how he can set up a tight defence but I would have thought now he had such firepower at the front he would slightly release the handbrake. So to see them being so cautious against some minnows was painful to see.
Earlier in the season I couldn't believe some Juve fans when they said they wouldn't mind if he left cos they had enough of his negative tactics. Having seen those few games I understood what they meant.
The problem for Allegri is most big clubs nowadays prefer a manager who is attack minded. He is very good manager but his tactics will make clubs at the top think twice before employing him, unless they are desperate of course.
I’ll persist with this theory and most likely make a fool of myself, but I only have one ITK guy and it’s a Juve lad who correctly told me about Ronaldo, from today he’s 90% sure of Pep to Juve due to City’s CL ban. He also says Koulibaly will be target number 1 and Pogba will be lured there and perhaps offer could include Dybala. Let’s see if he’s right again...
That's always been the way with top Italian managers though. The strong defence has been the mainstay of teams like Juve, Milan, Inter, and Roma for decades, and nobody ever did it better. Allegri has a win percentage of 72%, which is better win ratio than the great Lippi. We can argue that Italian football ain't what it was, but Allegri has a pretty decent record.
I don't think there is much argument that Allegri is a good manager even if I feel we can't pay too much attention to his recent record in Serie A as he had huge advantages compared to his rivals.
What is up for debate is, is he now considered a defensive manager? In this current time the word defensive is a dirty word in footbal (wrongly in my opinion). There was a time when a club would employ a manager if his record was good, regardless of how he set up his team. Nowadays however more and more clubs want a manager who plays attacking, progressive football. It's near the top of priorities.
One reason could be that all the managers who prioritised defence over attack have failed to have any continuous success. It seems all the managers currently building successful teams (Pep, Klopp, Ten Hag, Poch etc.) are very attack minded.
The last defensive minded manager I had great hopes for and thought he would leave a legacy was Diego Simeone. But he never really kicked on despite spending large amounts of money. Maybe it is just not possible to build great sides when your main strengths are defences anymore.
Could be Pep next summer? City pretty much used Pellegrini as an interim manager, no reason Juventus wouldn't do the same to someone like Sarri
Anyone but Pep please. I'm worrried that if he leaves City Liverpool will just win title after title.
They can't, that team is going to need a new midfield soon and it's only a matter of time before Salah and Mane feck off somewhere. They might get one more go at it but you've got to feel that this was their chance again. Klopp also won't be around in two seasons time.Anyone but Pep please. I'm worrried that if he leaves City Liverpool will just win title after title.
They already bought a new midfield with Fabinho, Keita, and Wjnaldum.
I can't see where Salah and Mane would go that would be an upgrade on Liverpool atm either.
Pep's contract with City is till 2021 so 2 more years. A transitional manager at Juve who will transform them into more fitting to Guardiola's style team is what they should be looking for if they really want Pep as their coach. Today's Juve is far away from a team that is suitable to his methods and style.
Sarri or Pochettino, third choice Simone Inzaghi
Those three are not world class, Wjnaldum couldn't even get in the Newcastle team at one point. Milner and Henderson haven't got another season like this one in them.
There's not really any places Ronaldo could have gone in 2009 that would have been an upgrade on United but he still fecked off.
Pep could be player manager if he went back to Italy now and got back on the peptides.
Inspired by Kompany at Anderlecht.
Inspired by Kompany at Anderlecht.
So your mate is sure City will actually be banned?
He is quite convinced they’ll get two years ban, but it might as well be just wishful thinking.
Why would Sarri or Pochettino leave the EPL for Italy? Unless they are getting booted by their respective clubs I guess.
Why would their top players want to leave when everything is currently going so well for them?
Doesn't make any sense.
No, they're not.
What? He's outpeformed at Atletico.
Well it's not Madrid. Or Tottenham, or Juventus. Or Ajax.
You could say it's Liverpool, but the head to head record this season is 2-1 in favor of City.
Man City are NOT comfortably the best team in Europe, there's absolutely no evidence to support that statement.
The facts are: they exited at the quarterfinals stage, this year and the year before. Not sure how this makes them better than Barcelona, Juventus, Ajax, Liverpool etc.
Domestically, they won the league by 11 mm, their rivals had 1 defeat all season and are going to the CL final.
Yes, Man City are a very good team, but they have to actually win the fecking Big Ears to be crowned the best team in Europe. #winningwithoutwinning
Who's the best side in Europe?
In a league where the league winner is more or less a forgone conclusion before the season even starts, barring a spectacular collapse (and even that’s not enough as Bayern showed you can recover from basically an awful half season and win the league still), exactly what metric are these managers supposed to be judged by if not by the only competition where they aren’t already expected to win by default? How else do you properly assess their performance? That’s not to say Allegri has underperformed as two CL finals in the last 5 years is a decent return, but of course the CL is going to be a big factor in assessing managers in these leagues if the other competitions are so uncompetitive.
Edit: One of my Barcelona supporting friends summed this up pretty nicely when he was talking about why Valverde underperformed this season. In a season where Madrid collapsed, and Atletico fell away, having not actually been any serious competition for the league in many years, how are you supposed to look at a league title won more or less by default with the strongest team in the league, and say that this manager has done anything impressive, when he’s failed so spectacularly in the CL two years in a row.
It's an insanely volatile competition, and it's not the best measure of quality. Have Zidane and Luis Enrique and Ancelotti been the only successful managers in Europe over the past 5 years? And are all other achievements at Barcelona, Juventus, PSG, Bayern (and probably City according to some) worthless?
Not the only successful managers, but the most successful? I would say so. Doesn’t make the other achievements at these clubs worthless, but at the same time you can’t look at their performances and say that they’ve done anything outstanding. Note this is for the leagues where teams go into the season expecting to win the league by default, not in a league like say the PL. For example it’s ridiculous that people say Pep has failed considering he hasn’t won the CL, when you look at what he’s done in a league like ours, but the PL is the exception rather than the norm these days. In other leagues the CL is much more important as a metric of a managers performance in my opinion.
Sorry mate, but I don’t think you and I are going to get very far in this discussion. I remember your views quite clearly as it’s one of the most memorable things I’ve read on here, CL is the Fa cup with a nice song, whereas I view it as the pinnacle of club competition, and yes the best measure of quality, and far more valuable than a league title, so I don’t think we’re gonna accomplish much here if our starting points are so far apart
